New regulations mean that landlords wont be able to rent sh1tholes to people

Milk & Honey · 02-02-2013 09:31PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

no point arguing with you, but you are wrong

You have produced no evidence whatsoever for your assertion. Have you any links to back up what you are saying?

Henlars67 · 02-02-2013 09:34PM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

You have produced no evidence whatsoever for your assertion. Have you any links to back up what you are saying?

You are the one who said that landlords need to provide a separate bathroom and 4 hob cooker for every tenant in a shared house.

The burden of proof is on you.

Milk & Honey · 02-02-2013 09:36PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

You are the one who said that landlords need to provide a separate bathroom and 4 hob cooker for every tenant in a shared house.

The burden of proof is on you.

I have referred to the regulations and PRTB decisions which show that each house must have its own bathroom and kitchen facilities.
What have you referred to?

Henlars67 · 02-02-2013 09:38PM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

I have referred to the regulations and PRTB decisions which show that each house must have its own bathroom and kitchen facilities.
What have you referred to?

each house, not each room, anyway I've had enough of this.

do you really think that each bedroom in a 4 be semi that's leased out has to be an ensuite with a 4 hob cooker?

You're away with the fairies

southsiderosie · 02-02-2013 09:46PM

I feel like this is over-reaching a bit. I've rented studios in the US and Spain and a bedsit in Ireland, and they usually only had a 2-burner stove (and no over) because they take up less space. And TBH, I would rather have my own living space with a hall bathroom than a houseshare where all of the common areas are shared space.

The bigger issue here is that many of these places aren't well-maintained, but as long as they are clean and the landlord is responsible (or the government responds quickly to complaints), then I don't see anything wrong with the hall bathroom bedsit set-up: it makes living by yourself in a major city somewhat affordable, and they are pretty much the only option for people who want a short-term (i.e. less than six months) lease.

Milk & Honey · 02-02-2013 09:46PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

each house, not each room, anyway I've had enough of this.

do you really think that each bedroom in a 4 be semi that's leased out has to be an ensuite with a 4 hob cooker?

You're away with the fairies

If the whole house is leased no. If rooms are let individually, yes. Go and show me how I am wrong.

A house can mean a part of a house according to the definition in the regulations. Maybe you haven't read them?

Guy:Incognito · 02-02-2013 09:52PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Look through the accom and property forum and you'll hear stories of people being rented places unfit to live.

You mean people are conciously deciding to rent places that are unfit to live in.

Bipolar Joe · 02-02-2013 09:52PM

This conversation is stupid.

Henlars67 · 02-02-2013 09:53PM

What you have linked to deals with an entirely separate situation and you have interpreted wrongly.

Madam_X · 02-02-2013 10:01PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

The bigger issue here is that many of these places aren't well-maintained

But that's what the issue being discussed here is. I'm sure most would agree a small cooker or a room without an en-suite in a house-share aren't of much concern in comparison to a dirty, dusty, damp dwelling in disrepair (that's a lot of Ds! :pac:)

Czarcasm · 02-02-2013 10:16PM

Madam_X wrote: »

But that's what the issue being discussed here is. I'm sure most would agree a small cooker or a room without an en-suite in a house-share aren't of much concern in comparison to a dirty, dusty, damp dwelling in disrepair (that's a lot of Ds! :pac:)

Must... resist! *schoolboy sniggers*, brain you're back in the room :pac:

Milk & Honey · 02-02-2013 10:37PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

What you have linked to deals with an entirely separate situation and you have interpreted wrongly.

No, I haven't. The question is what is a dwelling.

Capt'n Midnight · 02-02-2013 10:46PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Also the threat of imprionment.

Jebus :eek:

Infection with mad cow disease, that's both cruel and unusual.

steddyeddy · 02-02-2013 10:56PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Jebus :eek:

Infection with mad cow disease, that's both cruel and unusual.

Trust the mod of the biology forum to pick up on a prion misspelling :P!

starlit · 03-02-2013 12:38AM

Its high time, have seen a few rubbish bedsits in my time.

Its amazing really if you find a decent place for decent rent.

Kichote · 03-02-2013 02:06AM

So it will be impossible to rent out a place that doesnt have a 4 ring cooker? What BS is this? Some people wouldnt have use for a 1 ring cooker

Kichote · 03-02-2013 02:08AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

It was legislation brought in three years ago that applied to new rentals only, but now it's being applied across the board. You'd be surprised how many people renting accommodation are unaware of their rights and responsibilities as tenants, let alone those that are even aware of the existence of the PRTB!

