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Aspergers

  • 30-01-2013 09:52PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Having the condition and not knowing it for most of my life has been a nightmare.

    For those that don't know Aspergers is best describe as high functioning Autism.
    Many people with the condition do not get diagnosed until they are adults or middle aged.

    It causes black and white thinking something is right or wrong gray areas are a bit tricky.

    The condition is masked by normal or above normal IQ.

    Sensory overload is another problem noises lights and lot's of movement like crowds or traffic can be very stressful.

    Two questions how important is body language eye contact?

    Also do you know anybody with the condition and how do they come across.

    I have found this useful.
    http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~alistair/survival/index.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Ranicand wrote: »

    It causes black and white thinking something is right or wrong gray areas are a bit tricky.

    Causes Irishness by the sounds of it, carry on and keep calm your perfectly normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭pookiesboo


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Having the condition and not knowing it for most of my life has been a nightmare.

    For those that don't know Aspergers is best describe as high functioning Autism.
    Many people with the condition do not get diagnosed until they are adults or middle aged.

    It causes black and white thinking something is right or wrong gray areas are a bit tricky.

    The condition is masked by normal or above normal IQ.

    Sensory overload is another problem noises lights and lot's of movement like crowds or traffic can be very stressful.

    Two questions how important is body language eye contact?

    Also do you know anybody with the condition and how do they come across.

    I have found this useful.
    http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~alistair/survival/index.html


    I was watching The Undateables last night on Channel 4 and a girl on it had it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having a genuine understanding of the broader topic.

    That pretty much describes everyone on the internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl



    Causes Irishness by the sounds of it, carry on and keep calm your perfectly normal.
    Not sure standard AH type answers will be helpful to the OP, who has asked reasonable questions about real problems... Perhaps a little seriousness on this one?

    Op, if I were you I'd post again in another forum. After hoursians might be helpful, but they may just annoy you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    I know a few people with Aspergers. They all try really hard once diagnosed not to let it control them. One thing I've found is that the people with a really good handle on it will tell others to tell them if they're doing anything weird or strange. One guy says he won't know if he's doing something that's offputting to others, so just tell him and he'll make an attempt to figure out the situation and at the least make other people more comfortable even if he doesn't fully understand why they would be.

    Unfortunately the illness has been dragged through the mud by internet dicks claiming it as a defense for any crappy behaviour they exhibit. All the aspies* I talk to would never use it as a defense but merely say, "I didn't understand and realise. Explain to me what I was doing and I'll try and figure it out."


    Also, "aspies" have been reclaiming that word for years. The biggest forum online is names itself aspies. It's become a badge of honour thing now.


    Edit:
    endacl wrote: »
    Op, if I were you I'd post again in another forum. After hoursians might be helpful, but they may just annoy you.

    I disagree. We have a depression thread. I don't think this will stick around for as long but it's worth it for the while to help people out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    I think they recently declared that Aspergers didn't exist.

    So, eh, yeah.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    You will probably have a much better time if you have a night out with friends rather than if you go out alone

    Thats where Ive been going wrong all these years!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    I think they recently declared that Aspergers didn't exist.

    So, eh, yeah.

    Not really. They just reclassified it under another name. For the people who were properly diagnosed it won't make any difference. And it shouldn't make any difference for doctors who are capable of making good diagnoses in the future.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whenever I read something about a person with Aspergers I think "that's me." I'm not officially diagnosed but a lot of it adds up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    endacl wrote: »
    Perhaps a little seriousness on this one?

    He's having a hard time accepting he's Irish, hold on and I get my Violin and we'll knock together a tune.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    I think they recently declared that Aspergers didn't exist.

    So, eh, yeah.
    You'd be wrong, it's simply being classified under the autism spectrum...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    For a minute I thought somebody had started a thread about asparagus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 352 ✭✭Best username ever


    At least it's not arse-burgers, that's the worst thing ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭dmc17


    At least it's not arse-burgers, that's the worst thing ever.

    Second worst to arse-burglers ;)


  • Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Two questions how important is body language eye contact?

    Also do you know anybody with the condition and how do they come across.

    Body language is very important to me, but eye contact isn't.

