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Stick your Promissory Note deal up your arse Kenny.

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  • #122
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    washman3 wrote: »

    The Government apologists have arrived on this thread.
    should be some fun now...:D

    The bluff has been called, honeymoon is well and truely over, after all our being the best boy in the class we get a kick in the teeth, it's time people took to the streets


  • #123
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Are people actually reading the thread before they post? Because within hours of that story breaking, the ECB contradicted it and said a deal wasn't off the table.


  • #124
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Are people actually reading the thread before they post? Because within hours of that story breaking, the ECB contradicted it and said a deal wasn't off the table.

    Read the thread before posting? People do that now?


  • #125
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Be funny alright.

    Noonan on phone "about that 3.1 billion - we haven't got it. We looked everywhere and we don't have it. Sure listen if it turns up we'll give you a text. Good luck"
    More like "Dude, I totally gave that to you the last time we met. Don't you remember? You put it in your back pocket. Those Greek guys saw you, ask them. Maybe you put those trousers in the washing machine. Have you looked down the back of the setee?


  • #126
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Pottler wrote: »
    ROTFLMAO. That is all. To every bit of this post. This post does indeed have the Ghey, on more levels than many. It got thanked! Brilliant!! (you were joking, right??)

    Hmm well to the part of my post that you bolded, here's a short article backing up what I said:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1219/359734-imf-again-urges-eu-to-reduce-irish-debt-burden/

    To the rest of my post, it's all factual information. Although I do see the funny side of attempting to bring facts into a boards.ie discussion about politics.

    For example, the fact that it turns out that the ECB are saying the story is not true seems to be completely irrelevant to most users on here.


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  • #127
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Mark200 wrote: »
    Hmm well to the part of my post that you bolded, here's a short article backing up what I said:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1219/359734-imf-again-urges-eu-to-reduce-irish-debt-burden/

    To the rest of my post, it's all factual information. Although I do see the funny side of attempting to bring facts into a boards.ie discussion about politics.

    For example, the fact that it turns out that the ECB are saying the story is not true seems to be completely irrelevant to most users on here.

    this is AH , there is no place for truth or facts here
    take your truth and facts and feck off

    woof woof woof


  • #128
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Are people actually reading the thread before they post? Because within hours of that story breaking, the ECB contradicted it and said a deal wasn't off the table.


    The dog on the street knows its off the table.!
    the statement from the ECB is the 'little deal' that Enda got.
    just might keep the peasents happy for a few more weeks while the ECB wait for developments among the PIGS.


  • #129
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    washman3 wrote: »
    The dog on the street knows its off the table.!
    I know that this is After Hours, but could you support that claim with any reliable information source?


  • #130
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Are people actually reading the thread before they post? Because within hours of that story breaking, the ECB contradicted it and said a deal wasn't off the table.

    Pacta Sunt Servanda still applies.


  • #131
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Lets all walk down a street waving passive aggressive signs,that'll show em.


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  • #132
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    hinault wrote: »
    Pacta Sunt Servanda still applies.
    I agree, they are a right pacta cnuts.


  • #133
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Even reading the comments on this thread shows the people are divided and having a go at each other, exactly what our spineless cowardice traitorous government and dear leader wants. If we are "fighting" and at each other throats well then we cant unite and become one cohesive unit fighting the same corner and that is what governments all around fear the most - a people united regardless of their politics determined to change the status quo.

    Forget about waiting for our politicians having the ability to change anything for us look at the state of them a bunch of spineless cowards being dictated too by the Europeans afraid to make a stand.

    I believe its time for non-violent revolution.

    Revolution comes in many forms with many ways to resist and it doesnt have to be violent. Time to get off our knees and do something about this ourselves because our leaders sure as hell are not going to do it for us. We are being "dictated" too by the EU/IMF. They are the target. First step in any revolution is identifying the endgame, building a consensus and support base. All of us need to unite or we will continue to be bent over a barrel for many years to come affecting our current generation and the generations to come. We need a revolution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr8McZ6zhuw


  • #134
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    And what is our new revolutionary government going to do when it gains power?


  • #135
    EURATS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    And what is our new revolutionary government going to do when it gains power?


    I'd say the first thing they would do is(as the thread title explains)...stick the promissory note deal up kennys arse..and keep it safe up there with a shovel of concrete.


  • #136
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Even reading the comments on this thread shows the people are divided and having a go at each other, exactly what our spineless cowardice traitorous government and dear leader wants.
    This bullsh!t rhetoric totally undermines whatever point you are trying to make. Whether or not the coalition are going about dealing with Fianna Failure's handywork the right way is definitely open to debate (I think they are doing it wrong) but the notion that they are not doing their best as they see it is just idiotic.


