Restaurant bans children...

Grayson · 20-01-2013 02:41PM

pwurple wrote: »

You should try selling child gags!

Think back to the OP. This was not a screaming toddler, but a sleeping newborn. There wasn't a peep out of them.

So sleeping kids don't wake? They never scream?

Did you even read the rest of my post or do you just want to take a sentance out of context so you can get angry?

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 02:42PM

pwurple wrote: »

You should try selling child gags!

Think back to the OP. This was not a screaming toddler, but a sleeping newborn. There wasn't a peep out of them.

But to allow one, and not another is discrimination.

And unfortunately, buggies are buggies, which tend to get in the way. This particular restaurant is small.

dark crystal · 20-01-2013 02:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

No one forced to you to get pregnant or have it and as you said your tune was different before. Face it not everyone has children or even likes them so don't expect others to want put up with your kids even in small doses.

Hate to break it to you, but children are just as much a part of society as adults are. Whether you like them or not is besides the point.

If you go out, expect to put up with all manner of people on your travels - At some time or another you'll probably meet the slow ATM user, the spitter, the loud mobile talker, the person who hasn't washed in a week, the drunk, the loud laugher, the nose picker, the farter, the burper, the cougher, the over amorous couple etc.. in small doses too.

We all have intolerance levels for all kinds of people, but if we choose to go anywhere in public, we just have to accept there'll be people we don't particularly like mixing with everywhere. Most adults accept this and don't throw childish strops every time we come in contact with them. Yes, they can be annoying, but they are a part of life.

In fact, I'm almost certain the ones complaining about kids in public were kids themselves once and maybe even ventured outside into public once or twice too - maybe they even ate out once in a while!

Ms. Pingui · 20-01-2013 02:47PM

Grayson wrote: »

I used to work for the wheelchair assoc as a care attendant about 20 years ago.
We'd bring members to pubs for lunch etc (smaller cafe's can't really deal with a large number of wheelchairs, they're quite large really and your average coffee shop/cafe could really only take about 4-6 before becoming crowded) but always in a separate section if we had anyone who might cause problems. I say might because most of the members are able minded and physically disabled. They have had accident/MS etc.. There's only a few that have other disabilities. But I have left with someone who was causing problems whilst everyone else remained.

Fair enough, but if you didn't remove the noisy person, I can pretty much guarantee that nobody would have complained about him/ her. Why? Because you couldn't complain about a mentally retarded person without looking like a d1ck. On the other hand it is perfectly acceptable to complain about a small child making noise, even though neither person can be fully accountable for their actions.

Geri Male · 20-01-2013 03:01PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Would you be pi$$ed off if a mentally disabled adult in a wheelchair shared a restaurant with you? These people can be as noisy and messy as children and wheelchairs take up more room than buggies?

I wouldn't be happy about that but I probably wouldn't say anything.

Noel Kinsella would love it though.

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 03:26PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Fair enough, but if you didn't remove the noisy person, I can pretty much guarantee that nobody would have complained about him/ her. Why? Because you couldn't complain about a mentally retarded person without looking like a d1ck. On the other hand it is perfectly acceptable to complain about a small child making noise, even though neither person can be fully accountable for their actions.

You'd look like a dick, yes. Doesn't mean that I can't be annoyed about it.

And both would be down to the legal guardian not being responsible for the person in the charge.

However, most people in charge of a person with disabilities don't automatically assume they can go anywhere. They would tend to bring them to family orientated restaurants. Why? Because they know that they may disturb other patrons. People that go to family orientated are accepting all that goes with it.

pwurple · 20-01-2013 03:28PM

Grayson wrote: »

So sleeping kids don't wake? They never scream?

Did you even read the rest of my post or do you just want to take a sentance out of context so you can get angry?

Sleeping newborns wake, drink, and go straight back to sleep. They are about as loud as a kitten. How many do you have by the way?

