Restaurant bans children...

mfceiling · 20-01-2013 08:06PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You have yourself pointed out 2 restaurants that are child friendly. You give them repeat business. This is their market. That is what they are aiming at. They want YOUR money.

This restaurant, and I wouldn't mind if a few (NOT ALL, I DIDN'T SAY ALL) are aiming at a different market. They have weighed up the pros and cons, and have decided that they want to go after a different market. The people that don't want to be disturbed. Believe it or not, people have different wants. The people that don't mind children or have children in tow have their pick of places. The people that do mind children, or are escaping from their own, or for whatever reason, have this ONE, ONE particular restaurant that they can go to.

What is the harm?

This really is getting tedious.

Read the first line of the post you quoted me from:rolleyes:

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 08:08PM

alphabeat wrote: »

take your kids to mac donalds .

Screw McDonald's. Everyone seems to be suggesting that as the only option for parents with kids

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I have calmly stated, on a NUMBER of occasions, it's all about choice, and options.

As a parent, you do currently, have the option to go everywhere. You have your pick of places. As someone that does want to be in an adult only environment, you have NO options.

A business should have the option to cater to a specific demographic. Be it vegetarian, be it families, be it adults. It's not discrimination.

I was not suggesting children be solely confined to McDonalds.

Everyone else is suggesting McDonald's. You're quite happy with choice as long as you have the choice to go whereever you want, but to restrict it for kids and their parents. Unlike a vegetarian restaurant, the families cannot just choose to go anyway- THEY ARE BANNED! It's not like they can say "Well why don't we just have vege food today?"- they have NO CHOICE.

apache wrote: »

can't stand screaming kids running around. really gets on my tits and ruins everything. sometimes i shoot out the leg when they are flying past and trip them up. that'll give them something to cry about

Like I said, the attitude is mainly a child-hating one. You're the kind of person who'll be pissed off regardless of how the kids behave.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 08:08PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

You're not being greedy, you're just being completely unrealistic if you expect to have perfect peace and quiet in a public place. If you want that- stay at home.

It's not a public space it is a building that someone owns or rents and is providing a service to people. Just like a shop providing a service selling goods. If he chooses not to provide a service to some thats his business. I don't hear Islamics complaining that all restaurants don't provide Halal meat for them or people complaining to smaller shops that certain foods with dietary requirements are not stocked. No they go elsewhere that provide that service.

apache · 20-01-2013 08:11PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Screw McDonald's. Everyone seems to be suggesting that as the only option for parents with kids

Everyone else is suggesting McDonald's. You're quite happy with choice as long as you have the choice to go whereever you want, but to restrict it for kids and their parents. Unlike a vegetarian restaurant, the families cannot just choose to go anyway- THEY ARE BANNED! It's not like they can say "Well why don't we just have vege food today?"- they have NO CHOICE.

Like I said, the attitude is mainly a child-hating one. You're the kind of person who'll be pissed off regardless of how the kids behave.

maybe you are giving adult traits and thoughts to children?
ask a kid. where would you like to go? oh i'd like to go to a restaurant. eh no. the parents want to go there. they are pushing their agendas onto the kids.
once they stop doing that, everybody will be happy.

Allyall · 20-01-2013 08:12PM

Okay, okay..

Screw McDonalds.

What about Burger King, KFC, Supermacs, Abrakebabra, Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, Wimpy's, Four Star Pizza, Apache Pizza? And many many more.. :rolleyes:

Feathers · 20-01-2013 08:12PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Everyone else is suggesting McDonald's. You're quite happy with choice as long as you have the choice to go whereever you want, but to restrict it for kids and their parents. Unlike a vegetarian restaurant, the families cannot just choose to go anyway- THEY ARE BANNED! It's not like they can say "Well why don't we just have vege food today?"- they have NO CHOICE.

The main choice in question is the choice of the business owner to create an atmosphere that he thinks will help his business. The point you're making would also be a lot more realistic if we didn't have only 2 restaurants named so far on the thread as being 'child-unfriendly' — you're hardly lacking in choice of where to bring the kids that isn't McDonalds.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 08:18PM

pwurple wrote: »

Sleeping newborns wake, drink, and go straight back to sleep. They are about as loud as a kitten. How many do you have by the way?

Suggesting that babies are gagged for your convenience is pretty stupid though. Someone was bound to point it out.

