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Time to get tough on scumbags

  • 26-01-2013 12:34AM
    #1
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭


    More murders by armed gangs shooting non/less armed Garda.

    The rules of engagement are most likely different than the Army while escorting cash etc....I know from my time in Dundalk that we were told if 'it hit's the fan' forget the rules and fire!!

    I clearly remember being told fire until the target drops or if a vehicle keep firing till you have to move out of its way!!

    Sad thing if they were killed the guards would be hounded by 'did they need to fire' ****e that always pops up!

    In my eyes its simple, if a person pulls a firearm shoot the scumbag!!

    So are we going to continue to moan about arming our police force..this is not a wonderland, its not good Auld Ireland back in the day where you could leave your front door open and still keep your belongings!!

    The law is the law and if you break it and get caught tough ****!!

    *** Please do not mention tonight's news...keep it separate***


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  • #2
    sfwcork
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    So do you think we should just fire away like a good thing?


  • #3
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    What's the problem? The idea of harsher punishment than we have now did not go down well with boardsies http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056864063
    (Oh btw the way harsher punishment has worked in Japan)


  • #4
    Bowlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Bowlardo


    sfwcork wrote: »
    So do you think we should just fire away like a good thing?

    did you not read the post? the op clearly mentions if they are armed then they are in their right to shot back


  • #5
    RidleyRider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭RidleyRider


    So you want to shoot people?


  • #6
    Praetorian Saighdiuir
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    KwackerJack wrote: »
    The rules of engagement are most likely different than the Army while escorting cash etc....I know from my time in Dundalk that we were told if 'it hit's the fan' forget the rules and fire!!

    I clearly remember being told fire until the target drops or if a vehicle keep firing till you have to move out of its way!!


    Ha who told ya that? :confused:


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  • #7
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    sfwcork wrote: »
    So do you think we should just fire away like a good thing?

    Did I say that?? Fire back its not rocket science!!

    If you pull a firearm you have to be prepared to be shot at!

    Would you not fire back to protect your life or would you stand there and be killed because its 'not right' shooting back????


  • #8
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    We need more cowbell, its the only solution.


  • #9
    sfwcork
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    Cops shoud fire if fired upon or in extreme levels of danger

    Otherwise its just an excuse for them to fire whenever they see fit


  • #10
    Max Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Max Power


    Kill or be killed IMO.


  • #11
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    RidleyRider wrote: »
    So you want to shoot people?

    No...but if i was in the position of having to return fire to protect my life or the life of another I would!

    Typical Hippocratic nation..A Guard kills a man in self defense and he's a criminal...a citizen dies because a Guard does not return fire and he's condemned and should be held accountable for the death?????

    What do you people want...either they up hold the law or they hide in the bushes??


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  • #12
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    I don't think we need a thread to tell the Gardai to return fire when fired upon.


  • #13
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    FionnMcCool87 wrote: »
    Kill or be killed IMO.

    I suspect that's what the criminals will think once the police are armed, leading to more deaths in the force.


  • #14
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    sfwcork wrote: »
    Cops shoud fire if fired upon or in extreme levels of danger

    Otherwise its just an excuse for them to fire whenever they see fit

    Refusing Garda instruction to drop a firearm is fair game in my opinion. Obviously the same goes for pointing or firing at someone.


  • #15
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    A dead scumbag can't harm any more.


  • #16
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    This argument is about as circular as it gets.


  • #17
    sfwcork
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    Half the crowd in the gardai would probably shoot themselves in the foot

    Tullamore training is too kiss my arse for guns


  • #18
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    Blay wrote: »
    I don't think we need a thread to tell the Gardai to return fire when fired upon.

    No but the public seem to think its wrong to arm the force to protect themselves yet whinge and moan about gun crime???
    Nylah Wailing Truth wrote: »
    I suspect that's what the criminals will think once the police are armed, leading to more deaths in the force.

    Most will think twice knowing they are facing trained armed Gardai.....At the moment they feel more superior knowing all there coming up against is CS spray and a baton


  • #19
    BobbyPropane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭BobbyPropane


    We have to be cautious here. Our Police Force is like a service. We don't want a situation like in America where cops are running around like they bloody own the place firing at everyone causing more anger.


  • #20
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    This argument is about as circular as it gets.

    I can agree to a certain extent. But ask the criminals to get rid of their guns because the police don't have any?? See what response you get!!

    If they are armed well we need to respond in the same way or just let them just do as they please!


  • #21
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    KwackerJack wrote: »
    No but the public seem to think its wrong to arm the force to protect themselves yet whinge and moan about gun crime???

