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Aspergers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    My little boy is being assessed for Aspergers soon. He has a few symptoms like he's extremely intolerant to noises like the hoover, hairdryer drilling etc but he's very affectionate. I'd like to know if he has a certain condition just so I can help him more and understand him more, but I think people get too bogged down with labels these days. I could not care less if he has it he is just unique :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Trying to get a diagnoses as an adult is next to impossible everything is aimed at children.

    And this in my view is absolutely moronic. People change wildly throughout their teen years - and that's before you consider the fact that as I pointed out, most kids have been taught not to be too open with complete strangers. Coupled with the fact that most kids are smarter than adults give them credit for and know they're being "studied" or "observed", I imagine a vast number of child "disorders" are woefully misdiagnosed. However, such misdiagnosis and the subsequent labelling, boxing, even sometimes drugging which follows, in all possibility then creates actual problems later in life.

    IMO trying to get a good idea of how someone's mind works before they're at least in their mid to late teens is hopelessly pointless and in all probability also extremely dangerous psychologically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ziggy23 wrote: »
    My little boy is being assessed for Aspergers soon. He has a few symptoms like he's extremely intolerant to noises like the hoover, hairdryer drilling etc but he's very affectionate. I'd like to know if he has a certain condition just so I can help him more and understand him more, but I think people get too bogged down with labels these days. I could not care less if he has it he is just unique :)

    I had this as a kid as well and in my case it was something called "hyperacusis", which is actually an abnormality in the ear, either caused by slightly weaker bones around the ear (leading to more sound getting through) or an excess of "hair cells" (the nerves which actually receive sound input).

    If he's affectionate then he probably doesn't have AS.Intolerance to noise might just mean he has very strong hearing. And it could, in my case, also mean he'll eventually be able to play musical instruments completely by ear, which is a gift I am immensely thankful for and has made my life a bajillion times more fun than it otherwise would be :D

    All this is just my opinion, but IMO don't label kids before they're in late adolescence, at the earliest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    Did the test, seems I have aspegers. Used to just think I was a nerd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ranicand wrote: »
    I have taken that test and others here is one of my results.

    I don't have an official diagnosis I am trying my best to get one.

    Where does one take that test you linked an image of? I've seen it before but can't remember where


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Trying to get a diagnoses as an adult is next to impossible everything is aimed at children.

    Because the symptoms tend to deminish with age and sufferers tend to learn the basics of social interaction in their own way, so that although they are still socially awkward they learn to function to a certain degree. Although I think that being examined should be available for everybody regardless of age, I can understand why the focus is on children.
    Karsini wrote: »
    For me, before I knew anything about Aspergers I used to believe I was a freak, and that was the word I'd use to describe myself. After that I began to realise that there may be an explanation for it. I found it really difficult to find someone who was willing to help me with getting a diagnosis (or not, as the case may be) so I just didn't bother in the end.

    This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Aspergers is not an umbrella term for people who are weird/different/freaks/whatever, but people who are weird.different/freaks/whatever read about it and think "Ah, that explains it! I have aspergers!".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Where does one take that test you linked an image of? I've seen it before but can't remember where

    I can not remember either that result has been I my desktop for ages now.


  • Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone who's been diagnosed with AS, I urge you to take the following survey:
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html

    I scored 19. The average is 18 for people without AS, those who have AS usually score in excess of 32.
    I definitely don't have AS but I had a go and I scored 35 :/
    Ranicand wrote: »
    Trying to get a diagnoses as an adult is next to impossible everything is aimed at children.
    But there is undoubtedly a tendency for some people to excuse behaviour they're not happy with by saying they're "pretty sure" they must have AS. I had a boyfriend once who, sometimes when he did anything socially awkward, would say "Ah, sure me and my mum have always though I have a touch of the aspergers". I don't think it's very respectful to people who have to live with AS to go around quoting "a touch of" aspergers as an excuse for why they're not super popular.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ranicand wrote: »
    I can not remember either that result has been I my desktop for ages now.

    http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

    My result was:
    Your Aspie score: 131 of 200
    Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 70 of 200
    You are very likely an Aspie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    I had this as a kid as well and in my case it was something called "hyperacusis", which is actually an abnormality in the ear, either caused by slightly weaker bones around the ear (leading to more sound getting through) or an excess of "hair cells" (the nerves which actually receive sound input).

