Garda Donohues widow tells politicans incl shatter to stay away from their house

jam_mac_jam · 03-02-2013 08:38PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Did you not understand my post? Take you pick of the cuts. They've all contributed in some way.

This shooting is nothing to do with cuts and I find it a bit distasteful that a mans death is being used for a political point.

MagicSean · 03-02-2013 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That'll be a "no" then.

I'll take it you didn't understand my post then. Like i said, take your pick of the cuts. The long term effects of them have indeed resulted in the shooting.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

This shooting is nothing to do with cuts and I find it a bit distasteful that a mans death is being used for a political point.

The shooting is the inevitable result of allowing criminal gangs to thrive. And that has everything to do with cuts.

theoneeyedman · 03-02-2013 08:44PM

I'm not going to defend shatter for the cutbacks, and who Mrs Donohue invites to her home is her own business.
However IMO the guards and their reps need a kick in the hole. It's in very bad taste to be using the shooting of detective O Donoghue as an instrument of protest against the cutbacks is in bad taste. This was the tone of a lot of their media work all week and now the feeding of a story like this is disrespectful to the man that was killed. Ally this with the vindictive leaking of the Claire Daly story last week and you have a police force too close to the media imo. The guards are asking small time criminals to come forward with info on the shooting.....if u do there is a good chance you'll get your photo in the paper I'd say.

Death and Taxes · 03-02-2013 08:44PM

MagicSean wrote: »

It's not hard to understand. You cut resources and numbers you let criminality thrive. Criminals get greedy and brave. They get away with more and more. Suddenly what was once impossible (i.e. robbing a cash delivery guarded by armed Gardaí) is now not so impossible. What was once unheard of (i.e. executing a Garda) is now not so hard to contemplate. This isn't something that has happened overnight with the closure of Garda stations. This is something that has developed over a good few years. Lower Garda numbers, reduced overtime, less vehicles, wider policing areas. It all adds up to criminal paradise. You ignore the little stuff and the big stuff gets out of hand.

It's easy to say "smarter policing" is the way to go. How do you explain that to an 80 year old woman who has been attacked in her home and had to wait an hour for a Garda car?

With regard to the first part of your post Sean, how do you explain the fall in most catagories of crime in recent years? CSO stats (compiled using information provided by AGS and others) show most catagories of serious crime have recorded a drop)
With regard to the second part of your post nobody should have to wait an hour for a Garda in those circumstances.
I am not trying to minimize the effect of cuts but it does seem somewhat disingenous to link those cuts directly to this cowardly murder.

mikemac1 · 03-02-2013 08:47PM

Shatter lives in his own world

His house was burgled last March while he was out of the country.
Forensics guys straight down, a garda placed outside, detectives assigned and people were arrested and brought to two different garda stations.

I remember it was March as I got burgled one week later and couldn't get Ballyfermot garda station to return my followup phone calls!
I'm unsure if the gardaí even recorded my burglary, I never got a letter with a PULSE reference.
Yeah, yeah, your garda is back on duty next Monday and I've added a message for him to call you
............still waiting

I appreciate Minister of Justice is high profile and it has to be checked out as there may be important documents.

But he hasn't a clue what others deal with

Colonialboy · 03-02-2013 08:47PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't mean to be disrespectful here but what has the shooting got to do with the closure of garda stations?

The family have the right to have who ever they want at their house but I don't see the connection, maybe its just Sunday Indo bul****?

nothing .. its not connected , theres nothing connected to anything .
the world is a simple flat two dimensional sheet of paper .......course its f**ing connected

please diall 999 in case of emergency , a strategic core integrated post-colonial automated synergistic 4G streamlined rapid centralised responder will be in touch please hold the line ........