    I don't recall the public being consulted on it so it's a stretch to declare the public as being against arming the Gardai. The only ones who seem dead set against it are the Garda brass themselves.


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  • #22
    LETHAL LADY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    sfwcork wrote: »
    Half the crowd in the gardai would probably shoot themselves in the foot

    Tullamore training is too kiss my arse for guns

    Templemore.


  • #23
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    We have to be cautious here. Our Police Force is like a service. We don't want a situation like in America where cops are running around like they bloody own the place firing at everyone causing more anger.

    Our citizens do not have the same access to firearms as the Americans do so they possibly of meeting an armed man everyday are slim but the 'sure be grand' attitude has to stop!

    Train our force properly with severe punishment for breaking the rules.....but for god sake let our Guards defend themselves and get home to their family's!!


  • #24
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    That time has come and gone. For example in my housing estate where I have lived for nearly 19 years. There has never been a robbery until back in november when there were 3 robberies in one day, today there was another. It was more than likely the same people who do the others because very similar method, same time of day etc. The call was made to the gardai at around 10 this morning, the guards didn't arrive until 10 to six this evening. This is a small estate, 20 houses, and in neither instance did any guard come around and ask did anyone see anything.

    This isn't me slagging off the guards, this is me slagging off a system where it takes 8 hours for a guard to arrive at the scene of a crime. As for guns, yes it would make them safer but would it really do anything? I honestly don't think so. Criminals have gotten so brazen because they know that they can get away with it. The guards can't use these weapons when they aren't enough of the guards in the first place. They are stretched to the limit, I don't envy their job right now. I tried ringing the Garda station a couple of weeks ago with query, it was about 5 in the evening and no one answered the phone, the first time that's ever happened.

    People on here say all the time that this country is lawless, and while it's a bit drastic I do think it's going that way. With Garda station closures and the severe cuts we have a force that is slowly but surely being brought to it's knees. I feel sorry for the guards, but I feel more sorry for the innocent people who are being targeted by brazen criminals who's crimes often go uninvestigated.


  • #25
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    Blay wrote: »
    I don't recall the public being consulted on it so it's a stretch to declare the public as being against arming the Gardai. The only ones who seem dead set against it are the Garda brass themselves.

    They why so many negative post's about it??

    Either we have a force to uphold the law or we just give up and bow to drug dealers!


  • #26
    BobbyPropane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭BobbyPropane


    KwackerJack wrote: »
    Our citizens do not have the same access to firearms as the Americans do so they possibly of meeting an armed man everyday are slim but the 'sure be grand' attitude has to stop!

    Train our force properly with severe punishment for breaking the rules.....but for god sake let our Guards defend themselves and get home to their family's!!

    The Garda was armed too I presume(Detective). It didn't make a difference. Gardaí being killed is not a regular occurrence!


  • #27
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    KwackerJack wrote: »
    I can agree to a certain extent. But ask the criminals to get rid of their guns because the police don't have any?? See what response you get!!

    If they are armed well we need to respond in the same way or just let them just do as they please!

    I'm talking about the for / against parties, here. No opinions get changed. It goes around and around, with the exact same points being made by both sides until it inevitably devolves into over the top slagging. I've been a spectator in a few of these, and it always plays out the exact same way.

    Let's be honest, no one has the fucking answer. No one knows what the result will be. Basing it on another country is pointless because of the insane amount of variables involved. It's Schroedinger's Cat, guys. You don't know if the cat will shoot you for your shoes or not until you open the box.


  • #28
    Stained Class
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    As long as there's the generous levels of Social Welfare in this country, there will always be an underclass with an endless sense of entitlement without putting in hard work.

    Some families now are on their 4th or 5th generation of living off the State.

    Not much hope of getting any of them to do anything useful, untill their 'entitlements' (or goolies) are cut off.


  • #29
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    The Garda was armed too I presume(Detective). It didn't make a difference. Gardaí being killed is not a regular occurrence!

    No but murders involving firearms are ever present..and it will come a time where they will not think twice about killing a Guard to get away!

    The very second gangs are armed in any country is the time where law enforcement has to step up and fight back no matter how many cops are shot they should not have to take the chance


  • #30
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Serious question - I'm just asking because people on the thread are calling for the gardai to be armed in response to this tragic event, but including this incident how often is a member of the gardai shot in the line of duty?


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  • #31
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    KwackerJack wrote: »
    They why so many negative post's about it??

    Either we have a force to uphold the law or we just give up and bow to drug dealers!

    A few posts on an internet forum is hardly indicative of wider public opinion on the issue in fairness.


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