There are a few genuinely clueless landlords too (mostly new money "property investors", ordinary people that bought second and third properties in the boom years and are now trying to claw their investment back), but for the most part, sub standard accommodation is usually traced back to unscrupulous landlords that have been letting for years, raking in cash, and avoiding refurbishing the property when it went into a state of disrepair.

I am unaware of the existance of the PRTB and dont want to know either. Govt can feck off with their regulations if i want to live in a kip and pay kip money for it thats my choice

Czarcasm · 03-02-2013 02:15AM

Kichote wrote: »

I am unaware of the existance of the PRTB and dont want to know either. Govt can feck off with their regulations if i want to live in a kip and pay kip money for it thats my choice

There's always one.

goat2 · 03-02-2013 02:33AM

jethro081 wrote: »

i've been living in rented houses in various parts of ireland for years now, and whilst i do welcome regulation of property standards, the private bathroom rule seems excessive to me.

I have never once had an en suite bathroom in any of the houses i have rented, because i've never been in a position to pay a lot of rent. I'd just worry that a regulation like this will push up rental prices and take away low rent housing, which many people, including myself over the years, have relied on.

Maybe i'm being overly sceptical about this, but it is something that would worry me. I'm not saying hovels should be allowed, but a four ring cooker, and a private bathroom per tenant seems excessive.

well said,
if people have to put in extra bathrooms, then the tenant pays the extra for that,
and anyway where there are two or three tenants, what is wrong with one bathroom,
in my own home i have one bathroom between five to six of us, and we have no issues,
so why should i rent out a house to some two people with two bathrooms while i have one between the whole family,
there was six of us until a yr ago, and anyway if you had two showers or baths going at the same time the tank would run out of water,
demand would overtake supply, in the heating or running of two baths or showers at the same time,
does not make sense to me.
all houses should have good cooking facilities, washing facilities, easy to heat and damp free,
I would say there are houses that are not properly insulated or heated out there,
and it is up to tenants to make sure they find the right place that is up to standared.
but if people are thinking that everyone tho stay in a house should have a seperate bathroom, it is the tenants who will be paying for that privilage,
i know places where bin services were provided, and in the last two yrs this service is no longer paid for by the landlord, so the tenant is picking up the bill,
you cannot blame landlords if they raise the rent, if they have to put in an extra bathroom, while all the while the one bathroom did the job,
it is hard enough on tenants, why make it harder,

and lastly,

people will rent out sh1t holes if tenants are willing to live in them,
instead the prospective tenants should say it as it is and tell them the truth that their rental is not fit to live in.
i have gone out helping one of my brood find a place to rent up country, and we did come across a place i did think was all wrong, and i said it as it was,
the landlord did not like it, but if people dont rent them from people, those that own the property will fix it up properly so as to get a customer for the place,

Cookie_Monster · 03-02-2013 03:37AM

Landlords are now obliged to provide each tenant with a separate bathroom, a four-ring cooker, access to laundry facilities and other basic facilities , or risk being fined up to €5,000.

That list is a bit ridiculous, 3 bed apartment could have 6 people living in it, do you now need 6 bathrooms?
Why are laundry facilities and "other" basic facilities (includes a fridge at least, not sure what else) needed? what if you are renting unfurnished, why would you need another washing machine and fridge and what not.

Too far IMO.

fasttalkerchat · 03-02-2013 04:05AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That list is a bit ridiculous, 3 bed apartment could have 6 people living in it, do you now need 6 bathrooms?
Why are laundry facilities and "other" basic facilities (includes a fridge at least, not sure what else) needed? what if you are renting unfurnished, why would you need another washing machine and fridge and what not.

Too far IMO.

Another poster said this doesn't apply when its a shared house. I think the rule applies when only par of the house is rented.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 03-02-2013 05:24AM

Maybe the tenants might peek up and start paying their rent regularly as well. In my experience even those with rent allowance abuse it. The only trouble for me with payment (and trouble in general) has come from the Irish. Any foreigner I've dealt with has understood our agreement perfectly and has not abused any trust.

the_syco · 03-02-2013 06:03AM

goat2 wrote: »

people will rent out sh1t holes if tenants are willing to live in them

There'll always be someone who can only barely afford a place, and will take it, no matter how bad it is. Landlording is a business, not a charity, and thus they'll charge the most money for the littelist service.

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Anyone got a link to these regulations? The article in the OP is sh|te and provides lots of vague info.

Lyaiera · 03-02-2013 10:30AM

Henlars67 wrote: »

no point arguing with you, but you are wrong

No he's not. You're talking about a "shared house" but there's really no such thing. There can be a "shared house" that's rent out in it's entirety to a group of people with them collectively responsible for the rent, and there can be a "shared house" where all the facilities are shared but each room is rent out to each individual tenant, with each individual tenant only responsible for their own room's rent.

