it's expensive because it's artisic!?

B.A._Baracus · 25-01-2013 06:24AM #1

Randomly came across this website: http://www.celinewright.com

I won't bore you with a long post so check these out:

- €489 euro for a Shi*ty lamp.
- €360 for a Shi*ty lamp in some sort of paper-shell.
- €219 for a Shi*ty egg shaped lamp

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!!

Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

Snowie · 25-01-2013 06:27AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?!

Thats gonna look awesome in my Huf haus :cool:

cheers

mikemac1 · 25-01-2013 06:33AM

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Snowie · 25-01-2013 06:39AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Your just an uncultured lout.

kneemos · 25-01-2013 06:41AM

They're made from high quality materials presumably plus the exclustivity of the design makes them more expensive I'd imagine.You can buy a lamp in Dunnes for a tenner that will function perfectly well as a lamp but chances are no one will ever look twice at it whereas those things will be admired and injoyed for their design for years,to cut a long story short you pays your money you makes your choice.

AlmightyCushion · 25-01-2013 06:45AM

kneemos wrote: »

You can buy a lamp in Dunnes for a tenner that will function perfectly well as a lamp but chances are no one will ever look twice at it whereas those things will be admired and injoyed for their design for years

Who cares, it's a lamp.

endacl · 25-01-2013 06:47AM

And who pays half a million for a car with only two seats?!?

A thing is worth what you're willing to pay for it. I wouldn't pay over 20 quid for a lamp, but I've a guitar worth over 12k. That's mad money to most people, but my choice. And worth it to me. Even though its the only one I never perform on! Go figure...

There's more to design than function. If you privilege functionality, of course its overpriced. If you want 'that' lamp, and no other lamp will do for whatever reason, once you're kids aren't starving and the ar5e isn't hanging out of your trousers, who is anybody else to criticise?

Edit: WTF are you doing looking up lamps at this hour of the night?!?

Further Edit: Those are nice lamps! Wouldn't pay that much for them, but then again, who's making me?

MadsL · 25-01-2013 07:14AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Could you post some examples of your own work...

kneemos · 25-01-2013 07:14AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Who cares, it's a lamp.

Those designer things are probably not that effective as lamps,more like pieces of furniture I'd say.

mikemac1 · 25-01-2013 07:15AM

MadsL wrote: »

Could you post some examples of your own work...

Sure, I'll ask the mammy does she still have my scribbles from when I was two :P

im invisible · 25-01-2013 07:26AM

I LOVE LAMP!

endacl · 25-01-2013 07:28AM

im invisible wrote: »

I LOVE LAMP!

Woah there big fella!!!

Ruudi_Mentari · 25-01-2013 07:28AM

That lamp looks more autistic

chin up you radiate light, don't forget that

MadsL · 25-01-2013 07:37AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Sure, I'll ask the mammy does she still have my scribbles from when I was two :P

I'll take that as a no then. So you have no artistic talent but feel that you have the qualification to piss on someone who does. Arrogant much?

mikemac1 · 25-01-2013 07:44AM

If that's the case we may as well shut down every sports forum on boards.ie

I don't rate a lot of Premiership footballers but every single one of them is more talented then I'll ever be

MadsL · 25-01-2013 08:01AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

If that's the case we may as well shut down every sports forum on boards.ie

I don't rate a lot of Premiership footballers but every single one of them is more talented then I'll ever be

You are quite a talented begrudger though...

mikemac1 · 25-01-2013 08:12AM

Most overused word on boards

krudler · 25-01-2013 08:17AM

MadsL wrote: »

I'll take that as a no then. So you have no artistic talent but feel that you have the qualification to piss on someone who does. Arrogant much?

Wait, so because you can't do something, means you can't criticise anyone who can? Everyone? Everyone! stop having opinions!

mikemac1 · 25-01-2013 08:20AM

Tis true Krudler

I was going to head to golf forum to chat about the Masters in Augusta but I realized I'm not an elite golfer so I need to STFU

There are less then 20 people in Ireland who are allowed post on this subject on boards.ie

sparksfly · 25-01-2013 08:21AM

krudler wrote: »

Wait, so because you can't do something, means you can't criticise anyone who can? Everyone? Everyone! stop having opinions!

Precisely, you dont have to be able to lay an egg to tell a good one from a rotten one.

Snowie · 25-01-2013 09:10AM

sparksfly wrote: »

Precisely, you dont have to be able to lay an egg to tell a good one from a rotten one.

You should be one of those cryptic monks that live in china...

gobnaitolunacy · 25-01-2013 09:17AM

If you got the money and want to buy it, buy it.
If not, don't. It's that simple.

I'd make way better lamps than that out of coat hangers and toilet roll inserts, sell them for half the price and put her out of business.

kneemos · 25-01-2013 09:30AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Just the same vivid colours in a different combination.

sbsquarepants · 25-01-2013 09:35AM

It's just a matter of personal taste, and how you personaly assign value.
No object, artistic or functional has an intrinsic value. Everything is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay.
You can buy a ceramic urinal in Smyths for €50, if you want the exact one signed R.Mutt ( ie Marcel Duchamp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)) it will cost you nearly €2 million - the difference - there are other people out there who will pay €2m for the R.Mutt version, those same people will only pay €50 for the one from Smyths builders providers. That's the only "real" difference between the 2.

kneemos · 25-01-2013 09:41AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's just a matter of personal taste, and how you personaly assign value.
No object, artistic or functional has an intrinsic value. Everything is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay.
You can buy a ceramic urinal in Smyths for €50, if you want the exact one signed R.Mutt ( ie Marcel Duchamp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)) it will cost you nearly €2 million - the difference - there are other people out there who will pay €2m for the R.Mutt version, those same people will only pay €50 for the one from Smyths builders providers. That's the only "real" difference between the 2.

