Ethnic Cleansing in Israel?

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Israel admits forcing birth control shots on Ethiopian women

After Israel was accused of forcing Ethiopian women to accept injections of the contraceptive Depo-Provera in an attempt to lower birth rates among black immigrants, an official has for the first time admitted use of the drug among Ethiopian women.

In a letter to the Israeli Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu, Sharona Eliahu-Chai of the Association of Civil Rights in Israel, demanded that the Israeli health authorities stop administering the injections immediately. The letter also demanded that the authorities conduct an investigation into allegations stemming from the practice.

The Association of Civil Rights in Israel is a group that represents several women’s rights and Ethiopian immigrants’ groups.

The National reports that Hedva Eyal, project coordinator of a women's rights research group, said in Haifa: "I believe there is a deliberate targeting of these [Ethiopian] women."

According to The National, Eyal and other activists say that the birth rate in the Ethiopian community in Israel has halved in the past 10 years. Eyal's civil rights group and six others have asked the Israeli health ministry to explain the widespread use of Depo-Provera injections among Ethiopians.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/342250

I wonder how they'll spin their way out of this one...

Funny how history has a tendency to repeat itself.

In before the cries of Antisemitism =p

inforfun

Since when is birth control ethnic cleansing?

hyperborean

inforfun wrote: »

Since when is birth control ethnic cleansing?

When it is given to a specific population without their consent or KNowledge!

Bannasidhe

inforfun wrote: »

Since when is birth control ethnic cleansing?

Let me make this simple for you.

If you prevent members of a specific ethnic group from having babies...see where this is going?

My name is URL

inforfun wrote: »

Since when is birth control ethnic cleansing?

What would you call it, oh wise one?

Logical_Bear

My name is URL wrote: »

In before the cries of Hasbara shills =p

FYP

seamus

It's straight up genocide.

I'm surprised we're not seeing more coverage of this. The UN should be getting involved and bringing a major criminal trial against the Israeli government.

Ush1

I'm suprised Israel lets Ethiopians in as they don't give a f*ck what anyone else thinks.

seanmacc

seamus wrote: »

It's straight up genocide.

I'm surprised we're not seeing more coverage of this. The UN should be getting involved and bringing a major criminal trial against the Israeli government.

They should. The problem being is whenever Israel gets held to account for anything they send a couple of Apache helicopters in to blow the sh*t out of the Gaza Strip or South Lebanon to take attention away from it.

Czarcasm

The amount of Israel threads in AH are enough to fill a forum all of it's own.

If the catholic church would stop encouraging unsafe sex in Ethiopia would they too be accused of ethnic cleansing?

Wacker The Attacker

seamus wrote: »

It's straight up genocide.

I'm surprised we're not seeing more coverage of this. The UN should be getting involved and bringing a major criminal trial against the Israeli government.

You probably shouldnt be

4zn76tysfajdxp

Czarcasm wrote: »

If the catholic church would stop encouraging unsafe sex in Ethiopia would they too be accused of ethnic cleansing?

There's a slight difference between encouraging safe sex and forced, secretly given contraception.

woodoo

Why is this not major news. If germany was at it or america or any other western country it would be massive news.

mackg

woodoo wrote: »

Why is this not major news. If germany was at it or america or any other western country it would be massive news.

I agree with this, I will be home from work in time for the news at 6 and will be very interested to see where this fits into the programme.

Iwannahurl

The state of Israel as we know it today was built on the back of ethnic cleansing, so no surprise here I would think.

Zebra3

Makes a change from them keeping down the Palestinian population by demolishing their houses, keeping their women in labour at checkpoints for hours and the good old reliable carpet bombing!

woodoo

I wonder will fox news be running this as their top story?
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Doubt it.

hyperborean

woodoo wrote: »

I wonder will fox news be running this as their top story?
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Doubt it.

Dont be suprised if they run a story on these pesky ethiopians..... some sort of terrorist connection.

