Garda Donohues widow tells politicans incl shatter to stay away from their house

the culture of deference · 03-02-2013 06:10PM #1

THE family of Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe informed garda management that they did not want any politicians, including the Minister for Justice, at the home of the murdered officer.

THE family of Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe informed garda management that they did not want any politicians, including the Minister for Justice, at the home of the murdered officer, the Sunday Independent has learned.
The widow of the slain garda, Caroline Donohoe, who is herself a garda in Dundalk, is understood to have asked senior gardai to inform Mr Shatter that he would not be welcome.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/shatter-told-to-stay-away-by-widow-of-slain-garda-3375761.html

Biggins · 03-02-2013 06:13PM

Kudos to the Gardi about making their feelings clear - and respect to the family of the deceased for stating their feelings too.

jam_mac_jam · 03-02-2013 06:18PM

I don't mean to be disrespectful here but what has the shooting got to do with the closure of garda stations?

The family have the right to have who ever they want at their house but I don't see the connection, maybe its just Sunday Indo bul****?

April O Neill · 03-02-2013 06:25PM

Their reasons seem a bit... unfocussed or something?

Biggins · 03-02-2013 06:26PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't mean to be disrespectful here but what has the shooting got to do with the closure of garda stations?

The family have the right to have who ever they want at their house but I don't see the connection, maybe its just Sunday Indo bul****?

There is a consensus that the closing of stations is leading to further resources of Gardi being lessened, response times to crimes increased (even attending any future shootings and/or bank robberies), that the public and Gardi are thus more open to crime in effected areas, etc...

All debatable of course.

humbert · 03-02-2013 06:29PM

I can understand the Gardai don't like the man and I can understand why therefore the widow doesn't want him there but making a news story out of it is a bit unseemly.

April O Neill · 03-02-2013 06:29PM

Biggins wrote: »

There is a consensus that the closing of stations is leading to further resources of Gardi being lessened, response times to crimes increased (even attending any future shootings and/or bank robberies), that the public and Gardi are thus more open to crime in effected areas, etc...

All debatable of course.

The shooter seemed pretty trigger happy, I'm not sure how any of this is relevant in this case.

emo72 · 03-02-2013 06:32PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't mean to be disrespectful here but what has the shooting got to do with the closure of garda stations?

The family have the right to have who ever they want at their house but I don't see the connection, maybe its just Sunday Indo bul****?

i think the solution is obviously "smart policing". why the minister is only upgrading us to "smart policing" now, after years of using "dumb policing" is a disgrace. of course all the "stakeholders" should be consulted.

the culture of deference · 03-02-2013 06:33PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't mean to be disrespectful here but what has the shooting got to do with the closure of garda stations?

The family have the right to have who ever they want at their house but I don't see the connection, maybe its just Sunday Indo bul****?

Did you read the article or just the OP?

Meanwhile, it has also been learned that the Louth division of the Garda Representative Association is to propose a motion at the GRA's central executive committee tomorrow that an invitation to the annual conference should "not be extended to the Minister for Justice".

Though there have been several instances of protests during ministerial appearances at GRA conferences, this is understood to be the first time a proposal has been made that a Justice Minister should not be invited.
In a further indication of the extent of garda anger, former garda assistant commissioner Martin Donnellan has said that Mr Shatter should "set aside the buzzwords and the weasel words" and give Gardai the resources to do their jobs.

In a hard-hitting article on page nine of the Sunday Independent today, Mr Donnellan, who was forced to retire as an assistant commissioner in 2008 on age grounds, said the garda management's 'smart policing' initiative, supported by Mr Shatter, was "at the root of the breakdown in law and order". He also said that he was "sickened by the sight" of Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams at the Donohoe funeral.

Biggins · 03-02-2013 06:33PM

humbert wrote: »

I can understand the Gardai don't like the man and I can understand why therefore the widow doesn't want him there but making a news story out of it is a bit unseemly.