Yes, that was an actual real demand I made. And I was fully expecting that it would be complied with. It certainly wasn't sarcasm. Definitely not sarcasm. I did honestly expect someone to shove a gag down a baby's throat. In fact I thought they could accessorise. They could have a ballgag and a gimp suit. It'd be a rubber onesie. Hell, mothers already have the talc. Definitely not sarcasm.

And are you suggesting that babies that are under 3 months are ok then, but after that it's ok to ban them?

And although it might be nessecary to to have a kid to talk about some aspect of parenting, all you need to be aware of the noise they make is a sense of hearing. You did ignore the bit where I talked about the effect a childs crys have on people and how we evolved specifically to notice it. This is after you said that someone could just ignore a screaming child.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 08:21PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

You're not being greedy, you're just being completely unrealistic if you expect to have perfect peace and quiet in a public place. If you want that- stay at home.

I'm not being unrealistic, I don't think you realise what that word means. Unrealistic would mean there wasn't a chance of that happening. There is because there are restauraunts like that.

And you managed to ignore the sentance right above the one you quoted

If I go to a starbucks and there's children there, and i decide to sit there with a coffee, I can expect that I may be disturbed. But you know what, I saw the children there, I made my decision, I knew what I was letting myself in for.

the vast majority of places allow children. All I'm saying is that it's nice that there are a few places that are adult only. I'd also imagine that parents out for a night might want to go there. After all, if they've left their kids at home, why would they want to go to a place filled with kids?

I'm quoting a response that I made to you because you seem to have missed it. And if you respond to nothing else, respond to that

Grayson wrote: »

Discrimation is not based on individual merit. That's the difference. Blocking black children, but not white children would be discrimination. Blocking children in general is not.

If there is a mother and child swimming session and I am not allowed because I am not a parent, that is not discrimination. If they do not allow me to bring my child because I am a man, that is discrimination.

You obviously don't know what discrimination is. As I said above, if I, a man in my thirties am stopped from going to childrens discos, am I being discriminatied against? Or should I and the rest of nambla be allowed to attend?

Feathers · 20-01-2013 08:21PM

Allyall wrote: »

Okay, okay..

Screw McDonalds.

What about Burger King, KFC, Supermacs, Abrakebabra, Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, Wimpy's, Four Star Pizza, Apache Pizza? And many many more.. :rolleyes:

& before someone mentions they're all fast-food, here's a list of over 120 restaurants in or around Dublin that have been marked as 'child-friendly' without a Burger King or Eddie Rockets in sight.

jd · 20-01-2013 08:24PM

Allyall wrote: »

Okay, okay..

Screw McDonalds.

What about Burger King, KFC, Supermacs, Abrakebabra, Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, Wimpy's, Four Star Pizza, Apache Pizza? And many many more.. :rolleyes:

Why do you think that only places selling crap junk food are suitable for kids?

COYVB · 20-01-2013 08:26PM

How about rather than banning children outright, the restaurant instead makes it clear that parents of disruptive children will be asked to leave the premises the same way as a disruptive adult would be asked to leave? Everything and everyone on their own merits, case by case

Would parents have a problem with that?

mfceiling · 20-01-2013 08:28PM

For what it's worth i have no issue with a restaurant banning kids.

I do have a problem with posters generalising by spouting crap about "it's not the kids fault, the parents are to blame" or "take them to McDonalds or any other fast food joint" or as i read earlier "i don't want a woman flashing her tit as she breastfeeds" (you'd see more "tit" in temple bar on a saturday night).

I'm guessing most of the pro "ban" issue don't have kids.

When and where are the restaurants you go to full of kids that are annoying you so much?

I've been out for a meal with the missus on a saturday night and never been annoyed with kids but then again if you are going to a decent restaurant for a meal you generally aren't going to be "annoyed" with kids.

apache · 20-01-2013 08:29PM

COYVB wrote: »

How about rather than banning children outright, the restaurant instead makes it clear that parents of disruptive children will be asked to leave the premises the same way as a disruptive adult would be asked to leave? Everything and everyone on their own merits, case by case

Would parents have a problem with that?

of course they would. totally unworkable. they all think their children are angels.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 08:31PM

Should point out the restaurant in question is open 7 days a week 12 to 12. They don't serve under 12's from 12 to 2pm Monday to Friday and after 7pm very night. So to say that you cannot go there with kids is redicilious.
So for 84 hours a week parents with children over 12 can attend and those with kids under 12 cannot attend for 45 of those hours.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 08:33PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Fair enough, but if you didn't remove the noisy person, I can pretty much guarantee that nobody would have complained about him/ her. Why? Because you couldn't complain about a mentally retarded person without looking like a d1ck. On the other hand it is perfectly acceptable to complain about a small child making noise, even though neither person can be fully accountable for their actions.