A lot of students rent a bedroom from the landlord and share the rest of the house with the people in the other bedrooms. They're screwed. Either one person will have to take on the responsibility of the entire lease and sublet the rest of the house.

I would imagine the universities didn't give a feck about this. They'll have exemptions for "official" student residencies (that they own) and will now be one of the few places students can actually rent, and they'll push their already outrages rental charges up a huge amount.

Guy:Incognito · 03-02-2013 10:37AM

the_syco wrote: »

There'll always be someone who can only barely afford a place, and will take it, no matter how bad it is. Landlording is a business, not a charity, and thus they'll charge the most money for the littelist service.

=-=.

When money is pumped in to all these places to make them better and rents go up, where will the people that could only barely afford the lowest priced rentals before live?

Grayson · 03-02-2013 10:54AM

Kichote wrote: »

I am unaware of the existance of the PRTB and dont want to know either. Govt can feck off with their regulations if i want to live in a kip and pay kip money for it thats my choice

I agree. I want to live in a hovel, with my horse meat burgers, sucking in my radon gas whilst taking cheap knock off drugs from china to treat the asthma caused by damp.
****ing regulation.

Milk & Honey · 03-02-2013 11:15AM

the_syco wrote: »

There'll always be someone who can only barely afford a place, and will take it, no matter how bad it is. Landlording is a business, not a charity, and thus they'll charge the most money for the littelist service.

=-=

Anyone got a link to these regulations? The article in the OP is sh|te and provides lots of vague info.

http://www.bailii.org/ie/legis/num_reg/2008/0534.html

anonymous2013 · 03-02-2013 03:59PM

Have you not considered tenants that literally have NOWHERE ELSE TO LIVE,that if they got chucked out of their flat due to these new regulations - they would be the new homeless in ireland.

Homelessness is rife enough as it is since the recession,with people chucked out of their homes due to dubious shared tenancy with councils,where they took out shared loands(a bad idea) with county councils..And of course not being able to pay back the banks due to direct loans also..I think this will just add to the list of the new homeless we have out there at the moment.

If the tenant cant pay for the upgrades - out goes the tenant..

Milk & Honey · 03-02-2013 04:10PM

anonymous2013 wrote: »

Have you not considered tenants that literally have NOWHERE ELSE TO LIVE,that if they got chucked out of their flat due to these new regulations - they would be the new homeless in ireland.

Homelessness is rife enough as it is since the recession,with people chucked out of their homes due to dubious shared tenancy with councils,where they took out shared loands(a bad idea) with county councils..And of course not being able to pay back the banks due to direct loans also..I think this will just add to the list of the new homeless we have out there at the moment.

If the tenant cant pay for the upgrades - out goes the tenant..

This house and the virtually identical one beside it (10 bedsits each) are on the market and will be converted to some other use after they are sold. The house was closed down for not meeting modern standards. 20 tenants who had enjoyed below market average rents were thrown out.

http://www.lisney.com/Residential/84-Ranelagh-Village-Ranelagh-Dublin-6.aspx

WoollyRedHat · 03-02-2013 04:12PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Honestly Eddie I'll believe it when I see it. I'd LIKE to see it, but there's always those that slip under the radar that only care about cash in hand and the property can go to hell.

Just one example of this was last year when I got a call from an elderly lady to come out and fix her laptop. I went out to where I thought she was, an old folks home. Turned out she was living in a bedsit across the road, and the only thing separating her bedsit from the one beside it I discovered was when I went looking for the bathroom and pulled back a wooden partition and met her "neighbour", in their bedsit!

The toilet as it turned out, was up a rickety woodworm infested stairs, the only thing holding up the walls was the scummy black dampness and the toilet bowl itself was covered in rust with no lid and no shower facilities in the "bathroom" either.

I felt embarrassed for the poor woman tbh, especially when I thought she could be living in the old folks home across the road instead of being practically isolated in this filth hole where she told me the local teenagers would gather in the shed outside drinking and causing mayhem till the early hours of the morning.

I asked her had she anyone that'd come visit her or try and find her somewhere else more suitable to her needs. "My daughter is in Australia" she told me, her only means of contact being the odd e-mail every so often.

It's not too often my customers would prick my conscience, but there not being much else I could do, I called out to her a week later with a webcam and set her up on skype and she was delighted to be able to video call her daughter.

I call out to her myself every so often now just to check up on her and have a chat and hopefully with the help of the CWO and my contacts in the housing authority this legislation will mean that this woman might be able to move into decent accommodation that might give her back her dignity.

Respect to you.

New regulations mean that landlords wont be able to rent sh1tholes to people

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