Ethnic Cleansing in Israel?

My name is URL · 28-01-2013 09:17PM

starlings wrote: »

I do wonder. And I'm appalled by some of Israel's actions. But I won't jump to conclusions. As I've said, I think it's a clusterfvck, and should be unravelled very carefully and objectively.

The following is a list of US vetoed UN Resolutions.. look at how many concern Israel

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html

You can forgive people for being utterly cynical about it being unraveled and objectively examined

starlings · 28-01-2013 09:26PM

My name is URL wrote: »

The following is a list of US vetoed UN Resolutions.. look at how many concern Israel

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html

You can forgive people for being utterly cynical about it being unraveled and objectively examined

indeed. But that's no reason for us to stop being careful and objective.

johnr1 · 28-01-2013 09:54PM

starlings wrote: »

I do wonder. And I'm appalled by some of Israel's actions. But I won't jump to conclusions. As I've said, I think it's a clusterfvck, and should be unravelled very carefully and objectively.

For Fcuk sake!! What do these b*stards have to do to stop first world people with access to education and information apologizing for them????

For evil to prosper, - all it requires is for good men to do nothing... remember that one??

Fox_In_Socks · 28-01-2013 10:12PM

johnr1 wrote: »

For Fcuk sake!! What do these b*stards have to do to stop first world people with access to education and information apologizing for them????

For evil to prosper, - all it requires is for good men to do nothing... remember that one??

What are you personally doing about North Korea?

Augmerson · 28-01-2013 10:26PM

ALL THIS CRITICISM OF ISRAEL IS JUST, IT'S OVER THE LINE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BdT5mFAk-Y

wilson10 · 28-01-2013 10:40PM

I often thought that given the opportunity, if I'd been a GP or district nurse, a bit of similar type "ethnic cleansing" wouldn't go amiss here.

I mean there are those who just shouldn't be allowed the privilege of procreation.

My name is URL · 28-01-2013 10:41PM

wilson10 wrote: »

I often thought that given the opportunity, if I'd been a GP or district nurse, a bit of similar type "ethnic cleansing" wouldn't go amiss here.

I mean there are those who just shouldn't be allowed the privilege of procreation.

You should be telling your mother.. not us.

wilson10 · 28-01-2013 10:47PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You should be telling your mother.. not us.

My mother had the privilege six times and did a great job with it.

Just take a look around you I'm talking about skangers, junkies, dealers and general scumbags.

Do you not think we have enough of them.

starlings · 28-01-2013 10:53PM

johnr1 wrote: »

For Fcuk sake!! What do these b*stards have to do to stop first world people with access to education and information apologizing for them????

For evil to prosper, - all it requires is for good men to do nothing... remember that one??

I'm not apologising for Israel - why and how would I do that since I've never been there and have only read the one article on this instance of forced birth control, the one that started the thread?

When people shout words like ethnic cleansing and genocide, I get cautious. Because anger, justified as it may be, can also allow evil to prosper. I'm horrified at the idea of women being forced or duped into birth control. But it'd be an own goal to confront this with old grievances alone - that's why I was asking for objectivity and care in assessing the matter.

Nodin · 29-01-2013 02:00AM

wilson10 wrote: »

My mother had the privilege six times and did a great job with it.

Just take a look around you I'm talking about skangers, junkies, dealers and general scumbags.

Do you not think we have enough of them.

...this may come as a shock, but they aren't born in shell suits with a spoon and lighter in hand....

Nodin · 29-01-2013 02:00AM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

What are you personally doing about North Korea?

North Korea is under a vast number of sanctions.

Seaneh · 29-01-2013 09:41AM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

What are you personally doing about North Korea?

You mean North Korea who are pretty much the most politically and economically isolated country in the world because of all of the sanctions and trade embargos currently placed on them? The country whos boarders are almost totally closed and who are not currently occupying another nation in defiance of international law for the last several decades?

Because thats a ****ing terrible comparisson.

wilson10 · 29-01-2013 10:38AM

Nodin wrote: »

...this may come as a shock, but they aren't born in shell suits with a spoon and lighter in hand....