  • #137
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Rabble rabble rabble "our reputation on the international bond markets" rabble

    As if anyone gives a fcuk...


  • #138
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,738 ✭✭✭flutered


    can some one explain to me the virtue of borrowing money on the markets at 5.8%, when the imf will lend it at 3.2%.


  • #139
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    flutered wrote: »
    can some one explain to me the virtue of borrowing money on the markets at 5.8%, when the imf will lend it at 3.2%.
    I suppose the main difference is that the IMF money comes with strings attached. The market money you can do what you want with, but obviously it costs more to finance. Personally, I think it makes some sense to borrow from the IMF and make the type of sensible reforms the IMF will ask for (cuts in public sector pay, quangos, politicians' pay & pensions?).


  • #140
    EURATS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    This bullsh!t rhetoric totally undermines whatever point you are trying to make. Whether or not the coalition are going about dealing with Fianna Failure's handywork the right way is definitely open to debate (I think they are doing it wrong) but the notion that they are not doing their best as they see it is just idiotic.


    How do you know they are doing their best?
    That u Enda?

    U keep spewing this shiit over and over. Anyone feeling sleepy yet?

    They are still on bullshiit rip off wages..they are still cooking the socks of their European masters..they have bull****ted their way into government and are currently bull****ting their way through their term in government.

    Now we have to listen to their weak apologists come on here looking to tell us black is white..that Fine Gael/labour failures are doing their BEST.

    Well their best isn't fuuckin good enough. Never was. Never will be.

    Enda kenny and co.....our PANTO GOVERNMENT.


  • #141
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    EURATS wrote: »
    How do you know they are doing their best?
    That u Enda?

    U keep spewing this shiit over and over. Anyone feeling sleepy yet?

    They are still on bullshiit rip off wages..they are still cooking the socks of their European masters..they have bull****ted their way into government and are currently bull****ting their way through their term in government.

    Now we have to listen to their weak apologists come on here looking to tell us black is white..that Fine Gael/labour failures are doing their BEST.

    Well their best isn't fuuckin good enough. Never was. Never will be.

    Enda kenny and co.....our PANTO GOVERNMENT.
    Rabble rabble. Incoherent rage. Back to the conspiracy theory board for you.


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  • #142
    EURATS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    Rabble rabble. Incoherent rage. Back to the conspiracy theory board for you.


    Nothing incoherent about it. Considering who you support.. Says it all.

    Never been on the conspiracy boards. That's where the FG dreamers like yourself belong


  • #143
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    EURATS wrote: »
    Nothing incoherent about it. Considering who you support.. Says it all.
    I don't support anyone, unlike you.
    EURATS wrote: »
    Never been on the conspiracy boards. That's where the FG dreamers like yourself belong
    You've 41 posts on the CT forum. Your credibility: gone. :D


  • #144
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Unless the terms of debate and approach to the crisis changes significantly within the EU (which is looking incredibly unlikely), then it's probable enough that we will end up defaulting sometime down the road anyway; if that will be the case (and it's by no means certain things will go that way), we would be better off getting it over with now.

    The best of all worlds is our government, in collaboration with other (particularly periphery) nations, trying to change the terms of debate within the EU, in order to get an actual recovery plan going, and a more just solution to the debt problem (would be incredibly easy for the EU to reduce our interest payments for one, just by centralizing the debt).

    If that is not possible, then we, along with other troubled periphery nations, aught to just negotiate a collaborative default, to get back control of monetary policy so actual jobs can be created (bond markets can't hold a country to ransom, if that country uses money creation for funding instead of bonds), and then try to strengthen trade ties with each other and other sympathetic nations, as the political/economic sanctions for defaulting roll-in (we can then wait the sanctions out for the next decade or more, with full employment, instead of spending the next decade taking massive damage from unemployment and poor services, and decades more after that repaying debt).


    We're just stuck in purgatory as we are now, being slowly bled to death, praying that our near-unsustainable debt load will be reduced, and that the EU will come out of deadlock and engage in a recovery plan; every day that we remain stuck in our current policies, the economic/social harm from unemployment and the wider crisis is compounded, leading to significantly negative affects on peoples health and general future prospects.


  • #145
    EURATS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    I don't support anyone, unlike you.

    In which post have I declared support for a party?

    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    You've 41 posts on the CT forum. Your credibility: gone. :D

    Which posts would they be? And as for credibility..ur the one seeking it but who will never get it. People recognise ur spoof.