Welcome to the Sunday Indo'.

humanji · 03-02-2013 07:03PM

Please don't quote such large sections of articles. Quote a paragraph or two at most and link to the full article.

D1stant · 03-02-2013 07:08PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

In a hard-hitting article on page nine of the Sunday Independent today, Mr Donnellan, who was forced to retire as an assistant commissioner in 2008 on age grounds, said the garda management's 'smart policing' initiative, supported by Mr Shatter, was "at the root of the breakdown in law and order". He also said that he was "sickened by the sight" of Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams at the Donohoe funeral.

Adams really has some neck, but of course he was never in the IRA....

Pal · 03-02-2013 07:10PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

He also said that he was "sickened by the sight" of Gerry Adams at the Donohoe funeral.

+1

I'm sickened by the sight of him and his henchmen and your woman in our Parliament

crockholm · 03-02-2013 07:17PM

Shatter and the other politicians showing up to the funeral to pay their respects is to be expected.

calling to a grieving widow's house after would be more descretion

My name is URL · 03-02-2013 07:20PM

Sindo stirring up shit as per fcuking usual.

Informed sources told this newspaper that Det Gda Donohoe's family live in an isolated community in Co Cavan and that Mrs Donohoe's parents live in countryside near Kilkee, Co Clare.

What has that got to do with anything... why mention where the family live?

Informed sources me hole

MagicSean · 03-02-2013 07:34PM

It's not hard to understand. You cut resources and numbers you let criminality thrive. Criminals get greedy and brave. They get away with more and more. Suddenly what was once impossible (i.e. robbing a cash delivery guarded by armed Gardaí) is now not so impossible. What was once unheard of (i.e. executing a Garda) is now not so hard to contemplate. This isn't something that has happened overnight with the closure of Garda stations. This is something that has developed over a good few years. Lower Garda numbers, reduced overtime, less vehicles, wider policing areas. It all adds up to criminal paradise. You ignore the little stuff and the big stuff gets out of hand.

It's easy to say "smarter policing" is the way to go. How do you explain that to an 80 year old woman who has been attacked in her home and had to wait an hour for a Garda car?

Paulzx · 03-02-2013 07:39PM

MagicSean wrote: »

"smarter policing" ?

I wish the Minister or someone in the know would explain what this actually means. It's become one of these generic buzzwords like "going forward" or "stakeholder

Judgement Day · 03-02-2013 07:48PM

I don't care whether the chip wrapper Independent ran the story or not, Shatter will go down in history as the worst Minister for Justice ever - and that takes some doing. The useless ****er needs to come out of his enclave and experience the real world. I'm back in Ireland since late 2001 and have have had at least half a dozen incidents since then where I've had to call in the Gardai. Incidentally, I live in a town in the south east where the only time that we see a garda on the streets is during the farcical cash escorts or on St.Patrick's Day. Law and order my hole - my big toe knows more about it than Shatter and his stooge Garda commissioner. :mad:

lotusm · 03-02-2013 08:10PM

deaths by a thosands cuts is what shatter doing to civil order in this country... Has not a clue about the real world... would not survive in e.g. Ballymun/Dingle i,e in a social deprived areas which have rates of Crime or isolated areas of the country no offence to either place .. Without doubt the worst Justice minister the state ever had... a Cabinet shufle cant happen to soon...:mad:

Biggins · 03-02-2013 08:12PM

My name is URL wrote: »

...Informed sources me hole

Its the Sindo - they are full of it - and I'm not talking in amounts of 'sources'.

who the fug · 03-02-2013 08:16PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

I don't care whether the chip wrapper Independent ran the story or not, Shatter will go down in history as the worst Minister for Justice ever - and that takes some doing. The useless ****er needs to come out of his enclave and experience the real world. I'm back in Ireland since late 2001 and have have had at least half a dozen incidents since then where I've had to call in the Gardai. Incidentally, I live in a town in the south east where the only time that we see a garda on the streets is during the farcical cash escorts or on St.Patrick's Day. Law and order my hole - my big toe knows more about it than Shatter and his stooge Garda commissioner. :mad:

