Masked gun man dies after being restrained by shop staff

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:06AM

skyfall2012 wrote: »

Hmm, it was a betting office, I wonder how many of them were, really law abiding, if we did a background check on the witnesses?

Hmm, didn't look like any of them were trying to rob the place while armed.

skyfall2012 · 26-01-2013 01:08AM

galwayrush wrote: »

Hmm, didn't look like any of them were trying to rob the place while armed.

We don't really know what happened do we, there hasn't been a trial yet.

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:08AM

galwayrush wrote: »

Hmm, didn't look like any of them were trying to rob the place while armed.

Same question to you, If that was your brother or your son would you still think he deserved to die??

Yakuza · 26-01-2013 01:09AM

Someone going into a shop with a gun has only themselves to blame if it goes pear-shaped for them. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him. I'm not saying he deserved to die, but I don't care one whit that he is dead.

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:11AM

Bummppd wrote: »

Same question to you, If that was your brother or your son would you still think he deserved to die??

Armed up to no good in public, yes.
I would prefer they died rather than harmed some innocent member of the public.

Extinction · 26-01-2013 01:13AM

Grayson wrote: »

You've never broken a single law? Never speeded a bit, even by a couple of MPH? Never kept extra change? Never done anything wrong at all?

So you equate speeding to armed robbery? No I haven't broken any laws as far as I know, I'm the type of driver that sits on or very slightly below the speed limit and pisses everyone off.

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:15AM

galwayrush wrote: »

Armed up to no good in public, yes.
I would prefer they died rather than harmed some innocent member of the public.

I'm sorry but I don't believe you. How can you honestly say you think your own son should die if he did that? And if you are telling the truth which I very much doubt, I feel sorry for you and yours.

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:19AM

Bummppd wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't believe you. How can you honestly say you think your own son should die if he did that? And if you are telling the truth which I very much doubt, I feel sorry for you and yours.

I feel sorry for the victims of crime, not the scumbags who carry out the crimes.

Chopperdog 2 · 26-01-2013 01:19AM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

wonder did he get a good tip for dundalk

You sir, are a wanker.
Show some respect for a man who lost his life in the line of duty.
You are nothing but a hateful ****.

Mods, I accept my ban, but I couldn't let this go.

gallag · 26-01-2013 01:22AM

Chopperdog 2 wrote: »

You sir, are a wanker.
Show some respect for a man who lost his life in the line of duty.
You are nothing but a hateful ****.

Mods, I accept my ban, but I couldn't let this go.

Wrong thread dude.

Extinction · 26-01-2013 01:23AM

Bummppd wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't believe you. How can you honestly say you think your own son should die if he did that? And if you are telling the truth which I very much doubt, I feel sorry for you and yours.

Why should anyone have sympathy for a family member that goes out with the intention of harming another person? Just because they are family or is there some other reason we should have sympathy for violent criminals?

delta_bravo · 26-01-2013 01:23AM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

wonder did he get a good tip for dundalk

What did you think the reaction to an idiotic post like that would be? What is your rationale for your absolutely tasteless contribution?

Yakuza · 26-01-2013 01:26AM

skyfall2012 wrote: »

Hmm, it was a betting office, I wonder how many of them were, really law abiding, if we did a background check on the witnesses?

Congratulations. That has to be the most moronic post on this thread (so far, at least - excluding that disgusting post that referred to Dundalk). So it's ok for an armed scumbag to threaten people, as long as it's in a betting shop, as someone there might be a criminal?

Edited reference to Dundalk post, the poster edited his post, it was just a very unfortunate coincidence.

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:27AM

galwayrush wrote: »

I feel sorry for the victims of crime, not the scumbags who carry out the crimes.

I'm not in any way supporting what he did and I believe no crime should go unpunished but..Did you know this man?.. To say he deserved to die is a ridiculous statement to make.

skyfall2012 · 26-01-2013 01:28AM

Yakuza wrote: »

Congratulations. That has to be the most moronic post on this thread (so far, at least). So it's ok for an armed scumbag to threaten people, as long as it's in a betting shop, as someone there might be a criminal?

No, my point is the man should not be killed by a mob, whether they be law abiding or not. Did you read the previous posts?

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:29AM

Extinction wrote: »

Why should anyone have sympathy for a family member that goes out with the intention of harming another person? Just because they are family or is there some other reason we should have sympathy for violent criminals?

I can't understand this sympathy / caring attitude to scumbags either, while the victims of crimes are usually ignored.
Some victims can suffer severe trauma for the rest of their lives while the scumbags get pampered in prison, and often re offend once released.

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:32AM

Bummppd wrote: »

I'm not in any way supporting what he did and I believe no crime should go unpunished but..Did you know this man?.. To say he deserved to die is a ridiculous statement to make.

How?, He was armed, better he died than some innocent person.

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:40AM

The scumbag wasn't 'attacked by a mob'
Good work by the customers in restraining him before he harmed anyone.

