Self Confessed Rapist walks free on bail pending appeal!

suicide_circus · 21-01-2013 04:53PM

curlzy wrote: »

A grip of what? If you want to discuss something or raise a point then you need to be a bit clearer.

my point was that you should get a grip on reality. your post was ridiculous

wobzilla1 · 21-01-2013 04:54PM

curlzy wrote: »

I believe you're incorrect.

Section 4(a) rape can only be committed by a man, against either a man or a woman.

fasttalkerchat · 21-01-2013 04:54PM

curlzy wrote: »

A grip of what? If you want to discuss something or raise a point then you need to be a bit clearer.

A lot of things are wrong with the world. Women make many decisions these days and are just as responsible for what goes on as they are equally able to change things.

Ihatecuddles-old · 21-01-2013 04:54PM

curlzy wrote: »

You think Savita dying has nothing to do with men? Really? You don't think that she died due to the the Catholic Church's influence on this country? Guess who run the Catholic Church? Hint: It ain't women.

You are making a tit of yourself now.

Lollipops23 · 21-01-2013 04:55PM

kraggy wrote: »

I think you'll find that most of them expressing outrage on this thread and feeling genuinely sick because of this story, are men.

I think what Curlzy is getting at (and I'm open to correction) is that there's been a spate of stories in recent weeks where women have been abused or had some terrible wrong done to them.

I agree, it's terrifying and makes me thank my lucky stars.

But 99% of men were also horrified at hearing the same news stories, it's unfair to hold it against the entire gender.

fasttalkerchat · 21-01-2013 04:55PM

wobzilla1 wrote: »

Section 4(a) rape can only be committed by a man, against either a man or a woman.

So a woman would be charged with sexual assault

ahnowbrowncow · 21-01-2013 04:56PM

curlzy wrote: »

You think Savita dying has nothing to do with men? Really? You don't think that she died due to the the Catholic Church's influence on this country? Guess who run the Catholic Church? Hint: It ain't women.

You seem to be forgetting that a large percentage of anti abortion people are women and being anti abortion does not equate to being catholic, so take your ignorance and misandry elsewhere

curlzy · 21-01-2013 04:57PM

kraggy wrote: »

I think you'll find that most of them expressing outrage on this thread and feeling genuinely sick because of this story, are men.

That's a stupid point IMO. Firstly you don't know people's gender based on usernames. Secondly some men expressing disgust doesn't negate the fact that most sex crimes are perpetrated by men against women.

Not all men are bad, I didn't say they were, what I said was that it's really hard not to take a disliking to men in general based on all horrific things men have done lately.

curlzy · 21-01-2013 04:59PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

my point was that you should get a grip on reality. your post was ridiculous

Thanks for the clarification. NOT:rolleyes:. If you just want to be insulting then stop bothering replying coz I really couldn't care less what you think.

curlzy · 21-01-2013 05:00PM

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

You are making a tit of yourself now.

How so? What part of that was incorrect?

jaffacakesyum · 21-01-2013 05:00PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I think what Curlzy is getting at (and I'm open to correction) is that there's been a spate of stories in recent weeks where women have been abused or had some terrible wrong done to them.

I agree, it's terrifying and makes me thank my lucky stars.

But 99% of men were also horrified at hearing the same news stories, it's unfair to hold it against the entire gender.

This.

I think it's difficult for men to understand how depressing it is to not be taken seriously in so many aspects of society in comparisan to men, to not have rights to their own bodies, to be under threat of rape and sexual assault and then in 9 times out of 10 not have justice done for it...and the list goes on.

I am not denying that there are many ways in which it is difficult to be a man (fathers rights comes to mind here) and I am not denying that sexual assault and rape does happen to men, but particularly in the last few months, as Lollipop said, so many stories come to light about horrible things women have to go through that just make it overwhelming.

But for someone to say this makes them inherently dislike men in general is absurd.

Lollipops23 · 21-01-2013 05:01PM

curlzy wrote: »

Not all men are bad, I didn't say they were, what I said was that it's really hard not to take a disliking to men in general based on all horrific things men have done lately.

I feel kinda bad for you if the recent news stories colour your opinion of men in general.

