New regulations mean that landlords wont be able to rent sh1tholes to people

anonymous2013 · 03-02-2013 04:24PM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

This house and the virtually identical one beside it (10 bedsits each) are on the market and will be converted to some other use after they are sold. The house was closed down for not meeting modern standards. 20 tenants who had enjoyed below market average rents were thrown out.

http://www.lisney.com/Residential/84-Ranelagh-Village-Ranelagh-Dublin-6.aspx

Just had a read if it,i find the whole thing shocking,they don't seem to be taking into consideration the most vunerable of our society those under rent who are one step and one penny away from homelessness..

And threshold don't protect these people,they give advice as to what your limited scope of what to do is,but up against regulation and landlords you are falling inbetween two stools..Youre out on the street

AlekSmart · 03-02-2013 04:35PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

No he's not. You're talking about a "shared house" but there's really no such thing. There can be a "shared house" that's rent out in it's entirety to a group of people with them collectively responsible for the rent, and there can be a "shared house" where all the facilities are shared but each room is rent out to each individual tenant, with each individual tenant only responsible for their own room's rent.

A lot of students rent a bedroom from the landlord and share the rest of the house with the people in the other bedrooms. They're screwed. Either one person will have to take on the responsibility of the entire lease and sublet the rest of the house.

I would imagine the universities didn't give a feck about this. They'll have exemptions for "official" student residencies (that they own) and will now be one of the few places students can actually rent, and they'll push their already outrages rental charges up a huge amount.

The "responsibility" bit is going to be the issue here,particularly with Students and Rent-Money.

It could get very nasty indeed,particularly as our second level education does'nt really major on the oul "responsibility" thing either.

On a side-issue,I've long wondered why the Montrose Hotel has stood abandoned for such a long time directly opposite and within spittin distance of UCD,where there is a constant requirement for clean,affordable and adjacent accomodation.....???

Brain Stroking · 03-02-2013 04:45PM

Have been looking for a 1 bed apartment the past few weeks in Dublin. Some of the ads on daft and other websites are dishonest plain and simple. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth when standing in a box realising that the photos were taken by someone lying on the ground in the corner of the rooms photographing three walls on a wide angle lens. Pricks is the only word to describe landlords that do that

AlekSmart · 03-02-2013 05:15PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Have been looking for a 1 bed apartment the past few weeks in Dublin. Some of the ads on daft and other websites are dishonest plain and simple. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth when standing in a box realising that the photos were taken by someone lying on the ground in the corner of the rooms photographing three walls on a wide angle lens. Pricks is the only word to describe landlords that do that

It's also a term which could accurately be used to describe the "Professional Planners" and Politicians who presided over the drafting and implimentation of regulations allowing the construction of so many of these places.

It's currently quite de rigeur to criticise Mick Wallace TD,but it remains a fact that his operation went against the grain when designing and building apartments in Dublin.

It could be argued that if it had been Wallace instead of Zoe Developments and their fellow travellers,that built so many of our apartment stock,we would be in a far better place now.

UCDVet · 03-02-2013 05:52PM

I'm very confused by this....

My wife and I are both listed as tenants. Our apartment is a 1 bed one bath. Am I understanding the new law correctly; this is no longer going to be legal?

Grayson · 03-02-2013 05:56PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Have been looking for a 1 bed apartment the past few weeks in Dublin. Some of the ads on daft and other websites are dishonest plain and simple. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth when standing in a box realising that the photos were taken by someone lying on the ground in the corner of the rooms photographing three walls on a wide angle lens. Pricks is the only word to describe landlords that do that

same here. I spent ages looking. Some were definitely taken with wideangle lenses. It was so irritating. I'd look at something and think that looks nice and then be disappointed.

One agent in particular called me 10 minutes before we were due to meet and confirmed I'd be there. then they showed up 45 minutes late "Sorry, I had to take a call and completly forgot"
The place I saw was a box. In the photo's it looked small, but livable. When i stood in it I felt claustrophobic and it felt like I was crowding the room (and I'm skinny).