An armed man has died after being restrained by customers during an attempted robbery at a bookmakers, police said.

The man, in his 50s, was believed to be wearing a gas mask and holding a gun when he entered a Ladbrokes branch on Crownhill Road in Plymouth shortly before 7pm.

Customers managed to disarm him and held him on the floor while others raised the alarm, Devon and Cornwall Police said.

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:41AM

galwayrush wrote: »

How?, He was armed, better he died than some innocent person.

But you don't know if he intended to harm anyone. As I said I'm not justifying it I just think that saying he should die is harsh and uncalled for, And I also stand by what I said earlier, I don't think you would have the same opinion if it was someone close to you.

Yakuza · 26-01-2013 01:44AM

skyfall2012 wrote: »

No, my point is the man should not be killed by a mob, whether they be law abiding or not. Did you read the previous posts?

I've read the thread. Your post seemed to make some assertion that the clientele of the betting shop could be criminals, and thereby tainting the fact that they were just protecting themselves.

The bloke wasn't "killed by a mob" - he was restrained by the customers. Did you read the story?

skyfall2012 · 26-01-2013 01:45AM

Restraining doesn't usually cause death, if that is what caused his death. Ask yourself why the court system evolved and why we don't just hang people from trees when we read the news or someone tells us what happened.

Extinction · 26-01-2013 01:45AM

Bummppd wrote: »

But you don't know if he intended to harm anyone. As I said I'm not justifying it I just think that saying he should die is harsh and uncalled for, And I also stand by what I said earlier, I don't think you would have the same opinion if it was someone close to you.

Going into anywhere with a gun, even a replica, is harming the people you are robbing, the man intended to put the staff and customers in fear of their lives, so yes we do know that he intended to harm people.

galwayrush · 26-01-2013 01:49AM

Bummppd wrote: »

But you don't know if he intended to harm anyone. As I said I'm not justifying it I just think that saying he should die is harsh and uncalled for, And I also stand by what I said earlier, I don't think you would have the same opinion if it was someone close to you.

He was armed. I 'm not a bit sorry he died because of his actions, he chose to enter the place with obvious criminal intent, an armed scumbag can never be classed as harmless. I am happy no customer was harmed in the ordeal, that is the most important bit from this sorry saga.

I would not defend any family member if they were an armed scumbag.

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:49AM

Extinction wrote: »

Going into anywhere with a gun, even a replica, is harming the people you are robbing, the man intended to put the staff and customers in fear of their lives, so yes we do know that he intended to harm people.

All I'm saying is the man DID NOT deserve to die. Who are you people who think you can decide the value of a persons life?

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:51AM

galwayrush wrote: »

He was armed. I 'm not a bit sorry he died because of his actions, he chose to enter the place with obvious criminal intent, an armed scumbag can never be classed as harmless. I am happy no customer was harmed in the ordeal, that if the most important bit from this sorry saga.

I would not defend any family member if they were an armed scumbag.

Well then I say again.. I feel sorry for you and yours.

Yakuza · 26-01-2013 01:52AM

skyfall2012 wrote: »

Restraining doesn't usually cause death, if that is what caused his death. Ask yourself why the court system evolved and why we don't just hang people from trees when we read the news or someone tells us what happened.

I've already said on this thread that I didn't think he deserved to die, maybe he had a dodgy heart / health problems / choked on the gas mask he was wearing. I'm not going to speculate how he died. I am merely saying that your post referring to the character of the clients in the shop was (and I'm being generous here) irrelevant.

Extinction · 26-01-2013 01:52AM

Bummppd wrote: »

All I'm saying is the man DID NOT deserve to die. Who are you people who think you can decide the value of a persons life?

An armed robber puts a little or no value on his victims lives, why should he expect something more in return?

Bummppd · 26-01-2013 01:55AM

Extinction wrote: »

An armed robber puts a little or no value on his victims lives, why should he expect something more in return?

So are you lowering yourself to his standards then?

smellsfunny · 26-01-2013 01:56AM

Bummppd wrote: »

But you don't know if he intended to harm anyone. As I said I'm not justifying it I just think that saying he should die is harsh and uncalled for, And I also stand by what I said earlier, I don't think you would have the same opinion if it was someone close to you.

A scumbag is a scumbag. Their disgusting vile creatures. They have little or no conscience. The sooner a system is put in place to control them the better. You know straight away by looking at a scumbag that they are a scumbag. They all have the same facial characteristics and act the same and act like complete and utter thugs.

Something needs to be done because people are doing these crimes because there willing to risk it for a suspended sentence. Only people with 20 previous convictions are getting long jail sentences these days. And when I mean long 2 years at most.

UrbanSea · 26-01-2013 01:56AM

Chopperdog 2 wrote: »

You sir, are a wanker.
Show some respect for a man who lost his life in the line of duty.
You are nothing but a hateful ****.

Mods, I accept my ban, but I couldn't let this go.

Picked it up wrong.

Masked gun man dies after being restrained by shop staff

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