it's expensive because it's artisic!?

B.A._Baracus

Randomly came across this website: http://www.celinewright.com

I won't bore you with a long post so check these out:

- €489 euro for a Shi*ty lamp.
- €360 for a Shi*ty lamp in some sort of paper-shell.
- €219 for a Shi*ty egg shaped lamp

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

Snowie

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?!

Thats gonna look awesome in my Huf haus :cool:

cheers

mikemac1

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Snowie

mikemac1 wrote: »

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Your just an uncultured lout.

kneemos

They're made from high quality materials presumably plus the exclustivity of the design makes them more expensive I'd imagine.You can buy a lamp in Dunnes for a tenner that will function perfectly well as a lamp but chances are no one will ever look twice at it whereas those things will be admired and injoyed for their design for years,to cut a long story short you pays your money you makes your choice.

AlmightyCushion

kneemos wrote: »

You can buy a lamp in Dunnes for a tenner that will function perfectly well as a lamp but chances are no one will ever look twice at it whereas those things will be admired and injoyed for their design for years

Who cares, it's a lamp.

endacl

And who pays half a million for a car with only two seats?!?

A thing is worth what you're willing to pay for it. I wouldn't pay over 20 quid for a lamp, but I've a guitar worth over 12k. That's mad money to most people, but my choice. And worth it to me. Even though its the only one I never perform on! Go figure...

There's more to design than function. If you privilege functionality, of course its overpriced. If you want 'that' lamp, and no other lamp will do for whatever reason, once you're kids aren't starving and the ar5e isn't hanging out of your trousers, who is anybody else to criticise?

Edit: WTF are you doing looking up lamps at this hour of the night?!?

Further Edit: Those are nice lamps! Wouldn't pay that much for them, but then again, who's making me?

MadsL

mikemac1 wrote: »

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Could you post some examples of your own work...

kneemos

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Who cares, it's a lamp.

Those designer things are probably not that effective as lamps,more like pieces of furniture I'd say.

mikemac1

MadsL wrote: »

Could you post some examples of your own work...

Sure, I'll ask the mammy does she still have my scribbles from when I was two :P

im invisible

I LOVE LAMP!

endacl

im invisible wrote: »

I LOVE LAMP!

Woah there big fella!!!

Ruudi_Mentari

That lamp looks more autistic

chin up you radiate light, don't forget that

MadsL

mikemac1 wrote: »

Sure, I'll ask the mammy does she still have my scribbles from when I was two :P

I'll take that as a no then. So you have no artistic talent but feel that you have the qualification to piss on someone who does. Arrogant much?

mikemac1

If that's the case we may as well shut down every sports forum on boards.ie

I don't rate a lot of Premiership footballers but every single one of them is more talented then I'll ever be

MadsL

mikemac1 wrote: »

If that's the case we may as well shut down every sports forum on boards.ie

I don't rate a lot of Premiership footballers but every single one of them is more talented then I'll ever be

You are quite a talented begrudger though...

mikemac1

Most overused word on boards

krudler

MadsL wrote: »

I'll take that as a no then. So you have no artistic talent but feel that you have the qualification to piss on someone who does. Arrogant much?

Wait, so because you can't do something, means you can't criticise anyone who can? Everyone? Everyone! stop having opinions!

mikemac1

Tis true Krudler

I was going to head to golf forum to chat about the Masters in Augusta but I realized I'm not an elite golfer so I need to STFU

There are less then 20 people in Ireland who are allowed post on this subject on boards.ie

sparksfly

krudler wrote: »

Wait, so because you can't do something, means you can't criticise anyone who can? Everyone? Everyone! stop having opinions!

Precisely, you dont have to be able to lay an egg to tell a good one from a rotten one.

Snowie

sparksfly wrote: »

Precisely, you dont have to be able to lay an egg to tell a good one from a rotten one.

You should be one of those cryptic monks that live in china...

gobnaitolunacy

If you got the money and want to buy it, buy it.
If not, don't. It's that simple.

I'd make way better lamps than that out of coat hangers and toilet roll inserts, sell them for half the price and put her out of business.

kneemos

mikemac1 wrote: »

You'll pay several hundred euro minimum for a Kevin Sharkey painting.
Ah you know him, the Donegal priest

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

Load a ****e

Just the same vivid colours in a different combination.

sbsquarepants

It's just a matter of personal taste, and how you personaly assign value.
No object, artistic or functional has an intrinsic value. Everything is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay.
You can buy a ceramic urinal in Smyths for €50, if you want the exact one signed R.Mutt ( ie Marcel Duchamp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)) it will cost you nearly €2 million - the difference - there are other people out there who will pay €2m for the R.Mutt version, those same people will only pay €50 for the one from Smyths builders providers. That's the only "real" difference between the 2.

kneemos

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's just a matter of personal taste, and how you personaly assign value.
No object, artistic or functional has an intrinsic value. Everything is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay.
You can buy a ceramic urinal in Smyths for €50, if you want the exact one signed R.Mutt ( ie Marcel Duchamp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)) it will cost you nearly €2 million - the difference - there are other people out there who will pay €2m for the R.Mutt version, those same people will only pay €50 for the one from Smyths builders providers. That's the only "real" difference between the 2.

