Garda shot dead during robbery at Louth Credit Union(Mod warning, 1st post.)

AlmightyCushion · 26-01-2013 08:09PM

Biggins wrote: »

"Life" (30 years?) I think?
Someone will correct me if wrong.

The punishment for any murder is life. The judge decides what they should serve at a minimum (12 - 30 years). Once they serve that length of time they stay in jail until the minister decides to let them out. So, you could serve 12 years or 50.

My name is URL · 26-01-2013 08:12PM

There should be no chance of remission for anyone jailed for murder, let alone for murdering a member of the Gardai.

Rayne Wooney · 26-01-2013 08:17PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There should be no chance of remission for anyone jailed for murder, let alone for murdering a member of the Gardai.

In this case it's hard to see how this man can be rehabilitated if he's able to kill a Garda for a cut of (how much money would have been in there?) 20k maybe?

MagicSean · 26-01-2013 08:23PM

I dont agree with the lock him away for good without the possibility of anything approach. Look at it from the criminals point of view. Two Gardaí approach you and you shoot one for whatever reason. Now you know you are spending the rest of your life in jail. Whats to stop you putting a bullet in the other one? Not like the punishment could be worse.

Judgement Day · 26-01-2013 08:25PM

donegal_road wrote: »

the sooner we have a cashless society the better

Yeah, and all the criminals will then give up robbing and take Open University courses and become nice individuals. :rolleyes:

the_syco · 26-01-2013 08:26PM

shezer wrote: »

Is that all that happens in prison?You get a nice cell?

Probably given a lot of respect for killing a Garda by fellow inmates. If part of a certain armed criminal organisation, I doubt you'll get much hassle.

Royal Irish wrote: »

I live near the credit union and the Garda chopper wasn't flying around here until about 11:30pm. So it took them 2 hours to get in the air and fly here. The ERU would have been quicker driving from Dublin.

In that case I'd wonder if the chopper going up was in any way related, as opposed to nightly chopper flying?

mikom · 26-01-2013 08:27PM

donegal_road wrote: »

the sooner we have a cashless society the better

I have Ulster bank on line one for you........

donegal_road · 26-01-2013 08:30PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Yeah, and all the criminals will then give up robbing and take Open University courses and become nice individuals. :rolleyes:

not a whole lot of point in robbing something if you cant sell it.. not meaning to derail the thread, but if we had a cashless society, what would criminals use as currency?

My name is URL · 26-01-2013 08:34PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

In this case it's hard to see how this man can be rehabilitated if he's able to kill a Garda for a cut of (how much money would have been in there?) 20k maybe?

Highly doubtful there'd be even that much. I'd say it would be closer to about 5 grand tbh. The Credit Union serves a pretty small community and was only open for 3 hours yesterday evening.

wonderfullife · 26-01-2013 08:36PM

donegal_road wrote: »

not a whole lot of point in robbing something if you cant sell it.. not meaning to derail the thread, but if we had a cashless society, what would criminals use as currency?

without going off topic, a cashless society is a pipedream and i dont think the over-reliance on credit cards got the world too far recently either.

Criminals will always find something worth stealing. If it's worth owning, it's worth stealing.

None of which matters. It doesn't matter much how, why or when, the fact is a man is dead now for doing his job.

Death and Taxes · 26-01-2013 08:39PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The punishment for any murder is life. The judge decides what they should serve at a minimum (12 - 30 years). Once they serve that length of time they stay in jail until the minister decides to let them out. So, you could serve 12 years or 50.

The judge has no say, its up to the Parole Board to make recommendations to the minister.
Capital murder carries a sentence of 40 years without remission.

Death and Taxes · 26-01-2013 08:41PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Yeah, and all the criminals will then give up robbing and take Open University courses and become nice individuals. :rolleyes:

Some have, I have them, took education in prison and carried it on after they left.
These fúckers who shot the guard however shoul never ever be released. Never!

...__... · 26-01-2013 08:43PM

For anyone wondring why the chopper wasnt up straight away last nite the weather around Baldonnell was horrendus still is I was amazed to hear it landing when it did. An on a side note it wouldnt be much good flying over the scene as the murderers had already left makes more tactical use by covering roads to dublin where checkpoints cant be set up etc.

mikemac1 · 26-01-2013 08:46PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

The judge has no say, its up to the Parole Board to make recommendations to the minister.

True

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Capital murder carries a sentence of 40 years without remission.

It's happened in the past with the INLA members

But it's not law, you won't find 40 years on any law website

Gerry McCabe's widow is calling for it

She also called on the Government to introduce legislation that would see those who kill members of the force receive minimum mandatory jail sentences of 40 years without remission.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0126/364604-garda-adrian-donohoe/

But it's not on the books

My name is URL · 26-01-2013 08:50PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

The judge has no say, its up to the Parole Board to make recommendations to the minister.
Capital murder carries a sentence of 40 years without remission.

