Graphic new warnings for cigarette packages

the_syco · 01-02-2013 10:42AM

RossFixxxed wrote: »

ARE YOU SMOKING YET?

This post is a ****!

spoonfed wrote: »

Why does the government not make all tobacco products illegal if they are so harmful?

They'd lose the tax, and the black market would thrive.

KTRIC wrote: »

Set a minimum price to €10 and then put the price up by €1 every year without fail. Also set a mandatory minimum jail sentence for anyone caught distributing illegally imported cigarettes. This'll eventually put a stop to the whole thing.

Last time I checked pipe bombing each other, murdering each other, and importing drugs was also illegal, but jail sentences aren't preventing it much.

pickarooney wrote: »

They should print pictures of the stuff you could buy with the money you're wasting on cigarettes.

This is actually a good idea.

conorhal wrote: »

Should every can of beer have a picture of a necrotic liver or the smashed face or a car crash victim on it?

Car crash wine? I like this idea! But I dislike the way you write the post in black.

Roger_007 · 01-02-2013 10:43AM

If the gov believe that cigs are so dangerous why are allowed to be legally sold. There is a loy of hypocrisy going on here. We all remember the ban on magic mushrooms after one person had reportedly died after eating them. We are being told that cigs cause 6000 deaths per annulment yet you can buy as many as you like. Either ban cigs or stop rabbiting on about them.

conorhal · 01-02-2013 10:46AM

Crimson King wrote: »

Don't really understand this argument. Its your choice so continue to choose smoking by all means. Some people will be put off though and that can only be a good thing???

Do you like a tipple? Should every beer mat that you rest your glass on have a picture of a diseased liver or a car crash victim? After all, if it encourages you to drink in moderation, surely it's a good thing?

AS far as I'm concerned the petty facisists can eiter ban cigarettes or back off.

Dempsey · 01-02-2013 10:50AM

spoonfed wrote: »

Why does the government not make all tobacco products illegal if they are so harmful?

Gangs would then supply cigarettes to Ireland

You'd be stopping a tax income that goes to the HSE who still will have to deal with increased smoking related illnesses because quality control would no longer be included in cigarette manufacturing and more harmful chemicals will contaminate them. Not to mention the burden it would place on an already underfunded police force trying to deal with the gang related crimes involving illegal cigarettes.

Czarcasm · 01-02-2013 10:51AM

conorhal wrote: »

There has been a lot of talk about bullying amongst politicians lately, well plainly put this is nothing less then bullying. If the aim was informational, well the warning is on the pack, and I can read and thusly I’m informed.
These images typify the arrogance and contempt of those in power that feel that they are entitled to take 80% of the price of a packet of cigarettes and then kick you in the face and shout SMOKER!
I for one am sick of this nanny state government crawling through my pocket, my cupboards and my personal life. Ask yourself, where should or will this end?
Should every can of beer have a picture of a necrotic liver or the smashed face or a car crash victim on it?
Should every chocolate bar and Big Mac container feature a graphic picture of a fat oozing coronary artery or a picture of an obese diabetic amputee?
Will we see such images on the bottle of Bollinger that fat fvck O’ Reilly enjoys? I doubt it, you can bully and belittle smokers because they are predominantly working class, but middle class alcoholics packing away a couple of bottles of fine wine every night simply wouldn’t stand for it.

Ah stop it with this nonsense would you. Middle class and upper class people work too, so this idea of working class? Unless you mean to say lower class, but just don't like the term.

Smoking is a choice. People no matter what class they are, are not forced to smoke. If they cannot afford to smoke, then that should be their loss.

Stop this making excuses for them and blaming the government nonsense. People are very much aware of how much VAT and so forth goes to the government in taxes, yet they still choose to smoke, and while they do so, they continue to pay the price, financially speaking as well as from the point of view of their health.

And who picks up the tab when lower income smokers get smoking related diseases and conditions? Here's a clue- most lower income smokers are entitled to medical cards, so it won't be they who will sick up the tab. It'll be the government paying for 100% of their treatment, from the 80% tax they've paid on cigarettes.

TL:DR - I'd keep shtum if I was a smoker on a low income.

whatdoicare · 01-02-2013 10:53AM

My mam has a wardrobe full, FULL, of these packages of cigarettes from Spain with photos of dead babies, black puss filled hearts, rotten lungs and more and it hasn't stopped her at all! She doesn't take a blind bit of notice. She used to puff away through those adverts that were on before with the surgeon pushing that goo out of a rotten heart.

She is actually perplexed that I don't want her smoking around me (I'm pregnant) and my sister doesn't want her smoking around her 7 month old. I mean,she is really confused by it all!

Sad thing about it all is that all her friends both young and old are the same and they're backing each other up. ****ing idiots.