Suggesting that babies are gagged for your convenience is pretty stupid though. Someone was bound to point it out.

Ms. Pingui · 20-01-2013 03:41PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You'd look like a dick, yes. Doesn't mean that I can't be annoyed about it.

And both would be down to the legal guardian not being responsible for the person in the charge.

However, most people in charge of a person with disabilities don't automatically assume they can go anywhere. They would tend to bring them to family orientated restaurants. Why? Because they know that they may disturb other patrons. People that go to family orientated are accepting all that goes with it.

Actually people who go to family orientated places are not always accepting of other people there. People still roll their eyes and tut at small children in a normal cafe during the day. People who think kids are a nuisance who generally not be accepting of them anywhere. I don't see why parents /guardians or whoever should not go where they like just to suit people like you.

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 03:53PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Actually people who go to family orientated places are not always accepting of other people there. People still roll their eyes and tut at small children in a normal cafe during the day. People who think kids are a nuisance who generally not be accepting of them anywhere. I don't see why parents /guardians or whoever should not go where they like just to suit people like you.

Maybe it's because they don't have an alternative place to go?

Oh, and FYI, that people like you malarkey? Leave it out. It's not needed.

alphabeat · 20-01-2013 03:58PM

jd wrote: »

http://www.yamamoriizakaya.ie/ worked for my sisters, 6PM so kids don't get too tired and they needed table back for 8:30 pm. Kids can eat from Tapas menu.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,

i like this place , please tell me they dont allow kids ,
FFS
its a bar based resturaunt - NO KIDS

take your kids to mac donalds .

Ms. Pingui · 20-01-2013 03:59PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Maybe it's because they don't have an alternative place to go?

Oh, and FYI, that people like you malarkey? Leave it out. It's not needed.

Maybe the parents and children have nowhere else to go? If the parent is doing their best to deal with normal child behavior, then leave them off to enjoy their coffee.
Everyone has to learn to be tolerant of situations that may not be ideal in their eyes.

jd · 20-01-2013 04:01PM

alphabeat wrote: »

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,

i like this place , please tell me they dont allow kids ,
FFS
its a bar based resturaunt - NO KIDS

take your kids to mac donalds .

Upstairs, not downstairs. Kids behaved themselves. No interest in McDonalds (they live in Italy and Germany)

oldyouth · 20-01-2013 04:07PM

Restaurants exist solely for the purpose of making money for their owners. If they feel that banning children will bring in more customers or increase the average spend, then it is their judgement call. If it turns out to be a bad call and customers are put off by banning children, it will be proven to be a miscalculation. It is the right of the owner to decide the course of his business.

If you like a sprog-free restauant, go to Premises A, If you like a sprog-friendly restaurant, go to Premises B. As a customer, you cannot dictate the ethos of either

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 04:09PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Maybe the parents and children have nowhere else to go? If the parent is doing their best to deal with normal child behavior, then leave them off to enjoy their coffee.
Everyone has to learn to be tolerant of situations that may not be ideal in their eyes.

You are deliberately being difficult.

How exactly do the parents have no other option? Noone is asking you to stay at home.

Yes, your children may be little angels. However, it's not the case for everyones.

All that is being suggested is that maybe, possibly, alternatives could be provided? Is that a difficult concept to grasp? Really?

JustinDee · 20-01-2013 04:13PM

I look forward to the banning of loutmouthed know-alls next, followed by banning of patrons who do not wash their hands after using the toilet and most of all, smelly people.

Onthe3rdDay · 20-01-2013 04:17PM

After reading all the comments on this subject a few things have become obvious.

1. Banning children will not be bad for business, in fact business is likely to pick up.

2. It's Not the children that are the problem, it's the parents.

3. Those that would have supported parents at the start will have been frightened by the militant parents that use their children like weapons. If I were on the fence before I read these points I wouldn't be now.

