Anti religion in Ireland

Dick phelan · 21-01-2013 06:44PM #1

First off i have to say i am not a practicing catholic however it seems to me that so many people in ireland and on boards have no tolerance to other peoples faith, Every time a religious person seems to express an opinion on boards ie the abortion debates they get put down and insulted being called out dated religious idiots frankly everyone has a right to have their faith and hold certain views based on that faith so why are so many on boards against religion and people who follow it in general

Sarky · 21-01-2013 06:45PM

This will end well.

The_Gatsby · 21-01-2013 06:45PM

BOARDZ NEEDZ MOAR JEZUS

brummytom · 21-01-2013 06:45PM

Here we go again...

jaffacakesyum · 21-01-2013 06:47PM

It's only on boards.ie to be honest. Most people in real life are quite pro-religion in my opinion. Just look at all the a la carte Catholics who aren't religious themselves but don't denounce their faith and are still quite proud to call themselves Catholic.

Personally, I am not anti any religion. People are free to their own beliefs. It's when religion influences society and law that p1sses me off.

the groutch · 21-01-2013 06:50PM

I myself (and others) have no problem with people having religious beliefs.
it's when they try force these beliefs onto us, or try use them to dictate how we lead our lives that I take issue.

Death and Taxes · 21-01-2013 06:50PM

Sarky wrote: »

This will end well.

No, it won't, it will end oh so badly!:rolleyes:

TwoShedsJackson · 21-01-2013 06:50PM

Dick phelan wrote: »

frankly everyone has a right to have their faith and hold certain views based on that faith so why are so many on boards against religion and people who follow it in general

They certainly do have a right to their faith. What they don't have a right to is to attempt to force other people to conform what they regard as morally acceptable.

AnonoBoy · 21-01-2013 06:51PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

It's only on boards.ie to be honest.

It's not.

My Facebook feed is full of people complaining about the outdated views of religious people in Ireland who want to force their views on the rest of us.

Czarcasm · 21-01-2013 06:52PM

With a name like Dick feelin' phelan, I have to ask-

Do you work in a semenary?

Owen_S · 21-01-2013 06:54PM

If I believed in a zombie resurrecting and saving the world, I would expect people to take the piss.

Sarky · 21-01-2013 06:55PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

No, it won't, it will end oh so badly!:rolleyes:

It's won't bloody end at all, in reality. Time and again someone will say "Hey, would you mind not enforcing your religious belief on me?" and someone will go off and shout "OMG them atiests are so intolerant!" And then Phil will say something about jebubs, people will call him out, he'll disappear, others will make stupid claims and when called on their bull will hide behind "whatever man just my opinion" like that's some kind of excuse for being thicker than pigsh*t.

The whole tedious cycle of repetitive asshattery is doomed to continue forever.

Dick phelan · 21-01-2013 06:56PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

With a name like Dick feelin' phelan, I have to ask-

Do you work in a semenary?

Lol No ye i must say the name seemed somewhat funny one drunken night not so much now anyway my point is it would be almost impossible to not allow in some way to have a persons faith influence their disictions on voting for laws even in their subconciousness

dollypet · 21-01-2013 06:57PM

There is nothing wrong with religion. I'm a catholic myself. The problem arises when so called "religious" people feel the need to start ramming their belief process down the throats of other people.

I think it’s fair to say that we in this country have had enough of that. Added to that the too close relationship between church and state. Now there are historical reasons for this but it gave rise to a homogenisation of Irish culture where only a certain type of person was considered "good" and "respectable" *shudders*.

THIS is what people find offensive. Certainly what I find offensive. When the main tenet of my religion is be in tune with your god and try to be the best person you can. This has been moulded and morphed into be disrespectful of anyone who does not (at least publicly) follow your (not you in particular OP) very narrow view of the world.

Rented Mule · 21-01-2013 06:57PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

It's only on boards.ie to be honest. Most people in real life are quite pro-religion in my opinion. Just look at all the a la carte Catholics who aren't religious themselves but don't denounce their faith and are still quite proud to call themselves Catholic.

I often wonder how much of that is more to do with being 'Irish' in the nationalistic sense.

Personally, I am not anti any religion. People are free to their own beliefs. It's when religion influences society and law that p1sses me off.

Couldn't agree more with you.

im invisible · 21-01-2013 07:00PM

Havnt read the OP, but thanked it, because you can never have enough religion threads on After Hours

The King of Moo · 21-01-2013 07:01PM

I'm not religious, but people have every right to try to impose their religious beliefs on others through legislation if they're elected individuals operating within the framework of the law. And religious people have every right to try to influence them.

I might not like it, but if people with religious beliefs are elected to public office, one can't expect those people not to be influenced by their beliefs, be they religious or otherwise.

stateofflux · 21-01-2013 07:03PM

i have a big problem with faiths that believe in restricting peoples freedom. i.e. most religions.In Ireland i cannot respect catholicism given its blanket dehumanizing view of Homosexuals, its views on women & archaic abortion standpoint & completely reprehensible cover up of child abuse & insulting response to its victims.

awec · 21-01-2013 07:05PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I'm not religious, but people have every right to try to impose their religious beliefs on others through legislation if they're elected individuals operating within the framework of the law. And religious people have every right to try to influence them.