See, we always went in groups. So even though we were in a separate area, I was leaving my own group and going outside so they could have some peace.

Your probably right though. I don't think I'd complain that the baby was crying, because that's no-one fault. But if the kid was acting up, that's a different story. But the thing is I'd be terrified of telling someone that their kid is misbehaving. people would take that as a direct insult on their parenting skills. And that's a big can of worms to open.

And I know I said that a baby crying isn't their fault, but if I was going out for a nice meal, I know I might like to have it somewhere where I'm certain it'll be peaceful.
I know I'd like to have that option on a train or a plane. I'd pay a bit extra for a kids free carriage on a train. I've been stuck next to some brats in my time. And they weren't very young. the last group ranged from 7 to about 12. Their parents were there and the kids were the loudest I've ever heard. even being seats away and with headphones in, I could still clearly hear screams. And i was stuck there for hours. I'd love to see a kids free carriage and a separate drink free carraige so kids don't have to hear drunks heading to a stag weekend in galway.
Although to be fair, the kids could end up being quieter and more mature

Custardpi · 20-01-2013 08:39PM

How about restaurants instituting a policy (made clear at the time of booking of course) that parents with young children pay a deposit (the appropriate amount would obviously depend on the size of the group as well as other factors) at the start of the meal which would be forfeited if there was serious misbehaviour from their offspring? Parents with unruly kids would soon learn to avoid such a place but those who had taken the time to instill some manners in their progeny would have no problems. Plus, diners without children could be assured of a peaceful meal without major disruptions.

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 08:43PM

COYVB wrote: »

How about rather than banning children outright, the restaurant instead makes it clear that parents of disruptive children will be asked to leave the premises the same way as a disruptive adult would be asked to leave? Everything and everyone on their own merits, case by case

Would parents have a problem with that?

Nobody would have a problem with that if it was done appropriately.

Though I never see it happening with drunk/disruptive adults who are the usual problem. As usual I'd expect the kids to be unfairly targeted by it

COYVB · 20-01-2013 08:45PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Nobody would have a problem with that if it was done appropriately.

Though I never see it happening with drunk/disruptive adults who are the usual problem. As usual I'd expect the kids to be unfairly targeted by it

I've never seen a drunk disruptive adult in a restaurant who wasn't asked to leave to be honest. It's a rare occurance

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 08:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Should point out the restaurant in question is open 7 days a week 12 to 12. They don't serve under 12's from 12 to 2pm Monday to Friday and after 7pm very night. So to say that you cannot go there with kids is redicilious.
So for 84 hours a week parents with children over 12 can attend and those with kids under 12 cannot attend for 45 of those hours.

So apart from normal mealtimes, the times when people most want to eat, you can eat there? Well, great! Super! And how is this supposed to make parents feel less like second class citizens? What a f***ing sop.

Queen-Mise · 20-01-2013 08:47PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

So matinee showing shouldn't be allowed? Seeing as they pick and choose when the times are?

What has a matinee showing got to do with restaurants?

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 09:02PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

So apart from normal mealtimes, the times when people most want to eat, you can eat there? Well, great! Super! And how is this supposed to make parents feel less like second class citizens? What a f***ing sop..

And as a person without a child do I not have the right to go somewhere that is child free. Do I not feel like a 2nd class citizen cause the f*cking "I have a kid" brigade think they they have the right to go everywhere or think they are above everyone else. Face facts not everyone wants to go out and have a meal surrounded by "little angels"
Jesus the way some go on you'd think they sh*t gold and p*ssed champagne all the time, when they enter a room the light turns soft, little birds, bunnies and cherubs appear, fluttering and jump around.

You and your offspring are not the center of the universe and not all places will accept you. So deal with it. When I go out I have to deal with kids in kid friendly places even if I like it or not. You sound like one of the kids that people complaint about in restaurants that is not getting his way cause they don't serve you what you want. If you don't like it go somewhere else that will deal with you no one is holding a gun to your head to eat at a certain time in a certain place.

Ms. Pingui · 20-01-2013 09:07PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And as a person without a child do I not have the right to go somewhere that is child free. Do I not feel like a 2nd class citizen cause the f*cking "I have a kid" brigade think they they have the right to go everywhere or think they are above everyone else. Face facts not everyone wants to go out and have a meal surrounded by "little angels"
Jesus the way some go on you'd think they sh*t gold and p*ssed champagne all the time, when they enter a room the light turns soft, little birds, bunnies and cherubs appear, fluttering and jump around.