    If he's affectionate then he probably doesn't have AS.Intolerance to noise might just mean he has very strong hearing. And it could, in my case, also mean he'll eventually be able to play musical instruments completely by ear, which is a gift I am immensely thankful for and has made my life a bajillion times more fun than it otherwise would be :D

    All this is just my opinion, but IMO don't label kids before they're in late adolescence, at the earliest.

    Thanks for your reply yes I was looking at hyperacusis too. He's has been lik this with noise since he was a baby but recently he got his ears drained and grommits put in and he has gotten worse with the noise.
    It's funny you should mention the music part, he LOVES music and can pick up a tune extremely quickly including Bohemian Rhapsody:D
    Out of curiosity how is Hyeracusis diagnosed? And I agree I wouldnt dream of labelling him now he's only 3 so is way too early for any diagnosis.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    I know a couple of people with Asperger's. I really like them, can relate to them, and think they come across well. But then people I know familiar with it say they think I have it myself and I scored 38 on that AQ test. [That surprised me really as I thought my answers would score much lower]. That's not a way of excusing being an arsehole btw; I dont think I'm an arsehole and most people seem to like me well enough!

    The book Freaks, Geeks and Asperger Syndrome is highly recommended, though I haven't read it myself. One thing I've been told is that people with Asperger's find it less likely to cause them problems the older they get. My understanding is that they're quite happy and able to learn how to understand the sorts of behaviours that other people get more instinctively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ziggy23 wrote: »
    My little boy is being assessed for Aspergers soon. He has a few symptoms like he's extremely intolerant to noises like the hoover, hairdryer drilling etc but he's very affectionate. I'd like to know if he has a certain condition just so I can help him more and understand him more, but I think people get too bogged down with labels these days. I could not care less if he has it he is just unique :)

    Does he really need to be assesed, We all have our kinks growing up and even as adults, I was never a fan of the Hoover or hairdryer and I can be pretty intolerant when I get going.
    He sounds like a normal young chap, he'll grow up and adjust to those things as he gets older. The last thing I'd be doing is giving him medication or paying for therapy.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    orestes wrote: »
    This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Aspergers is not an umbrella term for people who are weird/different/freaks/whatever, but people who are weird.different/freaks/whatever read about it and think "Ah, that explains it! I have aspergers!".

    So I'm an "arsehole" then? (in your words)

    As I said already, I looked into support options but ran into the same brick wall as Ranicand did, in that there's very little out there for adults. I didn't just sit there and say I have it - I never said I did, just that I suspect it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Karsini wrote: »
    http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

    My result was:
    Your Aspie score: 131 of 200
    Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 70 of 200
    You are very likely an Aspie

    thanks for posting this test,I do have a diagnosis of AS and found this test interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    Does he really need to be assesed, We all have our kinks growing up and even as adults, I was never a fan of the Hoover or hairdryer and I can be pretty intolerant when I get going.
    He sounds like a normal young chap, he'll grow up and adjust to those things as he gets older. The last thing I'd be doing is giving him medication or paying for therapy.

    Hiya the health nurse referred him to the early intervention clinic. He's not specifically being assessed for Aspergers but it's one of the things they'll be looking out for as well as Autism and ADHD.He has had speech problems too so I think they just link it all in together. He has been on the waiting list for a year and in that time he has improved alot apart from the noise issue.To be honest I dont think he has Aspergers but it's no harm to get him assessed. They do it through play so he'll actually enjoy it I'd say. Yes I think he's just a 'spirited' little boy. He's a great kid :D
    Oh and btw I wouldn't dream of putting him on medication :O


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ziggy23 wrote: »
    Thanks for your reply yes I was looking at hyperacusis too. He's has been lik this with noise since he was a baby but recently he got his ears drained and grommits put in and he has gotten worse with the noise.
    It's funny you should mention the music part, he LOVES music and can pick up a tune extremely quickly including Bohemian Rhapsody:D
    Out of curiosity how is Hyeracusis diagnosed? And I agree I wouldnt dream of labelling him now he's only 3 so is way too early for any diagnosis.