    I've known quite a few people with AS but one in particular is worth mentioning. He used to come across as extremely on-edge in social situations, to the point that he'd try too hard and to be honest end up making people (me in particular at the time) quite uncomfortable. College completely changed him, and he put a lot of work into becoming the person he wanted to be as well at the time, and now you'd never notice anything odd about his behaviour, if anything he's one of the most sociable, personable people I know. I don't think I've ever seen such a marked change in anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    He's having a hard time accepting he's Irish, hold on and I get my Violin and we'll knock together a tune.

    Cute.

    OP you are in the wrong forum here.

    Your post deserves a better response than this inane drivel. Mods please move thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭ArtyM


    Did you not start a thread very recently just like this OP - one that went.....less than swimmingly?
    I could be wrong, sorry if I am.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    One thing I get is people with Aspergers can make people feel uncomfortable in social situations.

    A subtle hint wont help nor will guarded answers.

    In plain English we need to know what we are doing wrong the more detail the better.

    That is why I hate political correctness and false politeness.

    In a social situation if we do something wrong people will say nothing but moan behind our backs.

    I understand this is mostly to avoid offense and awkwardness.

    However plain English is best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭dienbienphu




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    A lot of people who claim to have aspergers are just looking for a reason to qualify the fact that they are, quite simply, arseholes.

    It's a serious condition with serious diagnostic criteria. Having an obscure hobby, being socially awkward, lacking self esteem, being a nerd, being self-righteous, being unable to handle criticism, being unpopular, being anti-social, being intelligent, not being able to engage in reasonable conversation, and/or always thinking you are always right does not necessarily mean you have aspergers. Being weird is not a medical condition.

    Get over it, because you're diluting the problem for people who actually have the condition.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    orestes wrote: »
    A lot of people who claim to have aspergers are just looking for a reason to qualify the fact that they are, quite simply, arseholes.
    But what if they're telling the truth and they do have Aspergers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    orestes wrote: »
    A lot of people who claim to have aspergers are just looking for a reason to qualify the fact that they are, quite simply, arseholes.

    It's a serious condition with serious diagnostic criteria. Having an obscure hobby, being socially awkward, lacking self esteem, being a nerd, being self-righteous, being unable to handle criticism, being unpopular, being anti-social, being intelligent, not being able to engage in reasonable conversation, and/or always thinking you are always right does not necessarily mean you have aspergers. Being weird is not a medical condition.

    Get over it, because you're diluting the problem for people who actually have the condition.
    sounds like me right there...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    orestes wrote: »
    A lot of people who claim to have aspergers are just looking for a reason to qualify the fact that they are, quite simply, arseholes.

    It's a serious condition with serious diagnostic criteria. Having an obscure hobby, being socially awkward, lacking self esteem, being a nerd, being self-righteous, being unable to handle criticism, being unpopular, being anti-social, being intelligent, not being able to engage in reasonable conversation, and/or always thinking you are always right does not necessarily mean you have aspergers. Being weird is not a medical condition.

    Get over it, because you're diluting the problem for people who actually have the condition.

    Having poor eye contact engaging in stimming being hypersensitive to light sounds textures.

    Poor coordination poor handwriting.

    No able to bare physical contact or affection from another human.

    Do not kiss hug clap cheer or engage in any kind of emotional talk.

    Get flustered.

    Where do you get off with your post?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Madam_X wrote: »
    But what if they're telling the truth and they do have Aspergers?

    Then they have a serious condition that needs proper management, based on a real medical diagnosis.
    sounds like me right there...

    It sounds like pretty much every guy who spends too much time on the internet, myself included, that's my point. Being an internet nerd doesn't mean you have aspergers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Having poor eye contact engaging in stimming being hypersensitive to light sounds textures.

    Poor coordination poor handwriting.

    No able to bare physical contact or affection from another human.

    Do not kiss hug clap cheer or engage in any kind of emotional talk.

    Get flustered.