Another one i was in last year gave us back less than half our deposit because they said we had smoked and damaged the walls. They said the walls needed repainting. This would be ok except we didn't smoke and during the final inspection they said everything was ok. they just paid us back less.

The fact is that estate agents really don't give a crap about tenants. I have less respect for them as a profession than anyone else. Drug dealers rate higher on the scale. At least they're more professional

starlit · 03-02-2013 06:20PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Have been looking for a 1 bed apartment the past few weeks in Dublin. Some of the ads on daft and other websites are dishonest plain and simple. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth when standing in a box realising that the photos were taken by someone lying on the ground in the corner of the rooms photographing three walls on a wide angle lens.

You serious, its very hard to find a one bedroom apartment in Dublin anytime I've look at daft and when looking for accommodation up there when I moved there a few years ago have since left. Unless its a bedsit but I hope they get rid of them they are a hazard.

One bed apartments are either too expensive or they just too far out from the city but before it would have bothered me not being close to the city but now wouldn't as much. Can be deceiving when they take the pics the place seems smaller than it is and be misleading when you think its bigger in the photos.

Brain Stroking · 03-02-2013 06:26PM

Grayson wrote: »

same here. I spent ages looking. Some were definitely taken with wideangle lenses. It was so irritating. I'd look at something and think that looks nice and then be disappointed.

One agent in particular called me 10 minutes before we were due to meet and confirmed I'd be there. then they showed up 45 minutes late "Sorry, I had to take a call and completly forgot"
The place I saw was a box. In the photo's it looked small, but livable. When i stood in it I felt claustrophobic and it felt like I was crowding the room (and I'm skinny).

Another one i was in last year gave us back less than half our deposit because they said we had smoked and damaged the walls. They said the walls needed repainting. This would be ok except we didn't smoke and during the final inspection they said everything was ok. they just paid us back less.

The fact is that estate agents really don't give a crap about tenants. I have less respect for them as a profession than anyone else. Drug dealers rate higher on the scale. At least they're more professional

Nail on head. Claustrophobia is my overriding emotion when thinking of the places i've seen in the past month.

starlit · 03-02-2013 06:32PM

I like a fair bit of space but just use it up to the hilt

I could cope with small rooms but not so small that you can't move about in it.

You think the agents be a bit better to deal with than actual landlords?

Brain Stroking · 03-02-2013 06:33PM

doovdela wrote: »

You serious, its very hard to find a one bedroom apartment in Dublin anytime I've look at daft and when looking for accommodation up there when I moved there a few years ago have since left. Unless its a bedsit but I hope they get rid of them they are a hazard.

One bed apartments are either too expensive or they just too far out from the city but before it would have bothered me not being close to the city but now wouldn't as much. Can be deceiving when they take the pics the place seems smaller than it is and be misleading when you think its bigger in the photos.

Yeah true. I am looking close-ish to city centre and am never going to live in a bedsit. I purposely leave out "studios" from my searches. Studio apartment - that phrase p1sses me right off for some reason.

Was in a place last week. Bedroom had a wardrobe with just a rail and nothing else. No shelves. No other cupboard of any kind in the room. I asked the estate agent and he brought me to the living room where there was a big storage press in the corner and said "you could put extra stuff in here". I simply said "that is a cupboard for my golf clubs" - who keeps their clothes and personal belongings in their sitting room? Do you?". He said "No". I said "Good luck" and walked out the door

Grayson · 03-02-2013 06:34PM

doovdela wrote: »

You serious, its very hard to find a one bedroom apartment in Dublin anytime I've look at daft and when looking for accommodation up there when I moved there a few years ago have since left. Unless its a bedsit but I hope they get rid of them they are a hazard.