Well there's rarity,artistic merit,originality,beauty,good design.

CruelCoin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Randomly came across this website: http://www.celinewright.com

I won't bore you with a long post so check these out:

- €489 euro for a Shi*ty lamp.
- €360 for a Shi*ty lamp in some sort of paper-shell.
- €219 for a Shi*ty egg shaped lamp

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

Fairly sure i saw renditions of all of those at IKEA for a fiver....

B.A._Baracus

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

People have different tastes. If you don't like them, don't buy them.

If someone likes them and can afford them, that's their business and it doesn't make them a nut job.

I'd prefer spend a fair bit on one beautiful thing that makes me happy when I look at it, than a house full of bits of crap that I don't even see.

Those lamps wouldn't do it for me though.

9959

mikemac1 wrote: »

Tis true Krudler

I was going to head to golf forum to chat about the Masters in Augusta but I realized I'm not an elite golfer so I need to STFU

There are less then 20 people in Ireland who are allowed post on this subject on boards.ie

If you have an interest in golf, then sure, feel free to post your opinions in the golf forum, however if you want to discuss golfing technique and criticise a professional golfer for not being able to do something which you could do when you were a 2 year old, then don't expect anyone to take you seriously, unless of course, your mammy has a video of you smacking one straight down the middle at the 18th at Wentworth.

You took a gratuitous sideswipe at Kevin Sharkey who is, in my opinion, an excellent artist, I happen to have one of his paintings in my home, I love it and so do my children, worth every penny, and it wasn't overly expensive.

These 'I'm so proud to be a Philistine' threads can be funny, but only occasionally.

By the way, I too have a sense of humour, a better one than most professional comedians, just ask my mammy and everyone who knows me, even when I'm being serious, they're constantly laughing in my face.

sbsquarepants

kneemos wrote: »

Well there's rarity,artistic merit,originality,beauty,good design.

Those are all objective though, there is no absolute, fundamental difference.

Rarity..... it's a mass produced item.
Artistic Merit...... it's a mass produced urinal, why don't the others have this merit?
Originality.....again, mass produced
Beauty.....eh, whatever floats your boat, it's a urinal:)
Good Design.....It's quite good at catching piss and spilling it into a sewer!

Now don't get me wrong, i actually quite like it. But it is no more intrinsicly worth €2m than it is worth any other amount. Why €2million, why not €6.27, why not €3.7 billion, why not any other amount? It's only "worth" €2million because that's what somebody was willing to pay for it.

kneemos

9959 wrote: »

If you have an interest in golf, then sure, feel free to post your opinions in the golf forum, however if you want to discuss golfing technique and criticise a professional golfer for not being able to do something which you could do when you were a 2 year old, then don't expect anyone to take you seriously, unless of course, your mammy has a video of you smacking one straight down the middle at the 18th at Wentworth.

You took a gratuitous sideswipe at Kevin Sharkey who is, in my opinion, an excellent artist, I happen to have one of his paintings in my home, I love it and so do my children, worth every penny, and it wasn't overly expensive.

These 'I'm so proud to be a Philistine' threads can be funny, but only occasionally.

By the way, I too have a sense of humour, a better one than most professional comedians, just ask my mammy and everyone who knows me, even when I'm being serious, they're constantly laughing in my face.

Kevin Sharkys paintings have a definite sameness about

Wibbs

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Who cares, it's a lamp.

So is a Tiffany lamp. Quality back in the day though and actually rare these days.

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Those are all objective though, there is no absolute, fundamental difference.

Rarity..... it's a mass produced item.
Artistic Merit...... it's a mass produced urinal, why don't the others have this merit?
Originality.....again, mass produced
Beauty.....eh, whatever floats your boat, it's a urinal:)
Good Design.....It's quite good at catching piss and spilling it into a sewer!

Now don't get me wrong, i actually quite like it. But it is no more intrinsicly worth €2m than it is worth any other amount. Why €2million, why not €6.27, why not €3.7 billion, why not any other amount? It's only "worth" €2million because that's what somebody was willing to pay for it.

+1000 The reason it's worth the money is that old chestnut "authenticity" and the signature gives it that. The A word is what does it all the time. It's how you can sell "limited editions" of 10,000 to people. It's authentic you know and that makes you authentic and unique, just like the other 10,000 who bought the same.