Agreed, I'm sure they were all beautiful little innocent babies................ just like their Offspring.

Zebra3 · 29-01-2013 10:52AM

Seaneh wrote: »

They can't change the law, it's in their constitution and it's the same law they use to justify the expansion of settlements in the west bank "we have to build these villages to provide homes for our new citizens".

The bastion of democracy that is the State of Israel doesn't have a constitution.

Their sizeable precentage of religious extremists object to any document deemed to have more authority than the word of God.

:rolleyes:

Seaneh · 29-01-2013 11:11AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The bastion of democracy that is the State of Israel doesn't have a constitution.

Their sizeable precentage of religious extremists object to any document deemed to have more authority than the word of God.

:rolleyes:

Sorry, I meant the Declaration of The State of Israel, which along with the Basic Laws of Israel pretty much acts as the constitution.

Fox_In_Socks · 31-01-2013 01:28PM

Seaneh wrote: »

You mean North Korea who are pretty much the most politically and economically isolated country in the world because of all of the sanctions and trade embargos currently placed on them? The country whos boarders are almost totally closed and who are not currently occupying another nation in defiance of international law for the last several decades?

Because thats a ****ing terrible comparisson.

I meant in human rights abuses, as an example. But if the above is the way that you wish to interpret what I said...more power to you.

However, as regards occupation, then what are you personally doing about /insert nation occupying another nation/

Why is there this fixation on Israel?

Thrill · 31-01-2013 02:24PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

I meant in human rights abuses, as an example. But if the above is the way that you wish to interpret what I said...more power to you.

However, as regards occupation, then what are you personally doing about /insert nation occupying another nation/

Why is there this fixation on Israel?

The thread is about Israel.

Fox_In_Socks · 31-01-2013 02:29PM

Thrill wrote: »

The thread is about Israel.

Fair enough, but I meant in general. I've seen many a protest on the streets about Israel, with many nationalities involved.

Whereas there are just as many causes which don't garner as much support.

Thirdfox · 31-01-2013 02:45PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Fair enough, but I meant in general. I've seen many a protest on the streets about Israel, with many nationalities involved.

Whereas there are just as many causes which don't garner as much support.

Could you imagine what would happen if China had been found to engage in such practice? There would be wall to wall coverage of how scandalous and terrible the Chinese are.

To answer your question - Israel puts itself out to be a civilised, western styled democracy. Ironically China (who would get far greater grievances in relation to such a practice on say the ethnic Tibetans) does not purport to be a western styled democracy and don't share the same values as our government's.

It's also why we don't "care" as much about North Korean abuses over say US abuses - we expect to hear the N. Koreans treat their people badly because they are the "bad guys" but the US put themselves forward as the "good guys" - but good guys are not supposed to abuse or in this case secretly administer contraceptives to "undesired" groups of people.

I'm just surprised I haven't heard more about this story - or if there are any Israeli government responses.

31-01-2013 02:53PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Why is there this fixation on Israel?

Why is there a fixation on Jeffrey Dahmer ?

johnr1 · 31-01-2013 08:41PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

What are you personally doing about North Korea?

What I'm not doing is apologising and excusing them as some posters here are trying to do with Israel

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Why is there this fixation on Israel?

Thirdfox wrote: »

To answer you question - Israel puts itself out to be a civilised, western styled democracy.

This, ^^^^^ and made all the worse by the fact that they themselves were formerly the victims of severe human rights abuses.

Are you aware of the fact that they are largely Europeans and Americans who were parachuted into a country created simply because the west felt sorry for them after WW2 ?
Having a country specially created for people who subscribe to one brand of religion delusion wasn't enough for them, but they then proceed to expand the borders of that country by force and with American backing, displacing and annexing the people who lived in these regions buldozing their homes and denying them basic human rights.

Tell me, what would you do if you were a palestinian?

I know if it were me, I'd fcukin fight them with my last breath, as some of them are doing.

So, Yes, if there is a "fixation" with Israel, it's only because they are mass murdering baby killing bast*rds pretending to be a modern democracy.