One bed apartments are either too expensive or they just too far out from the city but before it would have bothered me not being close to the city but now wouldn't as much. Can be deceiving when they take the pics the place seems smaller than it is and be misleading when you think its bigger in the photos.

I've been looking and a crappy 1 bed is going for about 650 where I'm looking. I can get a good sized two bed for 800. But 800 is far too expensive for me. And all the one beds are sh1teholes

starlit · 03-02-2013 06:38PM

Avoid bedsits at all possible, the decor be enough to put me off even if it cheap and near the city. I be stubborn about it and go with something I am happy with without feeling the pressure I must take such and such a place no matter how hard you find searching for a place. You think it easier when is just one/two people together than trying to find a house share.

I say you need to consider going further out from the city centre anyway, the suburbs of the city that is within an easy commute.

I've seen that ya. I like a lot of storage space too so keep looking.

Would ye consider a two bedroom apartment/house/townhouse? Depends on the price range, what area of the city you looking that be easy to commute by public transport.

starlit · 03-02-2013 06:42PM

Grayson wrote: »

I've been looking and a crappy 1 bed is going for about 650 where I'm looking. I can get a good sized two bed for 800. But 800 is far too expensive for me. And all the one beds are sh1teholes

Look at all options is what I'd advise and how much you willing to spend on rent and how close to public transport/city you want to be like. There are a lot of rubbish one bedroom places close to the city you could throw your hat at them look somewhere a little further. You know by the price of the rent what you are paying for. Would you consider a house share work out cheaper? Most one bedroom apartments are in the region of 650-1000+ you be lucky to get them at 750-900 to be honest if you could stretch to that you do well. Rathmines isn't a bad spot the town centre apartments are in a good locations but rent varies.

If I had my choice I go outside the city beyond 5 mins commute nearer the suburbs. Dublin 6 and further south be good options depends how far down the luas line you willing to travel. The north side you have the buses and trains.

Brain Stroking · 03-02-2013 06:46PM

doovdela wrote: »

Avoid bedsits at all possible, the decor be enough to put me off even if it cheap and near the city. I be stubborn about it and go with something I am happy with without feeling the pressure I must take such and such a place no matter how hard you find searching for a place. You think it easier when is just one/two people together than trying to find a house share.

I say you need to consider going further out from the city centre anyway, the suburbs of the city that is within an easy commute.

I've seen that ya. I like a lot of storage space too so keep looking.

Would ye consider a two bedroom apartment/house/townhouse? Depends on the price range, what area of the city you looking that be easy to commute by public transport.

I work in centre, close to Stephen's Green. Looking in Ranelagh, Rathmines direction. Have always lived with friends etc but have a hankering for my own castle so want to strike out alone. Am not in a rush to leave my current place as my housemate is going to keep it on himself so i can take my time. Am hoping the holy grail just appears but the past month has been an eye opener in terms of the brass necks on landlords and estate agents

starlit · 03-02-2013 06:55PM

Rathmines suit you. There are a few nice places there but have to really search. You look into rathgar/terenure/rathfarnham if you wanted the bus/walk, further south again down the luas line go directly to St Stephen's Green so might be worth venturing outside the usual spots, you never know you might find your perfect place further down the line at a reasonable price for rent even if it means commuting. I wouldn't recommend more than 30-40 mins though, it be very tiring.

I did it from both the north and south side and was easier to commute from the south than the north side. I was living in the north side first a bit too long a commute to work but was handy. The south side was handier as it was nearer to work for me so got to work sooner and was nearer which was great.

A lot of the places in Ranelagh have the old houses depends how you like them I wanted to live in them but realised from my house hunting escapade not my thing so something a bit more homely but a little bit more modern in between I suppose not just have different furniture stuck in places just for the sake of it. They really need an interior designer I think yet the new set of apartments done up are expensive but in time the rent will drop!

I was lucky I found something but was a stroke of luck really, got my own place, lovely really the independence!