And it's not just tat either, high end stuff comes out with this authentic limited edition stuff too. Shít in wristwatches I've seen the newer "Authentic homage limited to 200,000 pieces" costs way more than the original of the species where there may only be a couple of hundred left. Must be the lack of limited edition pleather box and papers in faux vellum that does it...

April O Neill

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Randomly came across this website: http://www.celinewright.com

I won't bore you with a long post so check these out:

- €489 euro for a Shi*ty lamp.
- €360 for a Shi*ty lamp in some sort of paper-shell.
- €219 for a Shi*ty egg shaped lamp

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

Those lamps are kinda cool! I wouldn't pay that, mainly because I can't. Obviously the people who buy them can afford them. But they are not bogstandard lamps.

April O Neill

MadsL wrote: »

I'll take that as a no then. So you have no artistic talent but feel that you have the qualification to piss on someone who does. Arrogant much?

Well, no matter if someone themselves has a talent doesn't mean they can't discern if they like someone else's output.

I can't write songs or music but I know what I think sounds good and bad!

Sinfonia

April O Neill wrote: »

MadsL wrote: »

I'll take that as a no then. So you have no artistic talent but feel that you have the qualification to piss on someone who does. Arrogant much?

Well, no matter if someone themselves has a talent doesn't mean they can't discern if they like someone else's output.

I can't write songs or music but I know what I think sounds good and bad!

There's a difference between informed criticism and this:

mikemac1 wrote: »

It's blotches of paint

A 2 year old could have done it

Load a ****e

kingtiger

have a look at this for value :pac:

http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Diamond-2m-Braided-Cable/dp/B003CT2A2M

April O Neill

Sinfonia wrote: »

There's a difference between informed criticism and this:

A person looks at a painting. Does not find the painting aesthetically pleasing. Please talk me through the criteria that decides whether this person's opinion is valid or invalid.

books4sale

mikemac1 wrote: »

A 2 year old could have done it

http://www.thestreetgallery.com/kevinsharkey/

No! A 2 year old couldn't have done it so enough said about your knowledge regarding the arts.

Allyall

books4sale wrote: »

No! A 2 year old couldn't have done it so enough said about your knowledge regarding the arts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lxVTxn2h0g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr_CBVFUIF4

9959

kneemos wrote: »

Kevin Sharkys paintings have a definite sameness about

The same could be said of Francis Bacon.
If you don't like Kevin Sharkey's paintings, then that's fine, at least you're not blackguarding his work.
Good luck to you.

books4sale

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Randomly came across this website: http://www.celinewright.com

I won't bore you with a long post so check these out:

- €489 euro for a Shi*ty lamp.
- €360 for a Shi*ty lamp in some sort of paper-shell.
- €219 for a Shi*ty egg shaped lamp

.. you can look at the website for more madness. But the question I ask, do nutjobs actually pay for this type of crap?!?!! Is this meant to be art?! ... Or is this a chancers dream?

Cool lamps!

Someone spent quite a bit of bit of time and research, designing, developing and building these lamps. These crafts people deserve a return for their work.

On top of that, they're not your mass produced bog standard corporate financied IKEA sh*te that you'll find in every second house around the country. Nice to see something different.

As strange as it might sound to you OP, some people like lamps, others like art, then they're those into cars, houses, films, premiership football, comic books, the list goes on!

Would I buy these lamps? No, I wouldn't, I have no interest yet I wouldn't brand a buyer as a 'nutjob' for having an interest.

Its easy to attack someone's work so let's see your effort OP before you brand another craftperson's work as sh*te.

Boombastic

kneemos wrote: »

Those designer things are probably not that effective as lamps,more like pieces of furniture I'd say.

It's not furniture, it's art:p


Like that urinal than won the Turner prize a few years ago, quality:pac:

books4sale

@Allyall, I see where you are coming from but give any two year child bottles of paint and they will squeeze and mix to their heart's content.

Kevin Sharkey's work is more developed than than this and doesn't deserve the label, it's just blotches of paint. So no, a two year couldn't repeat what Kevin Sharkey standard of work.

Sinfonia

April O Neill wrote: »

A person looks at a painting. Does not find the painting aesthetically pleasing. Please talk me through the criteria that decides whether this person's opinion is valid or invalid.

It's not the validity of one's opinion I took issue with; it's the validity of the nature of their criticism.

There is a lot more to the appreciation of art than just aesthetics.
However, if you were to insist that the valuation of a work of art was to be based on aesthetics alone, and that one's immediate reaction was to remain their opinion of the work, this is obviously more troublesome in debate as the act of processing aesthetic elements of a piece involves more subjectivity than - for example - analysis of structure, historical context, etc.