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 03-02-2013 08:49PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

This shooting is nothing to do with cuts and I find it a bit distasteful that a mans death is being used for a political point.

simple logic : closed cop shop = local ner do wells run riot , think they can get away with anything , and never get in trouble .

if - as younger tearaways they got pulled up by local policing they may have given up or changed tune .

instead they know they can do what the hell they want with no consequenses

simples .

dvpower · 03-02-2013 08:52PM

Colonialboy wrote: »

nothing .. its not connected , theres nothing connected to anything .
the world is a simple flat two dimensional sheet of paper .......course its f**ing connected

please diall 999 in case of emergency , a strategic core integrated post-colonial automated synergistic 4G streamlined rapid centralised responder will be in touch please hold the line ........

What possible connection could there be between the murder and the closure of Garda stations? Can you be specific?

jam_mac_jam · 03-02-2013 08:54PM

DaDumTish wrote: »

simple logic : closed cop shop = local ner do wells run riot , think they can get away with anything , and never get in trouble .

if - as younger tearaways they got pulled up by local policing they may have given up or changed tune .

instead they know they can do what the hell they want with no consequenses

simples .

oh right, so a garda station was closed in dundalk that had some bearing on this?

jam_mac_jam · 03-02-2013 08:55PM

Colonialboy wrote: »

nothing .. its not connected , theres nothing connected to anything .
the world is a simple flat two dimensional sheet of paper .......course its f**ing connected

please diall 999 in case of emergency , a strategic core integrated post-colonial automated synergistic 4G streamlined rapid centralised responder will be in touch please hold the line ........

oh I completely understand now, thanks for your clear explanation of the connection.

dvpower · 03-02-2013 08:56PM

DaDumTish wrote: »

simple logic : closed cop shop = local ner do wells run riot , think they can get away with anything , and never get in trouble

Which local cop shop was closed that led to THIS shooting?

Judgement Day · 03-02-2013 09:00PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Shatter lives in his own world

His house was burgled last March while he was out of the country.
Forensics guys straight down, a garda placed outside, detectives assigned and people were arrested and brought to two different garda stations.

I remember it was March as I got burgled one week later and couldn't get Ballyfermot garda station to return my followup phone calls!
I'm unsure if the gardaí even recorded my burglary, I never got a letter with a PULSE reference.
Yeah, yeah, your garda is back on duty next Monday and I've added a message for him to call you
............still waiting

I appreciate Minister of Justice is high profile and it has to be checked out as there may be important documents.

But he hasn't a clue what others deal with

The fact is that if Shatter was doing his job properly he should have round the clock security on his home as he would under threat from organised crime.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/second-antimafia-judge-killed-by-bomb-1534316.html

I'm not for one minute suggesting that anyone should threaten Shatter but rather that if he was doing an effective job that he would be under constant threat/protection.

03-02-2013 09:06PM

MagicSean wrote: »

I'll take it you didn't understand my post then. Like i said, take your pick of the cuts. The long term effects of them have indeed resulted in the shooting.

The shooting is the inevitable result of allowing criminal gangs to thrive. And that has everything to do with cuts.

Sorry, you're right, nothing bad happened before 2008.

tayto lover · 03-02-2013 09:07PM

dvpower wrote: »

Which local cop shop was closed that led to THIS shooting?

I am told Omeath and Hackballscross were closed, can't confirm as yet. If they were then that's two border stations and a clear run back over for any criminal from the north.

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2013 09:09PM

Banning people from funerals is pathetic

charlemont · 03-02-2013 09:10PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Shatter lives in his own world

His house was burgled last March while he was out of the country.
Forensics guys straight down, a garda placed outside, detectives assigned and people were arrested and brought to two different garda stations.

I remember it was March as I got burgled one week later and couldn't get Ballyfermot garda station to return my followup phone calls!
I'm unsure if the gardaí even recorded my burglary, I never got a letter with a PULSE reference.
Yeah, yeah, your garda is back on duty next Monday and I've added a message for him to call you
............still waiting

I appreciate Minister of Justice is high profile and it has to be checked out as there may be important documents.

But he hasn't a clue what others deal with

My teenage son was confronted by burglars in his room and 5 weeks later still nothing done about it, No statements taken even, Forensics did turn up the next day. To be honest they were sloppy burglars.. They left a lot of evidence behind. But obviously not enough evidence for the Gardaí. Heaps of houses and a few pubs in the general area have been hit and the same car has been spotted at the scene of several of them, What more do they want ?