Iwannahurl

Zebra3 wrote: »

Makes a change from them keeping down the Palestinian population by demolishing their houses, keeping their women in labour at checkpoints for hours and the good old reliable carpet bombing!

I heard an anti-occupation activist claim recently that Palestinians make up 50% of the population of Israel (if Gaza and the West Bank are included, presumably).

Does that seem likely?

Zebra3

The weird thing is that Israel airlifted about 40,000 Ethiopians that they deemed to be jewish enough during the famines in the 1980s.

Odd that they're now turned on them.

studiorat

Lots of people very willing to believe what the read without any evidence.

Why are people so easily believing 3 year old story that originates in the UAE?

Why use a contraceptive that only lasts 3 months for "ethnic cleansing"?

Why has the Health Ministry Director General instructed hospitals to stop using the drug last week?

Looks like peoples bias is getting in the way of their common sense. As usual...

statesaver

You stay classy racist state of Israel

pickarooney

They're actually forcibly preventing expansion of the Jewish population?

Seachmall

Devil's Advocate:

Why do we have an irrevocable right to pop out a young'un?

The government reserves the right to take your kids from you but doesn't have the right to stop you from having kids? That's just a recipe for disaster.

It seems to me to be one of those "you have it because you have it" things but I can't think of a logical argument for it. It intuitively makes sense you should have that right but that's obviously not an argument.

Anyone?

Zebra3

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I heard an anti-occupation activist claim recently that Palestinians make up 50% of the population of Israel (if Gaza and the West Bank are included, presumably).

Does that seem likely?

Yep.

Israel has illegally annexed Occupied East Jeruslam and the Occupied Golan Heights as it gives them more lebensraum with the right population "balance". Nice democracy, eh? :rolleyes:

The so-called big withdrawl from Gaza (of remember, illegal colonialists) was simply an economic decision to move them out of Gaza and into the West Bank and eventually doubling the amount of criminal land stealers in the WB with the plan to eventually grab as much of the WB as possible while condemning Gaza to hell.

With the illegal apartheid wall built into the WB and the ghettoization of Gaza, their plan worked for them.

The West meanwhile punish Israel by, em, increasing trade instead of dishing out sanctions.

Odd to say the least. :rolleyes:

Iwannahurl

Zebra3 wrote: »

The weird thing is that Israel airlifted about 40,000 Ethiopians that they deemed to be jewish enough during the famines in the 1980s.

Odd that they're now turned on them.

They were looking a bit pale at the time ... but eventually regained their usual colour.

Nodin

studiorat wrote: »

Lots of people (.......)common sense. As usual...

From the Israeli press

A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.
Health Minister Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu has instructed the four health maintenance organizations to stop the practice as a matter of course. The ministry and other state agencies had previously denied knowledge or responsibility for the practice, which was first reported five years ago. Gamzu's letter instructed "all gynecologists in the HMOs not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment." Gamzu also instructed physicians to avail themselves of translators if need be.
Gamzu's letter came in response to a letter from Sharona Eliahu-Chai of the Association of Civil Rights in Israel, representing several women's rights and Ethiopian immigrants' groups. The letter demanded the injections cease immediately and that an investigation be launched into the practice

Furthermore

About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women's testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel's Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/state-admits-problematic-birth-control-shots-for-ethiopian-women-1.496664

seamus

Seachmall wrote: »

Why do we have an irrevocable right to pop out a young'un?

Because strictly speaking, we exist to procreate. Therefore to forcibly prevent procreation is to deny a person the very essence of existence.

Philosophically all humans are born equal, therefore saving any actions on a person's part that would warrant restriction of their rights (like committing a crime), no individual or government has the authority to remove rights from one person or group of people discriminately.

Bad Santa

I wish they'd inject some into that Yazoo drink.

Nodin

pickarooney wrote: »

They're actually forcibly preventing expansion of the Jewish population?