  • #146
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    EURATS wrote: »
    In which post have I declared support for a party?
    You don't have to declare it for your support to exist, do you?
    EURATS wrote: »
    Which posts would they be? And as for credibility..ur the one seeking it but who will never get it. People recognise ur spoof.
    These ones. Christ, you're too easy. :pac:


  • #147
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    I don't support anyone, unlike you.

    You've 41 posts on the CT forum. Your credibility: gone. :D

    stuff gets moved form AH and politics to CT forum all the time, odds are, he never actually posted in CT.


  • #148
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    Seaneh wrote: »
    stuff gets moved form AH and politics to CT forum all the time, odds are, he never actually posted in CT.
    Why was the first reply to his post 'what is the conspiracy theory'* then? He started it in the CT forum and posted 40 more times there.

    *as you may know, this is the standard response on the CT forum when someone posts something without outlining the actual conspiracy.


  • #149
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    This bullsh!t rhetoric totally undermines whatever point you are trying to make. Whether or not the coalition are going about dealing with Fianna Failure's handywork the right way is definitely open to debate (I think they are doing it wrong) but the notion that they are not doing their best as they see it is just idiotic.

    on the one hand you believe they are not dealing with it the right way and on the other you think they are doing the best as the see fit?? they are doing fcking nothing right. full stop. They should be taking on the Europeans/EU/IMF and not being scared to do so. Enda needs to grow a pair of balls instead of being happy to be the good little European lapdog that he is. Like I said if we depend on the cowardice bunch of useless twats to do anything for us we will be waiting for all eternity. The only people who can affect change is the average man and woman on the street. Its high time to start resisting non-violently.

    And we can stop with all this blame game i.e it was Fianna Fails fault we all know this. That is neither here nor there anymore. The question is how do we get what is best for our people whatever method is required to do so. If that involves Enda playing dirty then play dirty. If it involves him making threats that threaten the EU then make those threats. If it means upsetting the Germans then upset them. Thousands of our people are leaving our shores every month. People are on their knees and suffering badly. If it means we need to mass mobilise and take to the streets to make things happen then we take to the streets and make it happen. But fck this being good little Europeans doing what we are told and having it thrown back in our faces. Our politicians are cowards shame on them. They need to do what needs to be done in the interest of Ireland not of the Germans nor the Europeans. Its time to fight back.


  • #150
    EURATS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    You don't have to declare it for your support to exist, do you?

    I support Ireland and the people of Ireland.
    Your kind I view as traitors who should be dealt with accordingly. Unfortunately we are a country of softies who put up with abuse by the ruling class.
    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    These ones. Christ, you're too easy. :pac:

    Glad I can help give u some confidence


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  • #151
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    WakeUp wrote: »
    on the one hand you believe they are not dealing with it the right way and on the other you think they are doing the best as the see fit?? they are doing fcking nothing right. full stop. They should be taking on the Europeans/EU/IMF and not being scared to do so. Enda needs to grow a pair of balls instead of being happy to be the good little European lapdog that he is. .
    As I've said above, they are trying to be in the tent p*ssing out and they have said that is the plan from day one. The alternative is to go to war with the folks who are subsidising our current account deficit to the tune of €10 billion per year. We won't know whether what they are doing is going to work for a year or two yet - I don't know if it will. Again, as I've said already, I think we should have gone for a hard default a couple of years ago and endured an Argentinian-style mess for a couple of years, but Irish politicians were never going to go down that road. So I disagree with their tactics, but I'm not sure my solution would be any better that what they are doing.

    There are no easy solutions to this, in spite of what anyone claims.
    WakeUp wrote: »
    And we can stop with all this blame game i.e it was Fianna Fails fault we all know this. That is neither here nor there anymore. The question is how do we get what is best for our people whatever method is required to do so. If that involves Enda playing dirty then play dirty. If it involves him making threats that threaten the EU then make those threats. If it means upsetting the Germans then upset them. Thousands of our people are leaving our shores every month. People are on their knees and suffering badly. If it means we need to mass mobilise and take to the streets to make things happen then we take to the streets and make it happen. But fck this being good little Europeans doing what we are told and having it thrown back in our faces. Our politicians are cowards shame on them. They need to do what needs to be done in the interest of Ireland not of the Germans nor the Europeans. Its time to fight back.
    I agree re. the blame game, but again it's expecting an awful lot of a politician to not point out that the tax rises and cuts they are inflicting are necessary because of the actions of their direct competition.

    The protest route it very understandable, but do you think it will close the gap in our current account? Do you have a solution to that issue? I don't, beyond cuts and tax rises.


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