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Stick your Promissory Note deal up your arse Kenny.

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  • #32
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,738 ✭✭✭flutered


    bail out two is looming, baldy and the eunech are not from the real world, cosseted by generous salarys and perks all their working lives, i have said ofted and have been derided and abused for it, adams and company have many years of negeotations behind them, give them the deck, let them arugue with the ecb.


  • #33
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    Yup that gob****e Kenny has never wavered from playing teachers pet to the EU and then we get **** all for it. And even worse, it also means stories like this:

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html
    Ireland has paid 42% of the total cost of the European banking crisis, at a cost of close to €9,000 per person, according to Eurostat.


  • #34
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Mark200 wrote: »
    Um the IMF have been on our side on this issue for a long time, calling for a debt deal. And so have Germany. The ECB rejected the proposed solution due to legal issues. Germany have also said before that they consider Ireland to be a special case, but that it's up to us to ensure that any proposed deal would not open the door for other programme countries to get the same deal. Obviously this balance was not achieved in the plan that the ECB reviewed. It's not all down to "negotiating skill", it's down to legal technicalities.
    ROTFLMAO. That is all. To every bit of this post. This post does indeed have the Ghey, on more levels than many. It got thanked! Brilliant!! (you were joking, right??)


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Default on the lot, and I'm serious about that. Sure things will be hard for the short term but we'd bounce back much quicker.


  • #36
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Completly on the irish peoples side on this but I don't think doing something about the highest paid civil service in the eu would hurt negotiations. Can anyone tell me why enda gets more than Cameron? Your leaders are going cap in hand to people that probably earn less than them, and whos to say they would not congratulate them selves with a pay rise if they get a deal?


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  • #37
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Reminds me in that scene in the Simpsons.

    You know the one with Castro and the trillion dollar bill?

    Enda has the shiniest knob in the room now.


  • #38
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Agreed. Noonan is out of his league as are most if not all Dail members. And the civil servants are not fit for purpose.

    Seeing Kenny getting interview by the BBC journalist in Davos was very worrying. Kenny didn't even seem capable of following the questions. He had stock answers and just rolled them out. I can't imagine him getting Ireland case across in the necessary manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIOJQUxmrA8


  • #39
    Rebelkell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Rebelkell


    woodoo wrote: »
    Seeing Kenny getting interview by the BBC journalist in Davos was very worrying. Kenny didn't even seem capable of following the questions. He had stock answers and just rolled them out. I can't imagine him getting Ireland case across in the necessary manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIOJQUxmrA8
    Oh Sh1te we're [EMAIL="F@#ked"]F@#ked[/EMAIL]!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #40
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Eh..... 1.40 in..... ^^

    No we fu¢king don't understand Enda!

    Why are you still entertaining bondholders, why are you still 'covering' the debts of a now defunct, fraudulent bank, a la Anglo?

    Finger in the pie?


  • #41
    phoenix999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 581 ✭✭✭phoenix999


    woodoo wrote: »

    Seeing Kenny getting interview by the BBC journalist in Davos was very worrying. Kenny didn't even seem capable of following the questions. He had stock answers and just rolled them out. I can't imagine him getting Ireland case across in the necessary manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIOJQUxmrA8

    And while people always take the piss out Westminster's posh MPs who were educated at Eton, Oxford and the like. At least they are articulate and well educated. Our bunch of publicans and 2nd rate teachers are beyond embarassing. Even with spin doctors and advisers they can't look credible. Excruciatingly painful to watch.


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  • #42
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    phoenix999 wrote: »
    And while people always take the piss out Westminster's posh MPs who were educated at Eton, Oxford and the like. At least they are articulate and well educated. Our bunch of publicans and 2nd rate teachers are beyond embarassing. Even with spin doctors and advisers they can't look credible. Excruciatingly painful to watch.

    The politics here is all wrong. Can you imagine going into David Cameron or George Osborne's office and asking them to get you a Medical Card or to help you get planning on something ridiculous lol.


  • #43
    alphabeat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭alphabeat


    while we allow teachers ,publicans f,armers with massive egos to run our country we will always be fcuked .

    and as long as they can maintain the cosy nest at the top for themselves and future power addicts with no concern for the country or people in ireland we will be fcuked

    we have been sold into EU slavery for ever , no other words to describe it .


  • #44
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    ThreeLineWhip wrote: »
    Ireland need to get up off it's knees and develop a backbone.
    We should stand up?
    ThreeLineWhip wrote: »
    Default.
    We should collapse? :confused:


  • #45
    sfwcork
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    As we speak noonan is currently lifting up the cushions on the couch in his office looking for loose change

    "Come here draghi kid ive got around a score here in change,that keeps us Cool for a few weeks yeah.IVe a few quid coming my way from a job I did there last week so il sort ya when yeman gives me that"


  • #46
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    The level of public ignorance about this stuff after several years is still staggering. The usual guff about 'burn the bondholders' (those bonds are nearly all paid off now).

    It's the current deficit that is the real problem - and every single attempt to tackle it with cuts is met with further bleating from every single interest group in the country.

    We have the politicians we deserve. The electorate are f*cking idiots.


  • #47
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    This is the reward we get for voting YES? Shower of Eurocrat Ku*tz. The UK has the right idea.