They'd presumably state that these were the wrong kind of Jews. Its the inevitable consequence of harping on about a 'jewish' state. Certain parties will seek to control the narrative of what is and is not Jewish and maintain hegemony in that manner.

Spunge

Zebra3 wrote: »

The weird thing is that Israel airlifted about 40,000 Ethiopians that they deemed to be jewish enough during the famines in the 1980s.

Odd that they're now turned on them.

40,000. No more, no less.

dees99

The article does not say they were forced to take it, the article says Israel was accused of forcing them.

Israel has admitted using the depo on these women, there is no evidence to suggest they were forced or it was carried out secretly and unknown to the victim.

Seachmall

seamus wrote: »

Because strictly speaking, we exist to procreate. Therefore to forcibly prevent procreation is to deny a person the very essence of existence.

That rings too much of an appeal to nature for me.

Just because it's what we're born to do (in a purely natural sense) doesn't make it unassailable in my opinion.

Sir Gallagher

Clicked into this thread thinking it was promoting Jewish face wash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI

Duiske

seamus wrote: »

It's straight up genocide.

I'm surprised we're not seeing more coverage of this. The UN should be getting involved and bringing a major criminal trial against the Israeli government.

There will be a draft resolution brought before the UN about this, most likely by Russia. The US will be pretty much silent about it until it come's to a vote, at which point they will veto it as they have done with every resolution since the inception of the UN that dares cast criticism on Israel.

snubbleste

Indonesia used depo-provera to sterlise women in the now independent East Timor. The women did not realise they'd had the injections as it was given to them as part of another medical procedure.

statesaver

dees99 wrote: »

The article does not say they were forced to take it, the article says Israel was accused of forcing them.

Israel has admitted using the depo on these women, there is no evidence to suggest they were forced or it was carried out secretly and unknown to the victim.

So the women volenteered to take. Don't remember reading that

seamus

Seachmall wrote: »

That rings too much of an appeal to nature for me.

Just because it's what we're born to do (in a purely natural sense) doesn't make it unassailable in my opinion.

It's not exactly the same thing. An appeal to nature upholds that something is good or right because it's "natural". I didn't say whether procreation was good or right, simply asserting the fact that the only goal of all life is to procreate. So to prevent procreation undermines the reason for existing in the first place.

But that's a reductionist, ridiculous point of view. Your question is philosophical/ethical rather than biological.

starlings

Seachmall wrote: »

Devil's Advocate:

Why do we have an irrevocable right to pop out a young'un?

The government reserves the right to take your kids from you but doesn't have the right to stop you from having kids? That's just a recipe for disaster.

It seems to me to be one of those "you have it because you have it" things but I can't think of a logical argument for it. It intuitively makes sense you should have that right but that's obviously not an argument.

Anyone?

UN declaration of Human Rights:

"Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution."

I can't think of a logical argument against it. As you've noted, the government can take children away from parents who can't/won't look after them, but how can their neglect or abuse be proven in advance?

P_1

So in the State of Israel all Jews are equal, however some Jews are more equal than others?

Sorry couldn't resist an Orwell reference

Seaneh

Zebra3 wrote: »

The weird thing is that Israel airlifted about 40,000 Ethiopians that they deemed to be jewish enough during the famines in the 1980s.

Odd that they're now turned on them.

There are still camps in Ethiopia where Ethiopian Jews can present themselves and if they can prove they are Jewish they are given Israeli passports and flown to Tel Aviv, the process takes about 2 months and while they wait they live in the camps. It's in these camps that the injections start.

Since the 80's over 100,000 Ethiopian Jews have moved to Israel using this method.


Anyway, as seamus said, this is straight up Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing, but that shouldn't surprise anyone, Israel was built on both and continues to do both to Palestinians (both inside Israel and in Gaza and the West Bank).

Anyone who isn't a white European/Ashkenazi isn't "the right colour" for Israel.