I might not like it, but if people with religious beliefs are elected to public office, one can't expect those people not to be influenced by their beliefs, be they religious or otherwise.

Er, no.

The King of Moo · 21-01-2013 07:07PM

awec wrote: »

Er, no.

Excellent contribution.

Esoteric_ · 21-01-2013 07:09PM

There are a few people here who are vehemently anti-religion, I think we can all agree on that.

However, I think most of the people here who shoot down religious peoples' opinions are arguing because of how things are phrased, not the religious reasoning behind it.

Personally, I was raised Roman Catholic, lost my faith about 6 years ago, and am much happier not having faith in religion. I respect peoples' religious beliefs, but I fully expect my lack of said beliefs to be respected, too. If they're not, I will rip apart religious beliefs.

biko · 21-01-2013 07:14PM

Considering all the crap religion has done in this country I'm not surprised at all people are anti-religion. And not just pedos and laundries, I'm talking 2 hours masses and general interfering in people's lives.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 21-01-2013 07:23PM

I'm not religous at all. it has caused more hassle, death and agro worldwide than anything else.

Plus, Catholics have touched an awful amount of kids. How could you support an organisation that ruined generations?

AnonoBoy · 21-01-2013 07:23PM

biko wrote: »

Considering all the crap religion has done in this country I'm not surprised at all people are anti-religion. And not just pedos and laundries, I'm talking 2 hours masses and general interfering in people's lives.

Yeah, forget the child-rape those 2 hour masses were murder.

awec · 21-01-2013 07:25PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Excellent contribution.

It was as excellent as your contribution.

Fromthetrees · 21-01-2013 07:25PM

I think being anti religion is quite an understandable view to come around to as an Irish person. I believe in God, I don't believe in organised religion but absolutely think there should be a total separation of religion from the state.

Seeing pictures of Dev kissing the ring of a bishop (he he) in public makes me cringe, watching a member of the clergy throw the ball up to start an All-Ireland final is sickening considering what the fuck they did to countless little children in the safety of their mansions and lavish buildings.

We cannot allow the Catholic Church to rule over the country with an iron fist ever again and I'd have no problem in expanding my anti RCC feeling to any religion that simply wants control over society, Islam, Scientology et al can piss right off as well.

bluecode · 21-01-2013 07:25PM

As Biko says. It simply isn't surprising that more people are less tolerant of religion than they ever were. Considering the damage done in this country in the name of religion, not just the Catholic Church either. More than that they continue to attempt to impose their beliefs on the rest of us.

Frankly I personally have become less tolerant of religious people. Beginning the view them as deluded individuals. Not always their fault of course. But I can no more take them seriously than if they told me they believe in fairies or are kidnapped by aliens every night. But of course religion has evolved into something very complex and multi facetted and has attained a certain respectability. But ultimately they all boil down to one absurd premise. That there's some kind of supernational being out there who runs the universe.

Seriously? At what point does that begin to make sense?

Benny_Cake · 21-01-2013 07:29PM

dollypet wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with religion. I'm a catholic myself. The problem arises when so called "religious" people feel the need to start ramming their belief process down the throats of other people.

Is that really much of an issue in this country any more though?

I'm just about old enough to remember the early 90s and the ridiculous controversy over condoms being sold in Virgin Megastore. Although the Catholic Church was steadily losing influence at the time it still packed a serious punch. Now, as a dominant force in the country, it's finished. Just one voice among many. In effect, in terms of it's influence on law and public life in this country, the war has been won even if the full terms of the surrender have yet to be agreed. And yes, I'm aware of the educations system, but change has started there. Gay marriage is likely to be legal before the end of the decade, thankfully. The abortion debate rages on but I don't buy that as a theist/atheist dispute anyway.

So I'm not sure if the subject warrants all the attention it gets here. If Boards existed in the 80s, definitely. 10 years ago, possibly. In 2013, not much.

Lapin · 21-01-2013 07:35PM

im invisible wrote: »

Havnt read the OP, but thanked it, because you can never have enough religion threads on After Hours

I love this post

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two wheels good · 21-01-2013 07:55PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I'm not religious, but people have every right to try to impose their religious beliefs on others through legislation if they're elected individuals operating within the framework of the law. And religious people have every right to try to influence them.

I might not like it, but if people with religious beliefs are elected to public office, one can't expect those people not to be influenced by their beliefs, be they religious or otherwise.

You're not democratic either. "The right to imposing their religious beliefs on others". astonishing! Don't you agree with the US 1st amendment?

The logical conclusion of this attitude is a society that will more resemble Saudi Arabia or Iran than any enlightened European nation.

The King of Moo · 21-01-2013 07:55PM

awec wrote: »

Er, no.

awec wrote: »

It was as excellent as your contribution.

This is the level of debate that generally makes me avoid threads on religion.

I'm always happy to have my points challenged and debate them in a reasonable manner.

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