So, long story short, it won't make a bit of difference to smokers,itll just scare those who don't smoke but are subjected to this nasty habit.

Anyone · 01-02-2013 10:57AM

I hope the same people harping on about smoking take the same point of view when obesity overtakes smoking as the biggest cause of preventable death.

As for these images, if a smoker wants to smoke, they will smoke. Simple as. I have been using a ecig for the last 4 months. I chose not to smoke. I made the decision, and it wasnt any way related other peoples views or the measures the Gov have taken.

conorhal · 01-02-2013 10:58AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ah stop it with this nonsense would you. Middle class and upper class people work too, so this idea of working class? Unless you mean to say lower class, but just don't like the term.

Smoking is a choice. People no matter what class they are, are not forced to smoke. If they cannot afford to smoke, then that should be their loss.

Stop this making excuses for them and blaming the government nonsense. People are very much aware of how much VAT and so forth goes to the government in taxes, yet they still choose to smoke, and while they do so, they continue to pay the price, financially speaking as well as from the point of view of their health.

And who picks up the tab when lower income smokers get smoking related diseases and conditions? Here's a clue- most lower income smokers are entitled to medical cards, so it won't be they who will sick up the tab. It'll be the government paying for 100% of their treatment, from the 80% tax they've paid on cigarettes.

TL:DR - I'd keep shtum if I was a smoker on a low income.

Well I'm a smoker on a high income. With my VHI.
As for smokers on a low income, they are paying 7 euro in VAT on every pack so they're paying up too.
I was pointing out that is seems to be acceptable to do this to one group, but not another and wondering if class was an issue (irrespective of income.)
Yes, smoking is a choice. Which of your choices do you think should entitle me to subject you to the same level of harrasment? You must have made a poor choice or two at some point.

Sinfonia · 01-02-2013 11:00AM

"Gentlemen. It's called education. It doesn't come off the side of a cigarette carton. It comes from our teachers, and more importantly, our parents. It is the job of every parent to warn their children of all the dangers of the world including cigarettes so that one day when they get older, they can choose for themselves."
- Nick Naylor, Thank You For Smoking

tommyombomb · 01-02-2013 11:00AM

all this talk of cigerettes, think i need to go for a smoke. i'll take those one in two smokers die younger odds at the moment.

Feeling lucky Punk:pac:

spoonfed · 01-02-2013 11:00AM

the_syco wrote: »

They'd lose the tax, and the black market would thrive.

.

Don't you think this happens anyway with the price of tobacco products increasing, especially in todays economic climate?

Plazaman · 01-02-2013 11:01AM

I think they should put a picture of O'Reilly's mug on the cigarettes. That'd scare the shít outta people.

Will we ever have a healthy looking Minister for Health?

davet82 · 01-02-2013 11:01AM

as i quit 3 weeks ago i think this is a great fcukin idea

if the governement/eu wanted to get really serious about this, they would reduce the amount of nicotine per mg per ciggarette year on year for the next 20 to wean people off them until ciggerattes are still legal but nicotine isn't

Ishmael · 01-02-2013 11:02AM

Personally, i think it would be far more productive to print tips and advice on how to quit smoking rather than these graphic images.

Sinfonia · 01-02-2013 11:05AM

davet82 wrote: »

if the governement/eu wanted to get really serious about this, they would reduce the amount of nicotine per mg per ciggarette year on year for the next 20 to wean people off them until ciggerattes are still legal but nicotine isn't

I don't think that really makes a difference to chemical addiction.
If you had only a smidge of heroin every day, you'd still be addicted to heroin.

My name is URL · 01-02-2013 11:11AM

Why are smokers always the ones singled out? They should start putting pictures of obese people with severe medical conditions on the packets of processed foods too while their at it. Over 65% of Irish adults are overweight or obese, and most of those will develop health problems as a result. Over the next 15 years the number of people effected by diabetes is going to treble.

Anyone · 01-02-2013 11:14AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why are smokers always the ones singled out? They should start putting pictures of obese people with severe medical conditions on the packets of processed foods too while their at it. Over 65% of Irish adults are overweight or obese, and most of those will develop health problems as a result. Over the next 15 years the number of people effected by diabetes is going to treble.

You cant even harrass and abuse these people like smokers are because its not socially acceptable.

davet82 · 01-02-2013 11:14AM

Sinfonia wrote: »

I don't think that really makes a difference to chemical addiction.
If you had only a smidge of heroin every day, you'd still be addicted to heroin.

would it not be easier to quit with less in your system and also for future smokers with less nicotine in them?

gobnaitolunacy · 01-02-2013 11:15AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why are smokers always the ones singled out? .