So things were no better than now during the tiger, how is that Shatters fault

03-02-2013 08:20PM

MagicSean wrote: »

It's not hard to understand. You cut resources and numbers you let criminality thrive. Criminals get greedy and brave. They get away with more and more. Suddenly what was once impossible (i.e. robbing a cash delivery guarded by armed Gardaí) is now not so impossible. What was once unheard of (i.e. executing a Garda) is now not so hard to contemplate. This isn't something that has happened overnight with the closure of Garda stations. This is something that has developed over a good few years. Lower Garda numbers, reduced overtime, less vehicles, wider policing areas. It all adds up to criminal paradise. You ignore the little stuff and the big stuff gets out of hand.

Any chance you could mention a specific cut that's relevant to this case? Would there usually be a helicopter accompanying such transfers or something?

wendell borton · 03-02-2013 08:22PM

'In our parliament'? Sinn Fein td's are elected representatives of their constituence and have as much right as any one else to be there.

who the fug · 03-02-2013 08:25PM

wendell borton wrote: »

'In our parliament'? Sinn Fein td's are elected representatives of their constituence and have as much right as any one else to be there.

FF FG And Labour TDs have never collect cop killers since I was born, so unless there with family permission they should stay away

GalwayGuy2 · 03-02-2013 08:27PM

It's not hard to understand. You cut resources and numbers you let criminality thrive. Criminals get greedy and brave. They get away with more and more. Suddenly what was once impossible (i.e. robbing a cash delivery guarded by armed Gardaí) is now not so impossible. What was once unheard of (i.e. executing a Garda) is now not so hard to contemplate. This isn't something that has happened overnight with the closure of Garda stations. This is something that has developed over a good few years. Lower Garda numbers, reduced overtime, less vehicles, wider policing areas. It all adds up to criminal paradise. You ignore the little stuff and the big stuff gets out of hand.

We've always had a large amount of police in relation to population. It's a bit more of a deeper problem, if there is a problem, than the amount of police. It can all be traced back to upbringing, education, in-equality and having fairly nebulous law and order.

I wonder, was this happening during the Celtic Tiger, and nobody was reporting it?

Also, was the attack on the Detective an ambush?

MagicSean · 03-02-2013 08:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Any chance you could mention a specific cut that's relevant to this case? Would there usually be a helicopter accompanying such transfers or something?

Did you not understand my post? Take you pick of the cuts. They've all contributed in some way.

wendell borton · 03-02-2013 08:29PM

I meant in the dail.

M cebee · 03-02-2013 08:31PM

Paulzx wrote: »

I wish the Minister or someone in the know would explain what this actually means. It's become one of these generic buzzwords like "going forward" or "stakeholder

'smart power' is another one i keep hearing lately

politicians love them

Judgement Day · 03-02-2013 08:32PM

who the fug wrote: »

So things were no better than now during the tiger, how is that Shatters fault

He is the ****ing Minister now and more a more arrogant, complacent individual - apart from Kenny. Rabbitte, Burton etc. - it would be hard to find. We need a garda service that is proactive rather than reactive. There's little satisfaction for the victim of crime knowing that a garda car - assuming there is one - is speeding to the scene of the crime rather than a garda presence preventing the crime. I take it that you have no first-hand experience of crime?

03-02-2013 08:35PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Did you not understand my post? Take you pick of the cuts. They've all contributed in some way.

That'll be a "no" then.

G Power · 03-02-2013 08:36PM

humbert wrote: »

I can understand the Gardai don't like the man and I can understand why therefore the widow doesn't want him there but making a news story out of it is a bit unseemly.

so we should just keep quiet and just get on with it is it?? too much of that $hite already went on in this country, it's time people spoke their minds and the public were made aware of it too

RESPECT to the family, friends and garda for this stance

Garda Donohues widow tells politicans incl shatter to stay away from their house

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