You and your offspring are not the center of the universe and not all places will accept you. So deal with it. When I go out I have to deal with kids in kid friendly places even if I like it or not.

You sound like a laugh.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 09:12PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

You sound like a laugh.

I just have a low tolerance for gobsh*tes who think they have the right to go anywhere they want just because of their circumstances. I don't force my beliefs and demand that society conform to me. If a place doesnt want to serve me cause of the way I dress, my age or sex thats fine I go elsewhere. I don't expect everyone to cater for me and why should I?

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 09:13PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And as a person without a child do I not have the right to go somewhere that is child free. Do I not feel like a 2nd class citizen cause the f*cking "I have a kid" brigade think they they have the right to go everywhere or think they are above everyone else. Face facts not everyone wants to go out and have a meal surrounded by "little angels"
Jesus the way some go on you'd think they sh*t gold and p*ssed champagne all the time, when they enter a room the light turns soft, little birds, bunnies and cherubs appear, fluttering and jump around.

You and your offspring are not the center of the universe and not all places will accept you. So deal with it. When I go out I have to deal with kids in kid friendly places even if I like it or not. You sound like one of the kids that people complaint about in restaurants that is not getting his way cause they don't serve you what you want. If you don't like it go somewhere else that will deal with you no one is holding a gun to your head to eat at a certain time in a certain place.

I do deal with it. All the time. Every day. It's people with your attitude that think they are the centre of the universe. "I want it MY way! I want to go out to busy places and don't want noise! I want everyone else to do what I say". Other people can be annoying, irritating, loud and obnoxious. You're never going to be able to totally prevent that so you might as well start dealing with it.

You pay your money and get your food. If it's a bit louder than you'd like- well tough, deal with it. If there's a drunk gombeen shouting loudly a few seats over, just suck it up. The way some people go on, you'd think it's the end of the world!

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 09:15PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I don't force my beliefs and demand that society conform to me.

Unless they're children or families eh? In which case you expect them to behave exactly how YOU want.

COYVB · 20-01-2013 09:18PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Unless they're children or families eh? In which case you expect them to behave exactly how YOU want.

No, he just wants an option to have somewhere to eat without them. From the sounds of it you'd like to eat somewhere without him too, so this solves all the problems. If he wants to eat where kids aren't allowed, you simply eat where they are, and everyone wins

John_Rambo · 20-01-2013 09:22PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I just have a low tolerance

I hope you're a good cook.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 09:24PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Unless they're children or families eh? In which case you expect them to behave exactly how YOU want.

LMAO Listen to yourself. You are saying everywhere has to cater for "you" no matter what and that is your right.
So if you go into a childrens hospital with a non childrens related medical problem you have to get treatment from them no matter what even if they haven't got the facilities?

apache · 20-01-2013 09:24PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And as a person without a child do I not have the right to go somewhere that is child free. Do I not feel like a 2nd class citizen cause the f*cking "I have a kid" brigade think they they have the right to go everywhere or think they are above everyone else. Face facts not everyone wants to go out and have a meal surrounded by "little angels"
Jesus the way some go on you'd think they sh*t gold and p*ssed champagne all the time, when they enter a room the light turns soft, little birds, bunnies and cherubs appear, fluttering and jump around.

You and your offspring are not the center of the universe and not all places will accept you. So deal with it. When I go out I have to deal with kids in kid friendly places even if I like it or not. You sound like one of the kids that people complaint about in restaurants that is not getting his way cause they don't serve you what you want. If you don't like it go somewhere else that will deal with you no one is holding a gun to your head to eat at a certain time in a certain place.

I had to come back to say spookwoman i applaud you.

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 09:38PM

spookwoman wrote: »

LMAO Listen to yourself. You are saying everywhere has to cater for "you" no matter what and that is your right.
So if you go into a childrens hospital with a non childrens related medical problem you have to get treatment from them no matter what even if they haven't got the facilities?

Oh please- that's a stupid argument and you know it. In fact if I was at a children's hospital and had an immediate emergency I'd say they'd deal with it as best they couldrather than saying "adults are banned here"

Your attitude just smacks of "I'm the centre of the universe, all that noise is purely being to annoy ME, those kids are being brought here just to spoil MY meal". Maybe the parents are doing the best they can with a cranky child? Here's a memo- the world doesn't revolve around you!

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