Because smokers are worse than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot put together, obese people are nice and jolly.

davet82 · 01-02-2013 11:16AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why are smokers always the ones singled out? They should start putting pictures of obese people with severe medical conditions on the packets of processed foods too while their at it. Over 65% of Irish adults are overweight or obese, and most of those will develop health problems as a result. Over the next 15 years the number of people effected by diabetes is going to treble.

i think you are choosing a bad example, you should have went with alcohol and pictures of down and outs on vodka bottles and a big black poo on the side of guinness cans

Czarcasm · 01-02-2013 11:17AM

conorhal wrote: »

Well I'm a smoker on a high income. With my VHI.
As for smokers on a low income, they are paying 7 euro in VAT on every pack so they're paying up too.
I was pointing out that is seems to be acceptable to do this to one group, but not another and wondering if class was an issue (irrespective of income.)
Yes, smoking is a choice. Which of your choices do you think should entitle me to subject you to the same level of harrasment? You must have made a poor choice or two at some point.

Have you forgotten the laws regarding abuse of alcohol? Just look at the idiot down in Kerry who wanted the law changed so his customers could drive home. They were claiming the same level of harassment.

Look at the woman in court recently who was denied the right to be euthanised, she could claim harassment for that too.

Plenty of different sections of society could claim harassment and unfair treatment- gay marriage campaigners, abortion campaigners, the list goes on.

And you really think people who smoke are being harassed? Complete nonsense IMO. Tell the truth- will you even notice these pictures in a months time? Because I won't.

EDIT: Forgot to add there that I made plenty of classic clangers in my time, but I never expected sympathy for my stupidity, nor would I ever sympathise with anyone who with the full facts at hand would continue to engage in stupid behaviour.

HalloweenJack · 01-02-2013 11:18AM

They have these warnings in Brazil and Spain and I'd say more people smoke there than they do back home. Can't see it making any real difference.

Sinfonia · 01-02-2013 11:18AM

davet82 wrote: »

would it not be easier to quit with less in your system and also for future smokers with less nicotine in them?

Maybe it would, but I'm inclined to think that any amount of a highly addictive substance will lead to the same behaviour.
People might also be inclined (if forced into a position where each cigarette contained less nicotine) to smoke more, in order to feel they've had their fix.

gurramok · 01-02-2013 11:20AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why are smokers always the ones singled out? They should start putting pictures of obese people with severe medical conditions on the packets of processed foods too while their at it. Over 65% of Irish adults are overweight or obese, and most of those will develop health problems as a result. Over the next 15 years the number of people effected by diabetes is going to treble.

I don't think obesity can infect others in close proximity like smoking can;)

Yeh, reckon obesity will be next. Sure in the last few years we had McD's and BK altering their menus to be more "health friendly". Soft drinks indeed will be also targeted, downing litres of fizzy drinks every day is bad for you, common sense says avoid them.

davet82 · 01-02-2013 11:22AM

Sinfonia wrote: »

Maybe it would, but I'm inclined to think that any amount of a highly addictive substance will lead to the same behaviour.
People might also be inclined (if forced into a position where each cigarette contained less nicotine) to smoke more, in order to feel they've had their fix.

thats a good point but .1mg wouldn't be noticeable but it would probably take 50 years to 'wean' them off and then there would be black market ciggys too so probably a non runner.... ah well

idk how kids are taking up the habit though, who buys them for them and where do they get the money

01-02-2013 11:22AM

I quit a while back but whether I was smoking Irish ones with text, British ones with gangrenous necks or ones with some Polish that I couldn't understand I smoked the same amount all the time, sometimes slightly fewer of the Polish ones as they were a little heavier on the throat. I don't know anyone who was affected by the images, the first time they'd see each one "Oh look at that" and within a week none of them even register anymore. Just another waste of time keeping the right people busy and in employment.

01-02-2013 11:27AM

gurramok wrote: »

I don't think obesity can infect others in close proximity like smoking can;)

Yeh, reckon obesity will be next. Sure in the last few years we had McD's and BK altering their menus to be more "health friendly". Soft drinks indeed will be also targeted, downing litres of fizzy drinks every day is bad for you, common sense says avoid them.

Funny enough obesity does spread like a virus to others, it's a bit of a meme.

cloud493 · 01-02-2013 11:31AM

They already have disgusting pictures on the box. And warning about how terrible smoking is in English and Gaelic. And it doesn't stop me, or anyone I know in fact, so **** off.

My name is URL · 01-02-2013 11:31AM

gurramok wrote: »

I don't think obesity can infect others in close proximity like smoking can;)

It could be argued that because fat parents are more likely to raise fat children, that obesity can infect people in close proximity :P

Run_to_da_hills · 01-02-2013 11:32AM

Talk about double standards.

I doubt the same health authorities will force multinational food producers to GMO label their products or to get the likes of like Kellogg's to depict graphic images of tumorous rats on the front of their cereal packaging.

Graphic new warnings for cigarette packages

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