    To be honest I self-diagnosed mine purely based on the fact that my hearing is a good 3 or 4 times stronger than anyone else I know in terms of distance. I actually get woken up at night by the sounds of cars driving 3 or 4 roads away from my house. Fall asleep in a busy room or with a TV blaring? Not a hope.
    I also hear things that almost nobody else does. Like I'm usually the one to say "Was that the doorbell?" when we're watching something loud and no one else noticed it. I have to wear earplugs in nightclubs and even then step outside every half hour or so because I just can't hack the volume level at all, and when I share headphones with someone else (one earphone each kind of thing) it never works since my iphone's volume becomes intolerable for me at about 25% when a lot of my mates can't hear it at all below 40 :D

    I personally wouldn't recommend getting it "treated" as I can only imagine 'treating' it by somehow lowering hearing threshold would have the side effect of wrecking your ability to perceive music in the same way. It gets better as your get older - I haven't run from the house at the sound of a food processor since I was age 10 or so :D - but some things like sirens and motorbike engines will probably always make me jam my hands over my ears until they're gone :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ziggy23 wrote: »
    To be honest I dont think he has Aspergers but it's no harm to get him assessed.

    Potentially. The harm would come from labelling or treating him differently because of it. Being a naive kid like I was, simply being told I had a 'syndrome' upset me as at the time I'd only ever heard the word used in the context of people who have a serious illness, and for a good few months I woke up every morning looking at myself in the mirror and thinking "seriously man, there's nothing wrong with you just ignore it, you're grand" :/
    Can be very upsetting at that age to learn that you are "scientifically" considered unusual. Or maybe that was just me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Karsini wrote: »
    So I'm an "arsehole" then? (in your words)

    As I said already, I looked into support options but ran into the same brick wall as Ranicand did, in that there's very little out there for adults. I didn't just sit there and say I have it - I never said I did, just that I suspect it.

    Poor eye contact
    Can not hug kiss cheer clap.
    Got bullied and taken advantage of.

    Obsessed with subjects like computers and the Universe.

    I stim.
    I have OCD.
    Handwriting is poor.

    I find it difficult to tell when people are joking or serious.

    Sounds go through me and lots of movement gets me very stressed and flustered.
    I have a strong sense of right and wrong and I go into rages inside when people break rules.

    I engage in long monologs on narrow subjects.

    Now I knew all this about myself before I even heard about Aspergers.

    I don't think I have a touch of it I have the bloody works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    To be honest I self-diagnosed mine purely based on the fact that my hearing is a good 3 or 4 times stronger than anyone else I know in terms of distance. I actually get woken up at night by the sounds of cars driving 3 or 4 roads away from my house. Fall asleep in a busy room or with a TV blaring? Not a hope.
    I also hear things that almost nobody else does. Like I'm usually the one to say "Was that the doorbell?" when we're watching something loud and no one else noticed it. I have to wear earplugs in nightclubs and even then step outside every half hour or so because I just can't hack the volume level at all, and when I share headphones with someone else (one earphone each kind of thing) it never works since my iphone's volume becomes intolerable for me at about 25% when a lot of my mates can't hear it at all below 40 :D

    I personally wouldn't recommend getting it "treated" as I can only imagine 'treating' it by somehow lowering hearing threshold would have the side effect of wrecking your ability to perceive music in the same way. It gets better as your get older - I haven't run from the house at the sound of a food processor since I was age 10 or so :D - but some things like sirens and motorbike engines will probably always make me jam my hands over my ears until they're gone :p

    Yes I suppose he's only a baby still and he'll get used to it over time I must do some more research on it I thought it had to be treated. He actually loves the noise of sirens its just kind of white noise he hates. He actually gets hysterical its very distressing for him:( but hey I have an excuse for not hoovering my house:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Karsini wrote: »
    So I'm an "arsehole" then? (in your words)

    As I said already, I looked into support options but ran into the same brick wall as Ranicand did, in that there's very little out there for adults. I didn't just sit there and say I have it - I never said I did, just that I suspect it.

    No, I said a lot of people who claim to have aspergers use it to qualify being arseholes and used your post as a general example. You didn't claim to have aspergers, but a lot of people read about it and go one step further than you did and just diagnose themselves with it to excuse their behaviour.

    Thinking you might have aspergers, or actually having aspergers, is not the same thing as being socially awkward and saying "I can't help being this way, I have aspergers!".

    Self-diagnosing yourself with a condition and using it to validate being anti-social and difficult to deal with is being an arsehole.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    Potentially. The harm would come from labelling or treating him differently because of it. Being a naive kid like I was, simply being told I had a 'syndrome' upset me as at the time I'd only ever heard the word used in the context of people who have a serious illness, and for a good few months I woke up every morning looking at myself in the mirror and thinking "seriously man, there's nothing wrong with you just ignore it, you're grand" :/
    Can be very upsetting at that age to learn that you are "scientifically" considered unusual. Or maybe that was just me.