4. The sense of entitlement that some parents have is bizarre. One moment they're saying that everyone should be allowed into restaurants, the next they want people who are upset by children to stay at home while they enjoy the antics of their little darlings.

5. Hopefully not too many people reading this run restaurants and other businesses. They’d be far more likely to bar Children now than before.

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 04:58PM

I'd just like to state one final thing, before I finish with this thread.

To be honest, I feel like I've had the patience of a saint, dealing with aggressive, militant parents on this topic.

I have calmly stated, on a NUMBER of occasions, it's all about choice, and options.

As a parent, you do currently, have the option to go everywhere. You have your pick of places. As someone that does want to be in an adult only environment, you have NO options.

A business should have the option to cater to a specific demographic. Be it vegetarian, be it families, be it adults. It's not discrimination.

I was not suggesting children be solely confined to McDonalds.

People say you need patience dealing with children. Kids are fine, it's their parents that are the problem.

dark crystal · 20-01-2013 04:58PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

After reading all the comments on this subject a few things have become obvious.

4. The sense of entitlement that some parents have is bizarre. One moment they're saying that everyone should be allowed into restaurants, the next they want people who are upset by children to stay at home while they enjoy the antics of their little darlings.

Ah now, the sense of enititlement isn't just coming from the parents on this thread is it? I've seen a good few comments expressing the view that children in any restaurant above a chips & nuggets standard should be banned. I'd say those views are pretty extreme too, in fairness.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 05:14PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but children are just as much a part of society as adults are. Whether you like them or not is besides the point.

If you go out, expect to put up with all manner of people on your travels - At some time or another you'll probably meet the slow ATM user, the spitter, the loud mobile talker, the person who hasn't washed in a week, the drunk, the loud laugher, the nose picker, the farter, the burper, the cougher, the over amorous couple etc.. in small doses too.

What has going to an ATM got to do with going into somewhere for a meal and its a kid free zone? Kid free zone means they are not wanted even in small doses on the premises.

So people who want to have a meal in a kid free zone are not part of society? It's wrong for people who want to go out and have a meal in a kid free zone. Its wrong for an establishment to cater for certain groups in society Yet it's wrong for the for a childless person to want to go swimming when its mothers and babies time.

FFS! 1 restaurant in how many thousand decides to say no kids allowed for 2 hours in a day and the parent brigade get on their high chairs and cry discrimination. You would think there were no other places to go and have a meal at that time. Thousands of restaurants cater for kids all day and you don't hear those who want a kid free zone screaming discrimination.
Face it there are places that certain groups are not welcome. It is a fact of life and you have to deal with it. Parents have no right to be put above everyone else in society.

Would like to know stats behind poll for yes and no's. Sex, age, parents or not, single parents etc.

dark crystal · 20-01-2013 05:53PM

spookwoman wrote: »

What has going to an ATM got to do with going into somewhere for a meal and its a kid free zone? Kid free zone means they are not wanted even in small doses on the premises.

So people who want to have a meal in a kid free zone are not part of society? It's wrong for people who want to go out and have a meal in a kid free zone. Its wrong for an establishment to cater for certain groups in society Yet it's wrong for the for a childless person to want to go swimming when its mothers and babies time.

FFS! 1 restaurant in how many thousand decides to say no kids allowed for 2 hours in a day and the parent brigade get on their high chairs and cry discrimination. You would think there were no other places to go and have a meal at that time. Thousands of restaurants cater for kids all day and you don't hear those who want a kid free zone screaming discrimination.
Face it there are places that certain groups are not welcome. It is a fact of life and you have to deal with it. Parents have no right to be put above everyone else in society.

I actually have no problem with this restaurant prohibiting children during lunch hours, if they have had numerous complaints about it, or they are losing business over it (although I'm not entirely sure this is actually the reasoning behind it, tbf). Their business, their right.