But of course, I'll be just called anti semetic for speaking the truth..:rolleyes:

biko · 31-01-2013 08:56PM

That is just ****ed up alright.

My name is URL · 31-01-2013 09:02PM

Not directly related to this story, but UN Human Rights investigators today demanded that Israel halt settlement expansion and withdraw all Jewish settlers from the occupied West Bank

The inquiry was led by French judge Christine Chanet.

She said: "Israel must, in compliance with article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, cease all settlement activities without preconditions.

“It must immediately initiate a process of withdrawal of all settlers from the OPT [occupied Palestinian territories]," Judge Chanet said.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0131/365447-israel-palestine-west-bank/

Madam_X · 31-01-2013 09:09PM

johnr1 wrote: »

What I'm not doing is apologising and excusing them as some posters here are trying to do with Israel

This, ^^^^^ and made all the worse by the fact that they themselves were formerly the victims of severe human rights abuses.

Are you aware of the fact that they are largely Europeans and Americans who were parachuted into a country created simply because the west felt sorry for them after WW2 ?
Having a country specially created for people who subscribe to one brand of religion delusion wasn't enough for them, but they then proceed to expand the borders of that country by force and with American backing, displacing and annexing the people who lived in these regions buldozing their homes and denying them basic human rights.

Huh? Nobody's denying or apologising for the above, just one person said this specific issue re the Depo injections might require further examination before jumping to conclusions...

Ranicand · 31-01-2013 09:16PM

johnr1 wrote: »

But of course, I'll be just called anti semetic for speaking the truth..:rolleyes:

Calling people anti Semitic puts the fear of God in some people.

Using this term slurs the person and rejects the idea of any kind of debate.

Jews have been promoting anti hate laws across all western nations.

We now have a situation that racist states like Israel can kill and bomb who they like and anybody who objects is anti Semitic.

People are even afraid to use the word Jew unless it is too grovel to them.

Israel is a state founded on the idea of Jewish supremacy.

As regards the Palestinians they have killed innocent people too two wrongs don't make a right.

Non violent people that use debate rather then violence are bullied into never disagreeing with the Jewish state of Israel.

This tactic is what turns more and more people away from the Jews and towards the Palestinians.

The real meaning of an Anti Semite is somebody the Jews don't like.

I don't hate anybody nor would I hurt anybody but I do reserve the right to dislike people.

And on the subject of hate speech and antisemitism when a Jew starts speaking I stop listening.

Israel and it's supporters sort your own house out before you try telling the rest of us what to think.

Krusader · 31-01-2013 09:18PM

Genophage

Madam_X · 31-01-2013 09:22PM

Ranicand wrote: »

on the subject of hate speech and antisemitism when a Jew start speaking I stop listening.

Irony.

Nodin · 31-01-2013 09:24PM

Ranicand wrote: »

Calling people anti Semitic puts the fear of God in some people.

Using this term slurs the person and rejects the idea of any kind of debate.

Jews have been promoting anti hate laws across all western nations.

..........

...as have a number of groups. You've some problem with anti-hate laws?

johnr1 · 31-01-2013 09:27PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Huh? Nobody's denying or apologising for the above, just one person said this specific issue re the Depo injections might require further examination before jumping to conclusions...

Yes, you're right, that is what what was said in this thread, but what annoyed me was the assumption of innocence. Assumption of innocence should be reserved for those who don't have a track record like the state of Israel have.
For them, as with habitual criminals, imo, the onus of proof of innocence should be on them.

Also, I haven't become involved in any of the many Israel atrocity threads which have cropped up here recently, but I've read most, and every one has plenty of Israel excusers.

31-01-2013 09:28PM

johnr1 wrote: »

Are you aware of the fact that they are largely Europeans and Americans who were parachuted into a country created simply because the west felt sorry for them after WW2 ?

This is not entirely true, the creation of the modern state of Israel is due to decades of campaigning by the Zionists, led by Theodor Herzl.

Jews migrated from Europe all through the 20th Century, although the process sped up after WWII and immigration went through the roof.

Ethnic Cleansing in Israel?

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