Garda shot dead during robbery at Louth Credit Union(Mod warning, 1st post.)

steddyeddy · 26-01-2013 10:08PM

ax586 wrote: »

R.I.P The poor man was only going his job

A friend of mine in college was actually good friends with him. His wife is a gaurd and used to be friends with him. A very nice man by all accounts.

K-9 · 27-01-2013 01:37AM

Bambi wrote: »

Did you unlock this thread , stick a dig in at the provies and then lock it again

I was reading the thread and was unaware the thread was locked, often happens when another mod locks it while another is reading, it is very easy to post on a locked thread without knowing it. Also to be factual, it wouldn't really be a dig at the provies as they murdered very few. In hindsight I should have deleted the post so I will apologise for that.

Pappa Charlie · 27-01-2013 01:41AM

K-9 wrote: »

I was reading the thread and was unaware the thread was locked, often happens when another mod locks it while another is reading, it is very easy to post on a locked thread without knowing it. Also to be factual, it wouldn't really be a dig at the provies as they murdered very few. In hindsight I should have deleted the post so I will apologise for that.

Ah! Sure they only murdered a few! WTF

Vicar in a tutu · 27-01-2013 12:49PM

I dont think there needs to be any assumptions as to who done this until the guards know themselves, I dont like how certain political groups have been brought into it, Its a sad and tragic loss, and I hope whoever done it is caught and punished, I feel awful for his poor family, hopefully they pull through this as best they can. Such a horrible thing to happen to somebody who was working to protect others and to earn a living. Hopefully this will be the last time it happens.

Biggins · 27-01-2013 01:07PM

The below is ONLY a guess - not based on any known fact yet.

I'm assuming that at least one of the robbers was of such a cold and lethal killing nature that this was not their first time trying at least to carry out such a crime/additional robbery.
If so, the person might better stand a chance of being known to the Garda and on record (in picture alone?) in some way.
Given that there is witnesses to the sad occurrence of events including one possible fellow shocked officer, an chance of getting a good I.D./lead might exist.

I hope so.

I think there is very, very few in this country that wishes to see the culprits escape - and anyone that is currently helping the culprits to escape or stay in hiding, I hope they are held accountable too for their 'after the fact' legal culpability.
For aiding these killers, they should be totally ashamed of themselves. They too should be exposed eventually!

Daroxtar · 27-01-2013 01:31PM

My brother is in the crime unit in Dundalk. He does that credit union run every other week. I felt sick when I heard the news. TBH I cant stop thinking about it myself. A shift change and it could have been my kid brother. He's numb at the loss of his friend.

I work in construction and I've been on 2 sites where people were killed and plenty other serious injuries. There were double figure fatalities on sites several years during the boom and we lose 20 or so farmers every year to workplace accidents so you can't say being a Gard is more dangerous than other jobs, but when an accident happens, even a freak one, there is a reason and you can explain it to yourself. This was just cold blooded murder of a decent man doing his job. The job of making sure we are safe. That is what is so hard to get your head around.

I really think we made a mistake in abolishing the death penalty for the murder of a Garda. These bastards deserve to hang, and not just the one who shot Adrian Donohue, but the others who were involved too. Fúck them and fúck anyone who has anything to do with them. People like them do not deserve to live.

RIP Adrian and my most sincere condolences to his wife, family, friends and colleagues.

KwackerJack · 27-01-2013 01:43PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

I work in construction and I've been on 2 sites where people were killed and plenty other serious injuries. There were double figure fatalities on sites several years during the boom and we lose 20 or so farmers every year to workplace accidents so you can't say being a Gard is more dangerous than other jobs

How did you come to that conclusion? Are builders are Farmers putting themselves in harms way?? Dealing with Drug users, Criminals etc.?

There are meant to be rules followed on site and on farms to prevent fatal accidents..if one does happen the question has to be asked why was it let happen??

Accidents on site can be preventable by risk assessment as the work being carried out is properly planned.

A Garda operation can be planned to the last minuscule but when dealing with the public and criminals anything can and does go wrong!

As for Gardai on duty its their job to protect the community from people who wish to destroy it.....They may not intentional put themselves in harms way but the nature of the job sometimes means that they must put themselves in harms way to do there job!

I really don't think that a builder or farmer goes to work thinking his job is more dangerous than being a member of An Garda Siochana!!!

There is a reason why builders don't wear ballistic vest and carry cuffs, sprays and batons! They don't drive to work with the realisation they may be shot dead?????