The last paragraph of your post is what I have a bit of an issue with, tbh. "Parents have no right to be put above everyone else in society" could also be applied to non-parents, couldn't it? Why should any one group of society feel the need to ban any other group simply because of a personal dislike towards them? It's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater (excuse the pun!), when perhaps a policy could be adopted by each individual restaurant, outlining the behaviour code it deems acceptable and unacceptable on it's premises, rather than just outright banning children altogether.
Parents and non-parents will soon learn to give their business to whichever eaterie suits them better.

I don't see why any grown adult would have a problem eating in the same premises as a well-behaved child to be honest. How will a child learn to act in a social situation with other adults otherwise?

Onthe3rdDay · 20-01-2013 06:15PM

dark crystal wrote: »

The last paragraph of your post is what I have a bit of an issue with, tbh. "Parents have no right to be put above everyone else in society" could also be applied to non-parents, couldn't it? Why should any one group of society feel the need to ban any other group simply because of a personal dislike towards them? It's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater (excuse the pun!), when perhaps a policy could be adopted by each individual restaurant, outlining the behaviour code it deems acceptable and unacceptable on it's premises, rather than just outright banning children altogether.
Parents and non-parents will soon learn to give their business to whichever eaterie suits them better.

I don't see why any grown adult would have a problem eating in the same premises as a well-behaved child to be honest. How will a child learn to act in a social situation with other adults otherwise?

I reckon most people would have no problem with a well-behaved child, I regularly go out and eat in places that have children around and have no issues whatsoever, in fact I don't really notice the children at all because they behave normally.

It's when you have a child that playing up that's the issue, and it's usually not the child. It's the parents that are aggressive and a little bit frightening to be honest.

Most parents aren't like that but it's the one or two that ruin it for everyone.

The simple fact is that if you're an adult and you behave badly you'll be kicked out of an establishment most of the time. If you're a child, nothing is generally said because you could end up unleashing hell.

Plus several parents here want to ban those that disagree with children in a place. You can't demand rights for yourself but not give them to everyone else. (who seem to be the large majority)

The biggest problem parents in my experience tend to be the ones that were the biggest problem before they had kids. They complained the loudest when a child acted normally. As soon as they have one the world has to revolve around them and this particular blessing from the heavens.

The thing is that I view kids no differently to adults. Some are delightful, some are horrendous. I can avoid the adults but I can't always avoid the the kids.

apache · 20-01-2013 06:20PM

too long to read the whole thread.

i love child free restaurants. never go for sunday lunch because of this.
although was out last sunday with the brother and his kids - 3 under the age of 6. not a bother out of them because they know how to behave in a restaurant.

can't stand screaming kids running around. really gets on my tits and ruins everything. sometimes i shoot out the leg when they are flying past and trip them up. that'll give them something to cry about

anncoates · 20-01-2013 06:39PM

apache wrote: »

sometimes i shoot out the leg when they are flying past and trip them up. that'll give them something to cry about

No you don't.

apache · 20-01-2013 06:41PM

ah i do yeah.

happyoutscan · 20-01-2013 07:31PM

Get a babysitter.

Feathers · 20-01-2013 07:40PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Businesses can target who they want, but this is a business "untargeting" or blocking access to an entire group. That's the very definition of discrimination. There are pretty clear consequences if they tried to pull this stunt based on gender or ethnicity, and there's no reason why it should be any different for children or parents.

Yeah, imagine a women-only hour at a swimming pool for example. There'd be outrage!

mfceiling wrote: »

Ok...fancy restaurants for a special adult dinner on a saturday night - no kids.

Now...where can i take my 3 kids for a bite of dinner on a friday evening that won't spoil anyones enjoyment?

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I don't mind about certain places banning children if that's what they want to do.
What annoys me more than any baby crying is people complaining about children and noise in a place that children are allowed.

dark crystal wrote: »

I've seen a good few comments expressing the view that children in any restaurant above a chips & nuggets standard should be banned. I'd say those views are pretty extreme too, in fairness.