  • #48
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    This is the reward we get for voting YES? Shower of Eurocrat Ku*tz. The UK has the right idea.
    Yes, we'd be much better off going back to the isolationist Ireland of the 50s. We were all rich then. None of this stuff is our fault...


  • #49
    lightspeed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Did anybody read the part that said it would in direct violation of EU law

    "Reuters quoted sources who said that the ECB's Governing Council had discussed the plan for the first time at a meeting on Wednesday and Thursday and agreed that it amounted to "monetary financing" of the Government, banned under article 123 of the EU treaty.".

    To be fair, its not the fault of the Ecb that Enda and noonon were arrogant to believe that the ECB would skirt around existing law.

    According to Rte, they are still working on some kind of deal.

    I thought pat rabbite said a few weeks ago that we wont be paying the promissory note in march unless a deal is done so why are Enda and noonan chasing after a deal at all?

    So should we not just say to the ECB, look get into touch when you are ready to deal otherwise there will be no money paid for this promissory note ****e at all. The matter us now closed until then and we wont discuss anything further on this issue.


  • #50
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    ECB is denying the story:
    The European Central Bank has dismissed reports that Ireland's preferred option on the promissory note deal had been rejected, saying negotiations were still under way and conclusions on their outcome were premature.


  • #51
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    lightspeed wrote: »
    I thought pat rabbite said a few weeks ago that we wont be paying the promissory note in march unless a deal is done so why are Enda and noonan chasing after a deal at all?

    So should we not just say to the ECB, look get into touch when you are ready to deal otherwise there will be no money paid for this promissory note ****e at all. The matter us now closed until then and we wont discuss anything further on this issue.
    I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that we would be giving a big f*ck off to the guys we are relying on to fund our €10,000,000,000 (give or take) current account deficit. Do you see the problem with that at all? :rolleyes:


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  • #52
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    Yes, we'd be much better off going back to the isolationist Ireland of the 50s. We were all rich then. None of this stuff is our fault...

    Of course much of this is 'our fault' but I didn't realise that that meant our 'partners' had to put the boot in.


  • #53
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    ECB is denying the story:
    Pat Rabbitte has also just said the same thing.

    There is a very defeatist attitude around here about pretty much any efforts the Irish government make on this debt issue.


  • #54
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Of course much of this is 'our fault' but I didn't realise that that meant our 'partners' had to put the boot in.
    They are 'putting the boot in' by funding our continued bubble-level government spending. Personally I think we should have gone for a hard default a few years back, but this completely ignorant total bullsh!t drives me crazy. People think we are experiencing hard times now - hilarious. Wait until people spend a couple of years trading belongings for food as could well happen in a hard default scenario.

    The fact that the public are total idiots is emphasised by the bile heaped on Labour and FG for trying (but not nearly harshly enough, IMV) to fix the problem, while Fianna Failure, the guys who did this to us, are making a steady comeback in the polls. Un-f*cking-believable.


  • #55
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    They are 'putting the boot in' by funding our continued bubble-level government spending. Personally I think we should have gone for a hard default a few years back, but this completely ignorant total bullsh!t drives me crazy. People think we are experiencing hard times now - hilarious. Wait until people spend a couple of years trading belongings for food as could well happen in a hard default scenario.

    The fact that the public are total idiots is emphasised by the bile heaped on Labour and FG for trying (but not nearly harshly enough, IMV) to fix the problem, while Fianna Failure, the guys who did this to us, are making a steady comeback in the polls. Un-f*cking-believable.

    Jesus, you spout some **ite.


  • #56
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Jesus, you spout some **ite.
    Great argument. I'll take that as a concession.


  • #57
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    Great argument. I'll take that as a concession.

    :rolleyes: Take is as a concession that I couldn't be arsed arguing with you.


  • #58
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Take is as a concession that I couldn't be arsed arguing with you.
    If you can't counter my points, it probably makes sense to back out of the discussion with whatever dignity you can muster. ;)


  • #59
    sfwcork
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    Rereggie Perrin wrote: »
    They are 'putting the boot in' by funding our continued bubble-level government spending. Personally I think we should have gone for a hard default a few years back, but this completely ignorant total bullsh!t drives me crazy. People think we are experiencing hard times now - hilarious. Wait until people spend a couple of years trading belongings for food as could well happen in a hard default scenario.

    The fact that the public are total idiots is emphasised by the bile heaped on Labour and FG for trying (but not nearly harshly enough, IMV) to fix the problem, while Fianna Failure, the guys who did this to us, are making a steady comeback in the polls. Un-f*cking-believable.


    And what party did you vote for?


  • #60
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    dvpower wrote: »
    Pat Rabbitte has also just said the same thing.

    There is a very defeatist attitude around here about pretty much any efforts the Irish government make on this debt issue.

    The Government apologists have arrived on this thread.
    should be some fun now...:D


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  • #61
    Rereggie Perrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Rereggie Perrin


    sfwcork wrote: »
    And what party did you vote for?
    I didn't vote, but I probably would have voted FG and LAB if I did. The alternatives were the idiots who ruined us, or the dreamers in SF and the ULA. Like I said, we get the politicians we deserve.


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