Daroxtar · 27-01-2013 01:56PM

Hey, I didn't come in to the thread to have a row. I' watched a perfectly erected scaffolding collapse and cripple a man. A chain in a concrete skip broke and the guy underneath was crushed to death. How many farmers are killed by bulls? Are bulls more predictable or less lethal than bank robbers? You can plan all you like and take every preventative but sometimes something just happens

Biggins · 27-01-2013 02:06PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

...You can plan all you like and take every preventative but sometimes something just happens

Your right however the pulling of a trigger that sadly took a mans life and has shattering effect on a family now, was no accident it appears.
(I'm not saying that you said it was an accident)

There's a big difference between a static non-lethal object that unfortunately by accident causes harm versus an object which is brought deliberately into use during the course of a planned crime.

One is an unfortunate event - the other could have been a totally avoidable occurrence, besides being un-necessary.

Daroxtar · 27-01-2013 02:17PM

I know, re read my first post. I was saying you can accept an accident, but this was just plain murder

Biggins · 27-01-2013 02:21PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

...this was just plain murder

Indeed so.

macadam · 27-01-2013 03:38PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

I really think we made a mistake in abolishing the death penalty for the murder of a Garda. These bastards deserve to hang, and not just the one who shot Adrian Donohue, but the others who were involved too. Fúck them and fúck anyone who has anything to do with them. People like them do not deserve to live.

RIP Adrian and my most sincere condolences to his wife, family, friends and colleagues.

Could not agree more, I knew Adrian, a nicer gentleman you couldn't meet, as one paper said today he would get it hard to summons you he was that nice.
An ordinary decent family man doing his job for us.
97% of the country are decent folk and we need to stand up and be counted or these3% sewer rats will walk on us every chance they get.

MagicSean · 27-01-2013 03:57PM

Minister for Cummincations Pat Rabbitte has condemned the killing of Det Garda Donohoe, calling it an "appalling cowardly murder".

Speaking on RTÉ Radio, the minister said the shooting did not happen because of the closure of garda stations or cuts in the Budget.

Glad to see the governement focusing on the important issue.

I would think it's obvious to anyone that if you cut Garda numbers and resources you let the criminals prosper. This tragedy was an inevitable result of such a policy.

GRMA · 27-01-2013 04:13PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

My brother is in the crime unit in Dundalk. He does that credit union run every other week. I felt sick when I heard the news. TBH I cant stop thinking about it myself. A shift change and it could have been my kid brother. He's numb at the loss of his friend.

I work in construction and I've been on 2 sites where people were killed and plenty other serious injuries. There were double figure fatalities on sites several years during the boom and we lose 20 or so farmers every year to workplace accidents so you can't say being a Gard is more dangerous than other jobs, but when an accident happens, even a freak one, there is a reason and you can explain it to yourself. This was just cold blooded murder of a decent man doing his job. The job of making sure we are safe. That is what is so hard to get your head around.

I really think we made a mistake in abolishing the death penalty for the murder of a Garda. These bastards deserve to hang, and not just the one who shot Adrian Donohue, but the others who were involved too. Fúck them and fúck anyone who has anything to do with them. People like them do not deserve to live.

RIP Adrian and my most sincere condolences to his wife, family, friends and colleagues.

Ah yeah, lets round up their families, friends, neighbors too maybe? As well as those other criminals who may be associated with the guys who did this - sure even if they committed lesser crimes, sure we should kill them all.

Because thats a proportionate response. More killing will fix things

27-01-2013 04:20PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Glad to see the governement focusing on the important issue.

I would think it's obvious to anyone that if you cut Garda numbers and resources you let the criminals prosper. This tragedy was an inevitable result of such a policy.

I mean, it's obvious. Especially seeing as there were no violent robberies ever recorded in this country before the recent cut-backs. Oh wait..

The Maverick · 27-01-2013 04:21PM

GRMA wrote: »

Ah yeah, lets round up their families, friends, neighbors too maybe? As well as those other criminals who may be associated with the guys who did this - sure even if they committed lesser crimes, sure we should kill them all.

Because thats a proportionate response. More killing will fix things

You know full well that's not what he means at all.

Does anyone know what the law is in relation to this situation here? I know in the US if one member of a gang kills someone during a robbery etc, the whole gang can be charged with that person's murder. Is there a similar law here?

catallus · 27-01-2013 04:21PM

GRMA wrote: »

Ah yeah, lets round up their families, friends, neighbors too maybe? As well as those other criminals who may be associated with the guys who did this - sure even if they committed lesser crimes, sure we should kill them all.

Because thats a proportionate response. More killing will fix things

Why do you have to take such a flippant attitude towards a person who was just giving an opinion on the death penalty that you disagree with. Putting words in the mouths of people isn't clever or funny.

GRMA · 27-01-2013 04:21PM

The Maverick wrote: »

You know full well that's not what he means at all.

Does anyone know what the law is in relation to this situation here? I know in the US if one member of a gang kills someone during a robbery etc, the whole gang can be charged with that person's murder. Is there a similar law here?