In fairness, if some restaurants were allowed to say 'No children', we could all expect all other restaurants to be considered child-friendly & there would be no problem — everyone would get what they'd expect.

Whereas if no restaurant is allowed to say 'No children', you can presumably expect dirty looks everywhere, whether this is justified or not.

If places did start to restrict children though, you wouldn't find everywhere except McDonald's barring children because it doesn't make any sense for business, so it's a bit of an extreme example.

BQQ wrote: »

First they came for the children,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a child.
Then they came for the breastfeeders,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a breastfeeder.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me. :P:pac:

Does this count as a Godwin?

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 07:44PM

dark crystal wrote: »

The last paragraph of your post is what I have a bit of an issue with, tbh. "Parents have no right to be put above everyone else in society" could also be applied to non-parents, couldn't it? Why should any one group of society feel the need to ban any other group simply because of a personal dislike towards them? It's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater (excuse the pun!), when perhaps a policy could be adopted by each individual restaurant, outlining the behaviour code it deems acceptable and unacceptable on it's premises, rather than just outright banning children altogether.
Parents and non-parents will soon learn to give their business to whichever eaterie suits them better.

How do you know the owner is not a parent, are they then not discriminating against their own. What makes you think they are banning that section because they do not like them? His main business may be to cater for a certain group during lunch, those who are on lunch breaks from work, who may want some quiet or on business lunches. Are they not sections of society? Those people may also be parents but just don't have the kids in tow. What the owner is doing is stopping a certain age group from entering because he was getting complaints. The problem is some parents with kids in tow think they are entitled to get in anywhere.
Put it this way if you are catholic and went into a Synagogue and wanted them to perform a catholic service and they said no because it was their belief that only Jewish rituals be performed. Does that mean they hate catholics and have to cater for other faiths? I can't join an over 60's club because I'm not 60+ does that mean 60+ people hate folk under 60. No they are catering for certain sections of society.
Should I keep going on and complaining about the fact I cannot get what I want from these groups even though it says on the tin they don't cater for everyone.
Does Baby On Board mean if you run up the arse of another car cause you were distracted by your kids is not your fault and you don't have to cover the insurance costs.

dark crystal wrote: »

I don't see why any grown adult would have a problem eating in the same premises as a well-behaved child to be honest. How will a child learn to act in a social situation with other adults otherwise?

There are thousands of restaurants that allow kids so the "child learn to act in a social situation with other adults" thats for both well behaved and unruly kids. But can you bring no matter how well behaved they are a child into a nightclub or xxx cinema? No because there is age restrictions just like there is an age restriction on that restaurant during lunch. He is not saying parents or adults can't go in, they can just without the kids.

apache · 20-01-2013 07:51PM

everybody is going to say their kids are little angels - lets face facts. i for one am pleased with a restaurants ban of kids. as i said earlier my nieces are well behaved and don't act the maggot. people at a table nearby wouldn't even know they are there. but too many kids are allowed to run riot.

i don't want to listen to their mayhem. bring them to mcdonalds or get a babysitter if you want to go out and enjoy a meal. its down to the parents at the end of the day - not my johnny.

sunday lunchtime is a no go because of this carry on.

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 08:00PM

Grayson wrote: »

But I'm not being greedy if i seek out somewhere where I can't be disturbed. And a business isn't discriminating if it offers that service.

You're not being greedy, you're just being completely unrealistic if you expect to have perfect peace and quiet in a public place. If you want that- stay at home.

Feathers · 20-01-2013 08:03PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

You're not being greedy, you're just being completely unrealistic if you expect to have perfect peace and quiet in a public place. If you want that- stay at home.

I don't think he's expecting a Zen garden, just a restaurant that doesn't have screaming 2 year-olds & actually at the moment, you can get that in a lot of places by reputation. What this restaurant wants to do is establish that reputation.

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