Like, I've had my fair share of run-ins with assholes in my life (hell, I'm going through a break up right now) but I still love and respect the other men in my life, as they're decent human beings who treat women properly.

wobzilla1 · 21-01-2013 05:02PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

So a woman would be charged with sexual assault

Maximum 10 years in prison compared to life in prison for rape

curlzy · 21-01-2013 05:03PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I think what Curlzy is getting at (and I'm open to correction) is that there's been a spate of stories in recent weeks where women have been abused or had some terrible wrong done to them.

I agree, it's terrifying and makes me thank my lucky stars.

But 99% of men were also horrified at hearing the same news stories, it's unfair to hold it against the entire gender.

thanks Lollipops, that's pretty spot on. It seems that people aren't bothering to consider the rest of my post at all, but sure that's the way it goes I suppose on the internet.

kraggy · 21-01-2013 05:06PM

curlzy wrote: »

That's a stupid point IMO. Firstly you don't know people's gender based on usernames. Secondly some men expressing disgust doesn't negate the fact that most sex crimes are perpetrated by men against women.

Not all men are bad, I didn't say they were, what I said was that it's really hard not to take a disliking to men in general based on all horrific things men have done lately.

A stupid point? Really? I've been around here long enough to know the gender of A LOT of posters. I've been here 9 years.

Besides that, you're being ridiculous and I think you're starting to realise that yourself now because you're bactracking slightly. Even if you're not, it's still an illogical stance to take.

Yes most sex crimes are committed by men against women. But they are not happening left, right and centre. For example, India has one fifth of World's population - 1.3 billion! That's one case in a massive country. Add to that increased communicaions links, media, internet etc and you'll realise that similar rape cases probably happened before but we didn't hear about it because the internet was not as well utilised back then. Anyway, it's the other side of the world!

And to even suggest that there's justification for disliking men, even in general, is frankly ludicrous.

Are you you going to stay away from your brothers and father from now on?

Barna77 · 21-01-2013 05:06PM

ffs, fail to pay a fine or the tv licence and you'de be shítting yourself waiting for some sentence or whatever, and then you see cases likes this.

a fúcking disgrace

And I still wonder why there are constantly so many similar stories in this country. I mean sexual abuse within the family. I read a couple of weeks ago the story about the Dalkey case.... -shudders-
It baffles me.

wicorthered · 21-01-2013 05:07PM

I wonder why we bother with trials some times. They seem like a PR exercise for the state.

They pretend they are looking for justice, then hand out mickey mouse sentences for serious crimes. I'm surprised the judge didn't offer the monster a chance to simply pay his way out of this, that seems to be the usual easy way out for rapists!

I hope Paul Carney sleeps well tonight.

Yet another day when I'm ashamed to be Irish!! Having a lot of those the last 3 years!!!

ahnowbrowncow · 21-01-2013 05:08PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

This.

I think it's difficult for men to understand how depressing it is to not be taken seriously in so many aspects of society in comparisan to men, to not have rights to their own bodies, to be under threat of rape and sexual assault and then in 9 times out of 10 not have justice done for it...and the list goes on.

I am not denying that there are many ways in which it is difficult to be a man (fathers rights comes to mind here) and I am not denying that sexual assault and rape does not happen to men, but particularly in the last few months, as Lollipop said, so many stories come to light about horrible things women have to go through that just make it overwhelming.

But for someone to say this makes them inherently dislike men in general is absurd.

The list goes on, really? I'd like to see this list. And men are more likely to be physically assaulted or murdered but I don't go around saying I'm under threat of physical assault or murder.

Hysteria on boards.ie is getting worse.

Bad Santa · 21-01-2013 05:11PM

curlzy wrote: »

God I hate being a woman some times.

Between Savita, the gang rape in India, this instance etc etc etc it's really very hard to not take a disliking to men in general.

http://femalesexoffenders.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders#Myra_Hindley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverley_Allitt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_West

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

Etc etc etc..

Lapin · 21-01-2013 05:11PM

curlzy wrote: »

God I hate being a woman some times. Between Savita, the gang rape in India, this instance etc etc etc it's really very hard to not take a disliking to men in general***

*** Yes I know that's unfair : ( and I don't like thinking like this at all.

curlzy wrote: »

You think Savita dying has nothing to do with men? Really? You don't think that she died due to the the Catholic Church's influence on this country? Guess who run the Catholic Church? Hint: It ain't women.

curlzy wrote: »

That's a stupid point IMO. Firstly you don't know people's gender based on usernames. Secondly some men expressing disgust doesn't negate the fact that most sex crimes are perpetrated by men against women.