    He is only 3 so I wouldnt be explaining Aspergers to him. I understand where you are coming from though and part of me thinks I shouldn't bring him but then if a health professional recommended it I probably shouldn't ignore that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Kids doing you a favour, he's a bloke true and true, no interest in hairdryer or Hoover.
    ADD is normal as well, I would have been medicated up to the eyeballs if it had of been invented 20 years ago. He gets bored easily and gets giddy, that's normal for people who get bored easily.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    orestes wrote: »
    No, I said a lot of people who claim to have aspergers use it to qualify being arseholes and used your post as a general example. You didn't claim to have aspergers, but a lot of people read about it and go one step further than you did and just diagnose themselves with it to excuse their behaviour.

    Thinking you might have aspergers, or actually having aspergers, is not the same thing as being socially awkward and saying "I can't help being this way, I have aspergers!".

    Self-diagnosing yourself with a condition and using it to validate being anti-social and difficult to deal with is being an arsehole.

    That's fair enough, sorry if I came across that way. I wouldn't ever use it as a defence or an excuse though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    orestes does my post sound like I have a touch of ASS BURGERS to cover up being a bit antisocial?

    I am also a little clumsy and I have to carefully check my spelling before posting and if I am even the slightest bit angry my spelling will be all over the place.

    Even after checking I still miss stuff.

    Typing fast I tend to put in THE instead of THEM and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    Kids doing you a favour, he's a bloke true and true, no interest in hairdryer or Hoover.
    ADD is normal as well, I would have been medicated up to the eyeballs if it had of been invented 20 years ago. He gets bored easily and gets giddy, that's normal for people who get bored easily.

    Thats true:D
    It would be far more likely he has ADHD than Aspergers but tbh I think he is just a normal hyper toddler with the attention span of a fly! I think medication is just in extreme cases. He wears me out but he is manageable. I'm used to his routines and quirks now and I wouldn't want anyone stepping in and trying to change him. It is tough though especially when other people butt in and question some of the things he does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    pookiesboo wrote: »
    I was watching The Undateables last night on Channel 4 and a girl on it had it

    That girl was beautiful, shame the way her OCD had ruined her life


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Ranicand wrote: »
    orestes does my post sound like I have a touch of ASS BURGERS to cover up being a bit antisocial?

    I am also a little clumsy and I have to carefully check my spelling before posting and if I am even the slightest bit angry my spelling will be all over the place.

    Even after checking I still miss stuff.

    Typing fast I tend to put in THE instead of THEM and so on.

    I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm just talking in generalities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ziggy23 wrote: »
    It is tough though especially when other people butt in and question some of the things he does.


    I wouldn't worry too much about him unless his name is Dara. Seemingly he was knocking the bejesus out of my 3yr old niece the other day in play school giving her belly belts as she calls them. Can only imagine what your nurse would recommend for that, Electric Chair?

    Don't mind what other people think, he's going to change a lot over the next few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Musefan


    Hi just wanted to post here. I am currently a trainee psychologist with experience in the ID sector.

    The test that some of you have taken online was never intended to be a diagnostic tool, but rather something used to indicate particular autistic type behaviours. Research using this test has been shown for it to be not that reliable in terms of diagnostics. It's also a forced choice questionnaire, and does not take into account the context of the situation. For example "I am not good at remembering phone numbers"...Can you tell me a situation where you would have to push yourself to remember one given we can google numbers & store them on our phones etc.

    Think of it in terms of the introvert-extrovert scale. We can be a little introverted, a lot introverted, extroverted sometimes. When someone is 3/4 of the way along to being extremely introverted, we do not stop to say "you have a introversion disorder". The autism quotient simply reflects how we describe our behaviour at one point in time.

    If you would like to see if you have a diagnosed, persist with asking your GP to be referred to a psychologist or psychiatrist (you may have to go private-services are very stressed and most will be diagnosed as children). Neuropsychological tests can be used to diagnose the condition, and it has to be diagnosed according to DSM IV criteria http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html

    Trinity runs a great AS support service and they have some videos up about living with AS. It's an interesting perspective. I would urge you not to self diagnose, because you limit yourself in accessing proper support systems. If you do self diagnose and you feel you have aspergers but you are not distressed by it, then there is no need to seek a formal diagnosis.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    Your Aspie score: 130 of 200
    Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 92 of 200
    You are very likely an Aspie

    Dont know what the graph means: http://www.rdos.net/eng/poly12c.php?p1=94&p2=60&p3=66&p4=67&p5=60&p6=66&p7=66&p8=61&p9=51&p10=21&p11=47&p12=21


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