Well there's rarity,artistic merit,originality,beauty,good design.

CruelCoin · 25-01-2013 10:48AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Randomly came across this website: http://www.celinewright.com

I won't bore you with a long post so check these out:

- €489 euro for a Shi*ty lamp.
- €360 for a Shi*ty lamp in some sort of paper-shell.
- €219 for a Shi*ty egg shaped lamp

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

Fairly sure i saw renditions of all of those at IKEA for a fiver....

25-01-2013 11:09AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

People have different tastes. If you don't like them, don't buy them.

If someone likes them and can afford them, that's their business and it doesn't make them a nut job.

I'd prefer spend a fair bit on one beautiful thing that makes me happy when I look at it, than a house full of bits of crap that I don't even see.

Those lamps wouldn't do it for me though.

25-01-2013 11:17AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Tis true Krudler

I was going to head to golf forum to chat about the Masters in Augusta but I realized I'm not an elite golfer so I need to STFU

There are less then 20 people in Ireland who are allowed post on this subject on boards.ie

If you have an interest in golf, then sure, feel free to post your opinions in the golf forum, however if you want to discuss golfing technique and criticise a professional golfer for not being able to do something which you could do when you were a 2 year old, then don't expect anyone to take you seriously, unless of course, your mammy has a video of you smacking one straight down the middle at the 18th at Wentworth.

You took a gratuitous sideswipe at Kevin Sharkey who is, in my opinion, an excellent artist, I happen to have one of his paintings in my home, I love it and so do my children, worth every penny, and it wasn't overly expensive.

These 'I'm so proud to be a Philistine' threads can be funny, but only occasionally.

By the way, I too have a sense of humour, a better one than most professional comedians, just ask my mammy and everyone who knows me, even when I'm being serious, they're constantly laughing in my face.

sbsquarepants · 25-01-2013 11:22AM

kneemos wrote: »

Well there's rarity,artistic merit,originality,beauty,good design.

Those are all objective though, there is no absolute, fundamental difference.

Rarity..... it's a mass produced item.
Artistic Merit...... it's a mass produced urinal, why don't the others have this merit?
Originality.....again, mass produced
Beauty.....eh, whatever floats your boat, it's a urinal:)
Good Design.....It's quite good at catching piss and spilling it into a sewer!

Now don't get me wrong, i actually quite like it. But it is no more intrinsicly worth €2m than it is worth any other amount. Why €2million, why not €6.27, why not €3.7 billion, why not any other amount? It's only "worth" €2million because that's what somebody was willing to pay for it.

kneemos · 25-01-2013 11:43AM

9959 wrote: »

If you have an interest in golf, then sure, feel free to post your opinions in the golf forum, however if you want to discuss golfing technique and criticise a professional golfer for not being able to do something which you could do when you were a 2 year old, then don't expect anyone to take you seriously, unless of course, your mammy has a video of you smacking one straight down the middle at the 18th at Wentworth.

You took a gratuitous sideswipe at Kevin Sharkey who is, in my opinion, an excellent artist, I happen to have one of his paintings in my home, I love it and so do my children, worth every penny, and it wasn't overly expensive.

These 'I'm so proud to be a Philistine' threads can be funny, but only occasionally.

By the way, I too have a sense of humour, a better one than most professional comedians, just ask my mammy and everyone who knows me, even when I'm being serious, they're constantly laughing in my face.

Kevin Sharkys paintings have a definite sameness about

Wibbs · 25-01-2013 11:50AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Who cares, it's a lamp.

So is a Tiffany lamp. Quality back in the day though and actually rare these days.

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Those are all objective though, there is no absolute, fundamental difference.

Rarity..... it's a mass produced item.
Artistic Merit...... it's a mass produced urinal, why don't the others have this merit?
Originality.....again, mass produced
Beauty.....eh, whatever floats your boat, it's a urinal:)
Good Design.....It's quite good at catching piss and spilling it into a sewer!

Now don't get me wrong, i actually quite like it. But it is no more intrinsicly worth €2m than it is worth any other amount. Why €2million, why not €6.27, why not €3.7 billion, why not any other amount? It's only "worth" €2million because that's what somebody was willing to pay for it.

+1000 The reason it's worth the money is that old chestnut "authenticity" and the signature gives it that. The A word is what does it all the time. It's how you can sell "limited editions" of 10,000 to people. It's authentic you know and that makes you authentic and unique, just like the other 10,000 who bought the same.

And it's not just tat either, high end stuff comes out with this authentic limited edition stuff too. Shít in wristwatches I've seen the newer "Authentic homage limited to 200,000 pieces" costs way more than the original of the species where there may only be a couple of hundred left. Must be the lack of limited edition pleather box and papers in faux vellum that does it...

it's expensive because it's artisic!?

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