I don't blame the minister for this, The Gardaí were even at the house within a half hour of being called but its no exaggeration to say that the two of them didn't give a damn. They didn't even take a note of the description of the burglars. :mad:

Judgement Day · 03-02-2013 09:12PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Banning people from funerals is pathetic

They weren't banned from the funeral - I would have banned them if it was my family - they were asked not to call to the house.

Ghost Buster · 03-02-2013 09:14PM

Biggins wrote: »

There is a consensus that the closing of stations is leading to further resources of Gardi being lessened, response times to crimes increased (even attending any future shootings and/or bank robberies), that the public and Gardi are thus more open to crime in effected areas, etc...

All debatable of course.

I honestly think that there is a huge knee jerk reaction to the whole closure of rural stations and i actually agree with it. I live in a rural area with two rural stations being about the same distance from us. I have never had cause to use them and on the handful of occasions that we have had to call the Gardai the rural ones are almost never manned and so the chances of having a call answered are pretty slim... and so we end up calling the one in the nearest large town.

flutered · 03-02-2013 09:15PM

i agree with the widow, if shatter and company would visit without the media well and good, this was not going to happen, when any one/ thing gets an inch, they then try to take another inch, the gang who are involved in the killing did not arrive out of nowhere, how have they been allowed to grow and prosper, also get so strong as to shoot a guard thinking that they can get away with it, then we have shatter asking minor criminals for info, comical, local cops get local info, cops stationed miles away will get none, down in co.limerick the bruff district covers most of rural limerick, last year they had three cars, how can they manage, the amount of burgelerys alone is horrific, we then had the BMW motor company attempting to supply state of the art police cars at little cost to the state, what happens, they buy standard FORD mondeos, then put garda lights and stripes on them.

tayto lover · 03-02-2013 09:16PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Banning people from funerals is pathetic

He wasn't banned from the funeral, he was there.
He was banned from the house. Rightly so in my opinion.

tayto lover · 03-02-2013 09:19PM

charlemont wrote: »

My teenage son was confronted by burglars in his room and 5 weeks later still nothing done about it, No statements taken even, Forensics did turn up the next day. To be honest they were sloppy burglars.. They left a lot of evidence behind. But obviously not enough evidence for the Gardaí. Heaps of houses and a few pubs in the general area have been hit and the same car has been spotted at the scene of several of them, What more do they want ?

I don't blame the minister for this, The Gardaí were even at the house within a half hour of being called but its no exaggeration to say that the two of them didn't give a damn. They didn't even take a note of the description of the burglars. :mad:

You should have complained to their boss and demanded action.

mikemac1 · 03-02-2013 09:19PM

flutered wrote: »

we then had the BMW motor company attempting to supply state of the art police cars at little cost to the state, what happens, they buy standard FORD mondeos, then put garda lights and stripes on them.

If gardaí had a fleet of BMW cars then After Hours would melt with taxpayer outrage

We'd have a few articles from the Indo anyway

My name is URL · 03-02-2013 09:19PM

dvpower wrote: »

Which local cop shop was closed that led to THIS shooting?

I don't think anyone is claiming that the two are directly connected.

Do you think crime rates will increase or decrease in the areas where stations are being closed? There's a tonne of studies from all over the world which show that community orientated policing helps to deter criminal behavior in individual areas. Even if a Garda station is only open for a few hours every few days, it gives peace of mind to a lot of people in the community. Local residents interact with Gardai, be it through having forms signed or just popping in for a chat. They discuss their concerns and share information that they may not otherwise do.

If people feel separated from their police force at a local level, and by extension more fearful in their homes, crime rates tend to mirror that fact.

What's the point in changing the organization to deal with crimes more 'efficiently', when more crime is likely to take place as a result?