Are you sure about that? Since the abolition of the death penalty I think 'capital' murders are treated just as any other murder by the courts.

I know the wife of Jerry McCabe has long called for changes in the law which would remove the chance of anyone convicted been released before 40 years.

Mikemac got there before me =p

Death and Taxes · 26-01-2013 08:50PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

True

It's happened in the past with the INLA members

But it's not law, you won't find 40 years on any law website

Gerry McCabe's widow is calling for it

But it's not on the books

i cant believe the politicans were so stupid as to abolish hanging for capital muder and not replace it with the 40 year sentence, fúcking idiots!:mad:

goodgolfer64 · 26-01-2013 08:50PM

it will all come out in time.....
but ruthless....and possibly accidental from the story ive heard!!!!but its from the horses mouth...

Death and Taxes · 26-01-2013 08:55PM

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

the garda was shot in the CU workers car...no time to respond....car blocked exit and guys broke windows of car....

Link to source?

AlmightyCushion · 26-01-2013 08:55PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Some have, I have them, took education in prison and carried it on after they left.
These fúckers who shot the guard however shoul never ever be released. Never!

I could be wrong but I thought when handing down the sentence a judge could choose how long a person must serve (anywhere between 12 - 30 years) before being eligible for parole.

Biggins · 26-01-2013 08:58PM

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

the garda was shot in the CU workers car......

All reports that I've heard so far say different I think.

mikemac1 · 26-01-2013 08:59PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I could be wrong but I thought when handing down the sentence a judge could choose how long a person must serve (anywhere between 12 - 30 years) before being eligible for parole.

Irish Judge doesn't decide, they hand down life but they don't set any minimums.

The minister will take reports and recommendations from the Parole Board and check cases they think are worth reviewing

In the UK the judge can set a minimum sentence

Death and Taxes · 26-01-2013 08:59PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I could be wrong but I thought when handing down the sentence a judge could choose how long a person must serve (anywhere between 12 - 30 years) before being eligible for parole.

You are wrong, thats the UK you are thinking of.
In our juristiction the judge passes the mandatory life sentence, after that its upn to the Interim Parole Board and the Minister.

thomasm · 26-01-2013 09:03PM

Howjoe1 wrote: »

in terms of bringing anyone to justice, the seeming lack of any lead in the case is worrying.

I imagine there is some kind of media blackout. You would normally have some statement about suspects/raids at this stage.

Chipboard · 26-01-2013 09:15PM

I think (and I hope) that this will bring so much heat on the criminal fraternity that the guy who committed this heinous act will be got one way or the other.

I'd imagine that this will cause the setting up of a major Garda operation to route out these scum, much like happened after the killing of Veronica Guerin.

Its too bad that something like this has to happen before the likes of Shatter wakes up to what is happening on the streets.

RIP Detective Donoghue.

charlemont · 26-01-2013 09:18PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I could be wrong but I thought when handing down the sentence a judge could choose how long a person must serve (anywhere between 12 - 30 years) before being eligible for parole.

That happens in the UK but not here.

Death and Taxes · 26-01-2013 09:25PM

Chipboard wrote: »

I think (and I hope) that this will bring so much heat on the criminal fraternity that the guy who committed this heinous act will be got one way or the other.

I'd imagine that this will cause the setting up of a major Garda operation to route out these scum, much like happened after the killing of Veronica Guerin.

Its too bad that something like this has to happen before the likes of Shatter wakes up to what is happening on the streets.

RIP Detective Donoghue.

The four guys! This is a classic case of "Common Enterprise" , each of the gang are equally guilty under the law, and rightly so!

steddyeddy · 26-01-2013 09:29PM

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

the garda was shot in the CU workers car...no time to respond....car blocked exit and guys broke windows of car....

Have to say that's the first I have heard the details of the death but shooting a defensless person in a car is an f-ing evil thing to do. Hope they get this guy, we dont need people like that on our streets.

goodgolfer64 · 26-01-2013 09:55PM

Biggins wrote: »

All reports that I've heard so far say different I think.

yeah been suspiciously short on full story....
can a moderator please delete my previous comment....

Judgement Day · 26-01-2013 09:55PM

Chipboard wrote: »

I think (and I hope) that this will bring so much heat on the criminal fraternity that the guy who committed this heinous act will be got one way or the other.

I'd imagine that this will cause the setting up of a major Garda operation to route out these scum, much like happened after the killing of Veronica Guerin.

Its too bad that something like this has to happen before the likes of Shatter wakes up to what is happening on the streets.

RIP Detective Donoghue.

Sadly, on the basis of what Shatter has said since the murder there's nothing to suggest that he has woken up or is likely to. He belongs to the liberal, do-gooder brigade that thinks nobody is beyond salvation.

ax586 · 26-01-2013 10:02PM

R.I.P The poor man was only going his job

Garda shot dead during robbery at Louth Credit Union(Mod warning, 1st post.)

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