Ush1

Seaneh wrote: »

There are still camps in Ethiopia where Ethiopian Jews can present themselves and if they can prove they are Jewish they are given Israeli passports and flown to Tel Aviv, the process takes about 2 months and while they wait they live in the camps. It's in these camps that the injections start.

Since the 80's over 100,000 Ethiopian Jews have moved to Israel using this method.


Anyway, as seamus said, this is straight up Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing, but that shouldn't surprise anyone, Israel was built on both and continues to do both to Palestinians (both inside Israel and in Gaza and the West Bank).

Anyone who isn't a white European/Ashkenazi isn't "the right colour" for Israel.

Why would they allow them in at all then?

You reckon they might want to round up all non euro descent jews and kill them rather than just not allowing them in to Israel? Genuine question.

snubbleste

Ush1 wrote: »

Why would they allow them in at all then?
You reckon they might want to round up all non euro descent jews and kill them rather than just not allowing them in to Israel? Genuine question.

Because Israel has a law of return that allows any Jew to emigrate to the 'homeland'

Seaneh

Ush1 wrote: »

Why would they allow them in at all then?

You reckon they might want to round up all non euro descent jews and kill them rather than just not allowing them in to Israel? Genuine question.

See the post below yours.

They can't deny them "right of return" under Israeli law, so they allow them to return and then allow them to die off, much easier and less messy than rounding them all up and killing them.

starlings

Seaneh wrote: »

See the post below yours.

They can't deny them "right of return" under Israeli law, so they allow them to return and then allow them to die off, much easier and less messy than rounding them all up and killing them.

surely it would be easier for them to change their own law than get into eugenics?

Seaneh

P_1 wrote: »

So in the State of Israel all Jews are equal, however some Jews are more equal than others?

Sorry couldn't resist an Orwell reference

That's always been true though.

Ethiopian Jew's are excluded from receiving housing from the Housing Committee as well.

Then you have the fact that Arab Israeli's have 7 stars on their ID Cards and Passports to identify them as Arab. There used to be the word ARAB stamped on the ID's but a court case was brought against the government. So instead of the word arab, they have 7 stars.


Israel is a profoundly racist country both institutionally and publicly.

Have a watch of this video, it's sickening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-y24SzbCY

Seaneh

starlings wrote: »

surely it would be easier for them to change their own law than get into eugenics?

They can't change the law, it's in their constitution and it's the same law they use to justify the expansion of settlements in the west bank "we have to build these villages to provide homes for our new citizens".

Grayson

Seachmall wrote: »

Devil's Advocate:

Why do we have an irrevocable right to pop out a young'un?

The government reserves the right to take your kids from you but doesn't have the right to stop you from having kids? That's just a recipe for disaster.

It seems to me to be one of those "you have it because you have it" things but I can't think of a logical argument for it. It intuitively makes sense you should have that right but that's obviously not an argument.

Anyone?

That's an interesting point. Do we have a right to have children. And i can see arguments both ways.

BUT if we have a right to, then everyone has a right to. When you target just black people, that's wrong.

starlings

Seaneh wrote: »

They can't change the law, it's in their constitution and it's the same law they use to justify the expansion of settlements in the west bank "we have to build these villages to provide homes for our new citizens".

Then they could have a referendum. It strikes me as a series of ad hoc measures rather than the final solution you're inferring. Correct me if I've misunderstood you.

inforfun

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Let me make this simple for you.

If you prevent members of a specific ethnic group from having babies...see where this is going?

My name is URL wrote: »

What would you call it, oh wise one?

Well, I read in the article "Lower the birth rate" not prevent any births at all.

Sterilizing people before they have kids might turn into genocide/ethnic cleansing.
Giving birth control to people after they have had kids already is just what it says: birth control.

Nodin

inforfun wrote: »

Well, I read in the article "Lower the birth rate" not prevent any births at all.

Sterilizing people before they have kids might turn into genocide/ethnic cleansing.
Giving birth control to people after they have had kids already is just what it says: birth control.

Not when its targeted at a very specific group, no.