It depends on the exact circumstances.

Profiler · 27-01-2013 04:24PM

This in my opinion was murder, this by the accounts we've all now heard was cold calculating murder.

I fell very sorry for the family, friends and colleagues of the Adrian Donohue.

This is not however, in my opinion, grounds to bring back the death sentence.

Having a death sentence in Ireland diminishes us all.

aaakev · 27-01-2013 04:25PM

The Maverick wrote: »

I know in the US if one member of a gang kills someone during a robbery etc, the whole gang can be charged with that person's murder. Is there a similar law here?

I would hope so, the actions if that gang lead to this murder, they all deserve to be put down

HondaSami · 27-01-2013 04:30PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

I mean, it's obvious. Especially seeing as there were no violent robberies ever recorded in this country before the recent cut-backs. Oh wait..

Your point is?

MagicSean · 27-01-2013 04:33PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

I mean, it's obvious. Especially seeing as there were no violent robberies ever recorded in this country before the recent cut-backs. Oh wait..

What point are you trying to make? Are you saying the policy of cutting resources and numbers has not had an effect? Could you perhanps provide any examples of robberies with this level of violence which occurred during the boom times?

There is a scale of violence. On the bottom of this scale is actions like waving a screwdriver around. On the top is the execution of a Garda. The level of violence being used, particularly towards Gardaí has gone up.

My name is URL · 27-01-2013 04:35PM

The Maverick wrote: »

Does anyone know what the law is in relation to this situation here? I know in the US if one member of a gang kills someone during a robbery etc, the whole gang can be charged with that person's murder. Is there a similar law here?

Not sure how it works, but I've heard of people being charged with being 'accessories to murder'.. can't find any specific laws about that, but I'd guess that it could potentially carry the same sentence as murder itself depending on the judge.

27-01-2013 05:06PM

MagicSean wrote: »

What point are you trying to make? Are you saying the policy of cutting resources and numbers has not had an effect? Could you perhanps provide any examples of robberies with this level of violence which occurred during the boom times?

There is a scale of violence. On the bottom of this scale is actions like waving a screwdriver around. On the top is the execution of a Garda. The level of violence being used, particularly towards Gardaí has gone up.

We could just as easily blame the lenient sentences handed down to scum as a causal factor. Where is your proof of this? Or are you simply speculating based on this one event?

Gerry McCabe ring any bells?

steddyeddy · 27-01-2013 05:08PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

We could just as easily blame the lenient sentences handed down to scum as a causal factor. Where is your proof of this? Or are you simply speculating based on this one event?

Gerry McCabe ring any bells?

If the guy who did this gets a lenient sentencte the country is f"cked.

MagicSean · 27-01-2013 05:14PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

We could just as easily blame the lenient sentences handed down to scum as a causal factor. Where is your proof of this? Or are you simply speculating based on this one event?

We have always had lenient sentences. They are a constant. The main variable in the last decade has been in Garda resources.

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Gerry McCabe ring any bells?

What kind of stupid question is that? What kind of relevence do you think it has to this discussion? Those weren't the boom times.

Death and Taxes · 27-01-2013 05:15PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Not sure how it works, but I've heard of people being charged with being 'accessories to murder'.. can't find any specific laws about that, but I'd guess that it could potentially carry the same sentence as murder itself depending on the judge.

The law is one of "Common Enterprise" all four were engaged in a common enterprise to commit armed robbery all four are guilty under common enterprise for any and all offences resulting from that, so all four would be charged with murder. That is what happened in previous cases.

Pappa Charlie · 27-01-2013 05:15PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

If the guy who did this gets a lenient sentencte the country is f"cked.

Criminals know full well what the resource situation is like and they are more brazen and active as a result, and if they need a fall back senario of they are caught its the fact that they know the courts and sentencing are a joke! Shatter can spit out that resources are not an issue but the dogs on the street know they are, his waffle won't be accepted much longer and I trust he'll get a sence of it over the coming days and weeks!

Death and Taxes · 27-01-2013 05:20PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Criminals know full well what the resource situation is like and they are more brazen and active as a result, and if they need a fall back senario of they are caught its the fact that they know the courts and sentencing are a joke! Shatter can spit out that resources are not an issue but the dogs on the street know they are, his waffle won't be accepted much longer and I trust he'll get a sence of it over the coming days and weeks!

A mandatory life Sentence is hardly a joke, and I cannot imagine any minister for justice agreeing to their release.

CZ 453 · 27-01-2013 05:33PM

Any updates on the perpetrators? Last I heard the Gardai believed it was a local gang. Are there many criminal gangs in Dundalk? I heard of dissidents around there but I didn't know that there were many organised criminal gangs in Dundalk.

Garda shot dead during robbery at Louth Credit Union(Mod warning, 1st post.)

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