Not all men are bad, I didn't say they were, what I said was that it's really hard not to take a disliking to men in general based on all horrific things men have done lately.

Holy mother of fúck I've seen people hijack threads in the past as to use as a platform for their own agendas but you are really taking liberties with this one.

Up till your first post here you were the only person who hasn't expressed their disgust about the judges decision.

More interested in taking the discussion off topic to highlight your own feminist agenda.

For shame.:(

curlzy · 21-01-2013 05:11PM

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

You seem to be forgetting that a large percentage of anti abortion people are women and being anti abortion does not equate to being catholic, so take your ignorance and misandry elsewhere

Oh please. READ MY POST AGAIN! And calm down a bit yeah?

kraggy · 21-01-2013 05:12PM

curlzy wrote: »

You think Savita dying has nothing to do with men? Really? You don't think that she died due to the the Catholic Church's influence on this country? Guess who run the Catholic Church? Hint: It ain't women.

And how can us ordinary men do anything about that? Besides vote in the Abortion Referendum I mean.

And what can we do about inept judges?

We can't do anything. So don't judge the whole gender on the actions of a sick few. We don't deserve it.

curlzy · 21-01-2013 05:13PM

OK, I'm going to stop replying to each hysterical post. READ MY POST AGAIN, FFS! Carefully this time.

ahnowbrowncow · 21-01-2013 05:13PM

curlzy wrote: »

Oh please. READ MY POST AGAIN! And calm down a bit yeah?

I think you're the one that needs to calm down. Which post exactly? Cause they all seem a bit hysterical.

curlzy · 21-01-2013 05:14PM

Lapin wrote: »

Holy mother of fúck I've seen people hijack threads in the past as to use as a platform for their own agendas but you are really taking liberties with this one.

Up till your first post here you were the only person who hasn't expressed their disgust about the judges decision.

More interested in taking the discussion off topic to highlight your own feminist agenda.

For shame.:(

SWEET FÚCKING JESUS WILL YOU EVER CALM DOWN THE LOT OF YOU AND READ THE POST AGAIN PROPERLY!!!

curlzy · 21-01-2013 05:15PM

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I think you're the one that needs to calm down.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ihatecuddles-old · 21-01-2013 05:18PM

curlzy wrote: »

SWEET FÚCKING JESUS WILL YOU EVER CALM DOWN THE LOT OF YOU AND READ THE POST AGAIN PROPERLY!!!

It doesn't make a difference, you still sound ridiculous.

But of course we're just reading it wrong.

On topic...how can this judge get away with making rulings like this? SUrely he must have to answer to someone...

kraggy · 21-01-2013 05:18PM

How about you drop your agenda and everyone get back to discussing the OP?

On topic, I've searched Carney's sentencing before because of another thread just like this one and there were countless examples of him either giving suspended sentences when the convicted should have spent decades behind bars, or he granted bail when there was no way the defendant deserved it.

It's scary to think that he's still a judge. What other poor victim would waive anonymity in the future when they see the likes of what happened in this case?

Madam_X · 21-01-2013 05:19PM

Curlzy, I read what you said as: it's understandable for women to feel animosity towards men in general, given the recent reports.
You seriously cannot expect men not to feel defensive if you're going to make a comment like that. Just because you said you know it's unfair, doesn't change how inflammatory and provocative your comment is.
No, it really isn't understandable if a woman starts to feel anger and dislike towards men in general on the basis of attitudes/actions of some men. It's punishment of them simply for their gender, which is ironically what you're railing against.
Would you like it if there was a spate of reports featuring horrible acts by women and someone said "It makes it understandable of someone to feel hostility towards women in general"?
For the misogynists you mention also, your comment would be deemed absolute gold, as proof of man-hating.

My name is URL · 21-01-2013 05:21PM

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

It doesn't make a difference, you still sound ridiculous.

But of course we're just reading it wrong.

On topic...how can this judge get away with making rulings like this? SUrely he must have to answer to someone...

The only person a judge has to 'answer to' is the president. That's the only one that has the power to sack them, and I'm not sure it has ever happened in Ireland before.

Self Confessed Rapist walks free on bail pending appeal!

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