    Where do you get off with your post?
    Are you getting anything helpful Ranicand? I had a feeling it might go this way....:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I was diagnosed with AS at age 10 or 11. Diagnosis severely upset my parents and indeed myself.
    As I grew up, it became apparently ridiculously quickly that the diagnosis was total bull, and that in fact I exhibited almost no symptoms of AS at all. I soon forgot about it, in fact. For example, a lot of girls have told me that my persistent eye contact is actually unusual in that I have no problem maintaining eye contact for long periods of time, and apparently this makes me appear massively confident when talking to people.
    Years later I asked my mum about it out of curiosity and she told me that a psychologist I'd gone to for my general hyperactivity (another thing - the fact that small boys are bags of energy and don't like sitting still is apparently now meant to come as a surprise :confused: ) had diagnosed AS based on my total evasiveness to her questions, my failing to answer anything with a direct or straight answer and my general refusal to engage with her at all.
    I had to laugh when my mum told me this. One of the things I'm blessed with is an extremely detailed and vivid "incidental" memory - I can think back to specific incidents, events, conversations etc that happened years ago and remember them play by play, with almost total accuracy. My friends are often shocked by how much random crap I remember from our childhoods which have long since vanished from most memories.
    I remembered being taken to this psychologist and remembered all my conversations with her, and to cut a long story short, I had decided almost immediately not to co-operate with her. I found it intensely creepy that a complete stranger was asking me intimate details about my life and poking her nose in, and after all isn't not talking to strangers one of the things most children are taught until they reach their teen years and can handle such things? I was also acutely aware that I was being "studied" like a lab specimen - who the hell takes notes while having a conversation with you about your life? So basically, I had made a conscious decision that over my dead body would I allow this creepy stranger to study my life. I shut her out and refused to give any meaningful answers to any of her questions. Apparently this led her to believe that I genuinely hadn't understood what she was asking me, and that this appalling level of communication skill obviously meant I had something like AS.

    Having been through all this, I now regard the entire field of child psychology with deep suspicion. It absolutely terrifies me how narrow the definition of "normal" has become - it must be virtually impossible not to be diagnosed with a syndrome or disorder these days - and given my experience, I have to ask how many misdiagnoses are made based on the fact that most kids (or adults, indeed!) don't like being interrogated by strangers about their innermost thoughts. The ADHD thing I mentioned is another of my pet hates - since when is the fact that little boys don't generally like to sit still for hours and would prefer to do something active meant to be surprising? The human race has been this way since its very inception - we wouldn't have survived otherwise, after all.

    Anyone who's been diagnosed with AS, I urge you to take the following survey:
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html

    I scored 19. The average is 18 for people without AS, those who have AS usually score in excess of 32.
    OP, if you find AS makes your life difficult then I truly feel for you, but if you don't mind my asking, what age were you diagnosed at? And is it at all possible that the diagnosis itself became a self fulfilling prophecy by labelling you?
    Even if it is, I believe things like shyness with regard to eye contact can be overcome. If you meet a girl with hypnotic eyes or example you won't be able to tear your gaze away from them for too long ;)

    For the psychiatric profession to give people a label because of "black and white thinking" is the height of hypocrisy and irony - personally I can't think of any group more guilty of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Having poor eye contact engaging in stimming being hypersensitive to light sounds textures.

    Poor coordination poor handwriting.

    No able to bare physical contact or affection from another human.

    Do not kiss hug clap cheer or engage in any kind of emotional talk.

    Get flustered.

    Where do you get off with your post?

    My post wasn't directed towards you personally, and I'm sorry if you read it that way, it was a general comment on a tendency of a certain demogrphic of people self-diagnosing with aspergers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    orestes wrote: »
    My post wasn't directed towards you personally, and I'm sorry if you read it that way, it was a general comment on a tendency of a certain demogrphic of people self-diagnosing with aspergers.

    Trying to get a diagnoses as an adult is next to impossible everything is aimed at children.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For me, before I knew anything about Aspergers I used to believe I was a freak, and that was the word I'd use to describe myself. After that I began to realise that there may be an explanation for it. I found it really difficult to find someone who was willing to help me with getting a diagnosis (or not, as the case may be) so I just didn't bother in the end.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand





    Anyone who's been diagnosed with AS, I urge you to take the following survey:
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html

    I scored 19. The average is 18 for people without AS, those who have AS usually score in excess of 32.
    OP, if you find AS makes your life difficult then I truly feel for you, but if you don't mind my asking, what age were you diagnosed at? And is it at all possible that the diagnosis itself became a self fulfilling prophecy by labelling you?
    Even if it is, I believe things like shyness with regard to eye contact can be overcome. If you meet a girl with hypnotic eyes or example you won't be able to tear your gaze away from them for too long ;)

    For the psychiatric profession to give people a label because of "black and white thinking" is the height of hypocrisy and irony - personally I can't think of any group more guilty of it.

    I have taken that test and others here is one of my results.

    I don't have an official diagnosis I am trying my best to get one.


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