Judgement Day · 03-02-2013 09:20PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

I honestly think that there is a huge knee jerk reaction to the whole closure of rural stations and i actually agree with it. I live in a rural area with two rural stations being about the same distance from us. I have never had cause to use them and on the handful of occasions that we have had to call the Gardai the rural ones are almost never manned and so the chances of having a call answered are pretty slim... and so we end up calling the one in the nearest large town.

Do you, well I have lived in various parts of rural Ireland and can tell you that the garda living locally knows his area, the people in it, and strangers that come into it. The gullible media run with the government line that having a garda filling out passport applications is all that's involved - such utter bull****. :mad:

tayto lover · 03-02-2013 09:40PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Do you, well I have lived in various parts of rural Ireland and can tell you that the garda living locally knows his area, the people in it, and strangers that come into it. The gullible media run with the government line that having a garda filling out passport applications is all that's involved - such utter bull****. :mad:

Plus someone locally who sees something suspicious is far more likely to whisper it to the local Garda who he knows than to lift the phone and ring a strange Garda in a station miles away.

digger58 · 03-02-2013 09:40PM

Let's get real here! Any cutbacks in free legal aid!!!!!, no, instead cut the services that try and protect the decent people of this country, again all Judges were once solicitors, many benefited from free legal aid work in the past, any cut backs in FLA would effect the legal profession and we can't have that can we? We need a Government who aren't afraid to take on the sections of our society that cause the problems, they are so afraid of being called racist/discriminatory that they are scared sh..less to tackle the problems, We look to America as the land of the free, why not adopt the same attitude, Zero tolerance for a start, don't forget Alcohol seems to be a perfectly acceptable excuse in the courts here for everything, secondly 3 strikes and you're out (or in for that matter) yes FLA max of 3 times, then in for good, no more pussy footing around, then again the Dail hasn't the balls for that, I suppose we would hear that that isn't possible due to the constitution, well let's have a referendum and amend it, it's amazing how they can outlaw magic mushrooms quickly but other things like Ministerial/ Bankers pensions can't be changed according to themselves, what a pathetic load of inept idiots we have in power, we deserve Jackie Healy Rae as president

Ghost Buster · 03-02-2013 09:45PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Do you, well I have lived in various parts of rural Ireland and can tell you that the garda living locally knows his area, the people in it, and strangers that come into it. The gullible media run with the government line that having a garda filling out passport applications is all that's involved - such utter bull****. :mad:

And oddly enough I know the cops in the local 24 hour garda station as they are inevitably who i end up dealing with as the two local rural stations are never open and never answer the phones. i couldnt tell you the names of any of the local cops. Im not having a go im just telling you the situation as i find it so try losing the faux angry tone you are taking with me:)

dvpower · 03-02-2013 09:54PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think anyone is claiming that the two are directly connected.

It seems crazy, but here you have it:

MagicSean wrote: »

The long term effects of them have indeed resulted in the shooting.

The shooting is the inevitable result of allowing criminal gangs to thrive. And that has everything to do with cuts.

quietsailor · 03-02-2013 09:54PM

flutered wrote: »

i agree with the widow, if shatter and company would visit without the media well and good, this was not going to happen, when any one/ thing gets an inch, they then try to take another inch, the gang who are involved in the killing did not arrive out of nowhere, how have they been allowed to grow and prosper, also get so strong as to shoot a guard thinking that they can get away with it, then we have shatter asking minor criminals for info, comical, local cops get local info, cops stationed miles away will get none, down in co.limerick the bruff district covers most of rural limerick, last year they had three cars, how can they manage, the amount of burgelerys alone is horrific, we then had the BMW motor company attempting to supply state of the art police cars at little cost to the state, what happens, they buy standard FORD mondeos, then put garda lights and stripes on them.

What do you mean by this? Did the Minister for justice turn down an offer of help from BMW?

Biggins · 03-02-2013 10:02PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Banning people from funerals is pathetic

Really?

So when you die you'd (if your family knows how you feel about certain people) like your worst dislikes turning up regardless of your own feelings?

Would family invite a very much disliked person to a wedding - whats different then from a funeral?

Garda Donohues widow tells politicans incl shatter to stay away from their house

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