Grayson · 03-02-2013 07:32PM

doovdela wrote: »

Look at all options is what I'd advise and how much you willing to spend on rent and how close to public transport/city you want to be like. There are a lot of rubbish one bedroom places close to the city you could throw your hat at them look somewhere a little further. You know by the price of the rent what you are paying for. Would you consider a house share work out cheaper? Most one bedroom apartments are in the region of 650-1000+ you be lucky to get them at 750-900 to be honest if you could stretch to that you do well. Rathmines isn't a bad spot the town centre apartments are in a good locations but rent varies.

If I had my choice I go outside the city beyond 5 mins commute nearer the suburbs. Dublin 6 and further south be good options depends how far down the luas line you willing to travel. The north side you have the buses and trains.

I work in blanch but I'm doing a college course in Maynooth. I'm looking in the maynooth area which is cheaper than dublin. And it's only a 20ish minute drive to work. So I'm already looking outside of the centre.
I managed to find a place on friday. It's a little bit grotty, as in the furniture is about 50 years old. But structurally it's grand.

the_syco · 03-02-2013 08:16PM

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1305946
Nice place, no cooker or fridge/freezer, though. The microwave can only do so much. With a cooker you can cook in bulk, and reheat the food during the week. With the fridge you can keep stuff, and with the freezer, you can buy stuff on the cheap as it only has a day left before it goes out of date, freeze it the same day, and cook it within the month. Cheap place, expensive to live.

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1265821
Another one with no fridge or cooker. Looks like a converted shed. Flat roof means most likely any and all heat will disappear very shortly.

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1307592
Looks decent, but wide-angle/fish-eye lens used in pictures 2, 3, 5, and maybe in 4 & 6.

Milk & Honey wrote: »

http://www.bailii.org/ie/legis/num_reg/2008/0534.html

Couldn't find the bit that stated

Indo Article wrote:

"The new regulations effectively ban shared bathrooms and landlord-controlled heating systems in rented properties," SCS spokeswoman Siobhan O'Dwyer said.

Also, the bit about the

Indo Article wrote:

a four-ring cooker

Seems to mean in the house that they have access to, as opposed to in the studio apartment.

Grayson wrote: »

I've been looking and a crappy 1 bed is going for about 650 where I'm looking. I can get a good sized two bed for 800. But 800 is far too expensive for me. And all the one beds are sh1teholes

What area do you need access for, and would you consider living with other people? If the latter, are you a student or not (some cheap places rent to students only)?

Milk & Honey · 03-02-2013 08:22PM

the_syco wrote: »

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1305946

Couldn't find the bit that stated

Also, the bit about the

(a) 4 ring hob with oven and grill,

(ii) “house” includes any building or part of a building used or suitable for use as a dwelling and any outoffice, yard, garden or other land appurtenant thereto or usually enjoyed therewith,

(2) Subject to sub-article (1), there shall be provided, within the habitable area of the house, for the exclusive use of the house:
6. (1) There shall be provided within the habitable area of the house, for the exclusive use of the house:

(a) A watercloset, with dedicated wash hand basin adjacent thereto with a continuous supply of cold water and a facility for the piped supply of hot water, and

(b) A fixed bath or shower with continuous supply of cold water and a facility for the piped supply of hot water.

(a) 4 ring hob with oven and grill,

the_syco · 03-02-2013 11:16PM

CTRL+F fail on my part

Although two rings would be enough for some people, a 4 ring cooker should also hopefully mean it'll have an oven. Happy for the fridge part as well.

The bit about

Suitable facilities for the effective and safe removal of fumes to the external air by means of a cooker hood or extractor fan

shall affect more than just the hovels, as I regularly see cookers without any sort of extractor fan in places that the apartment is being rented at around the €1200 mark.

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But it all comes down to; will hovels get inspected, as many are not registered in the PTRB, or anywhere for that matter.

New regulations mean that landlords wont be able to rent sh1tholes to people

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