Artists and their works have rarely been appreciated well by the wider public in their own time. Our modern art is no exception, but the current wider public does have an appreciation for earlier artists, despite how those artists may have been ignored, neglected and displeasing to public tastes in their own time.
The principal reason is that most people are most comfortable with what they know and what they are used to, and have no interest in being challenged by an art form (and there's nothing wrong with that).
Consequently, the most popular works of art (in any form) will be those that maintain familiarity, while those works that are not familiar will be enjoyed mostly by those who hold what is essentially a niche interest in that particular art form.
As an example, the most popular songs that are enjoyed by the wider public are typically those with straightforward structures, even time signatures, homophonic textures, standard consonant chord progressions and lyrical melodies. To write a song that avoids all of those elements is to knowingly move away from widespread popularity. A piece may be a work of revolutionary genius, and be utterly despised by the wider public in its own time (Stravinsky's Rite of Spring comes to mind), simply because it is unprecedented and therefore not immediately understood.

The immediate reaction of a person to the aesthetic properties of a work is not invalid, and their lasting opinion based on that is not necessarily invalid, but if one is to heavily censure that work immediately without any effort to assess it critically, I would argue that their criticism is invalid.

kneemos

9959 wrote: »

The same could be said of Francis Bacon.
If you don't like Kevin Sharkey's paintings, then that's fine, at least you're not blackguarding his work.
Good luck to you.

I do quite like them,the guys got talent but it just looks as if he's found a winning formula and stuck with it,a bit like those comedy series that have the same jokes every week.Having looked up his work I'll withdraw my comment and say it all looks quite good and original.

books4sale

kneemos wrote: »

but it just looks as if he's found a winning formula and stuck with it,a bit like those comedy series that have the same jokes every week.Having looked up his work.

Seriously man, isn't that what most people try to do in life? Find your own unique niche or idea, exploit it to the max, check out with the kudos.

Just because the guy is well known doesn't make him wealthy. A lot of these artists started out penniless and spent years like that perfecting their technique.

Bills have to be paid and money doesn't fall out of trees. Why wouldn't he stick with his winning formula now?

lightspeed

all joking aside lads, how does someone get their artwork established and into galleries and such?

Im no da vinci but there is a lot of ****e auld paintings and sculptures out there, Id very much like to give it a go.

AlmightyCushion

kneemos wrote: »

Those designer things are probably not that effective as lamps,more like pieces of furniture I'd say.

That's even worse. If I'm spending €500 on a lamp, I at least want it to be a decent lamp.

3ndahalfof6

Buy the 11 inch, 1 foot subway, freeze it for 20 years, you should get at least 2 million or close to it when you decide to sell it.

3ndahalfof6

lightspeed wrote: »

all joking aside lads, how does someone get their artwork established and into galleries and such?

Im no da vinci but there is a lot of ****e auld paintings and sculptures out there, Id very much like to give it a go.

Get of your asss and canvas yourself, do not wait for someone to do it for you, all the best and be lucky, (luck has a lot to do with it).

goose2005

endacl wrote: »

And who pays half a million for a car with only two seats?!?
I've a guitar worth over 12k.

*looks through endacl's post history to work out his address and rob it* :pac:

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Those are all objective though, there is no absolute, fundamental difference.

Rarity..... it's a mass produced item.
Artistic Merit...... it's a mass produced urinal, why don't the others have this merit?
Originality.....again, mass produced
Beauty.....eh, whatever floats your boat, it's a urinal:)
Good Design.....It's quite good at catching piss and spilling it into a sewer!

Now don't get me wrong, i actually quite like it. But it is no more intrinsicly worth €2m than it is worth any other amount. Why €2million, why not €6.27, why not €3.7 billion, why not any other amount? It's only "worth" €2million because that's what somebody was willing to pay for it.

I suppose it's a "piece of history", in the same way that Gandhi's glasses aren't just a cheap pair of glasses, or Darth Vader's original light saber isn't just an old movie prop.

B.A._Baracus

books4sale wrote: »

Cool lamps!

Someone spent quite a bit of bit of time and research, designing, developing and building these lamps. These crafts people deserve a return for their work.

On top of that, they're not your mass produced bog standard corporate financied IKEA sh*te that you'll find in every second house around the country. Nice to see something different.

As strange as it might sound to you OP, some people like lamps, others like art, then they're those into cars, houses, films, premiership football, comic books, the list goes on!

Would I buy these lamps? No, I wouldn't, I have no interest yet I wouldn't brand a buyer as a 'nutjob' for having an interest.

Its easy to attack someone's work so let's see your effort OP before you brand another craftperson's work as sh*te.

Perhaps you should learn the value of a single euro before giving me crap

But don't just hit that reply button just yet.... how about I goto Bray beach tomorrow. I'll rustle up some nice looking stones and make a necklace out of them ... Tell you what books4sale, i'll let you have that necklace for only €185. It's a bargain. Because it's an "artisic necklace made from mother earth"

But it dont stop there. I'll grab a nice looking stone and sell it to you as a 'stress stone' ... only cost you €29.99, man.


How about you wake up and see the world for what it is