At Least 25,000 Attend Anti-Abortion Vigil

padd b1975 · 20-01-2013 07:31PM

Am Chile wrote: »

Plus 1-the other day I got a leaflet in the letterbox about yesterdays rally and contact number to book a place on a bus to travel to dublin for the rally-when I looked outside to see who was doing the leaflet drop in my estate-a neighbour in the street around the corner from me, a fellow in his mid 50s whos in a bible study group was doing the leaflet drop go figure-as for the turnout for yesterdays rally while its impressive-the rally for savita in Novemebr drew about 20.000 to 30.000 out that day-anyone who was there will know that.

Not according to those who organised it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/savita-demonstration-leinster-house-674695-Nov2012/

Organisers put the numbers in attendance at about 2,000, though Gardaí declined
to estimate the numbers in attendance until after the event had concluded.

Boombastic · 20-01-2013 07:33PM

My friend had an aborted baby's brain transplanted in to their head and new testicles, hurray for abortions

galwayrush · 20-01-2013 07:33PM

Some lyrics from a Rush song spring to mind...

That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...

chillywilly · 20-01-2013 07:35PM

Biggins wrote: »

There is one small bit of good news:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1198096.ece

So assuming that there will be legislation of some kind, where there be that many or even half not voting for FG?

Great news!

Im pro-choice but I would happily sign that petition

newmug · 20-01-2013 07:37PM

I'm pro choice too. I believe we should have the choice to legally kill others and get away with it, eg. your boss, politicians etc. It doesn't mean people are going to go out and do it, but you should have the option to make up your own mind:rolleyes:

WindSock · 20-01-2013 07:37PM

I would have loved it now if the Holy Spirit descended on them all and magically made them all pregnant.

TomoBhoy · 20-01-2013 07:37PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Pro choice does not necessarily mean pro abortion, it means people can make up their own mind , make a choice that suits personal circumstances.
Abortion won't be compulsary so no need for the millitant pro lifers to worry about it.

Exactly, We already have over 4,000 women per year having to travel for whatever reason to the UK, we are still going to have the same deal if X is finally enacted, I'd love to know how many American Dollars helped them buy their so fashionable banners, I hate people who are Not Irish detacting our needs as a nation, woman are not merely incubators.

Pumpkinseeds · 20-01-2013 07:43PM

I firmly believe that abortion should be available to women who want it. If a woman finds herself pregnant and wants to keep the baby she has the legal right and support to do so. If a woman becomes pregnant and chooses to have an abortion she should have the legal right and support to have an abortion in this country. Pro-life supporters have the right to freedom of speech but it is high time that they stopped being able to deny a woman the right to end her pregnancy, regardless of her reasons.

If I became pregnant I would have no hesitation in going to England to have an abortion. No woman in this country should be forced to go abroad to seek an abortion in order to appease anybody's sense of morality. Church and State should be entirely seperate entities.

It's high time the Pro-life people put their disgusting placards and propaganda into the dust bin of history where it belongs and stop thinking that because abortion isn't legal in this country that it isn't happening.

COYVB · 20-01-2013 07:44PM

newmug wrote: »

I'm pro choice too. I believe we should have the choice to legally kill others and get away with it, eg. your boss, politicians etc. It doesn't mean people are going to go out and do it, but you should have the option to make up your own mind:rolleyes:

What a well thought out, intelligent and relevant point.

chughes · 20-01-2013 07:46PM

How about an Irish solution to an Irish problem?

Introduce abortion on demand but the only agency that can be licenced to carry out the procedures is the HSE.

As with all HSE procedures, there will be an 18 month waiting list for the procedure to be carried out.

newmug · 20-01-2013 07:47PM

COYVB wrote: »

What a well thought out, intelligent and relevant point.

Exactly, just like yours. Just replace the words boss and politicians with the unborn.

Am Chile · 20-01-2013 07:48PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Not according to those who organised it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/savita-demonstration-leinster-house-674695-Nov2012/

The march for Savita I refer to took place on a saturday-the protest you re refering to in that link took place on a weeknight outside the dail.

dvpower · 20-01-2013 07:50PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

In a country of 4 million, 25k gobshítes is unsurprising.

Look at the polls, and you'll see where the majority of people in this country stand on abortion.

This is the biggest turnout I've seen for a protest since the Iraq war protest. I don't think they can be written off as gob****es.

Bad Santa · 20-01-2013 07:52PM

WindSock wrote: »

I would have loved it now if the Holy Spirit descended on them all and magically made them all pregnant.

I do hope you're not speaking of the school.

For a start, they're all too young to have sex.

COYVB · 20-01-2013 07:53PM

newmug wrote: »

Exactly, just like yours. Just replace the words boss and politicians with the unborn.

My point was perfectly well thought out. Your boss is not essentially a parasite that cannot survive without living off your body for a gestation period. Your boss is not wholly dependent on you for its survival. Your boss probably won't result in your death if you have a medical condition that disagrees with him being your boss.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 07:54PM

COYVB wrote: »

This is the most baffling thing about it. Bringing in a Pro Choice law for abortion would in no way change anything about the way Pro Life people go about their day to day lives. They'd still be against abortion, and that's absolutely fine, because nobody would force or encourage them to have them - that's where the CHOICE bit comes in. It's always really confused me how they don't get that.

Allowing other people to do things that your religion doesn't allow doesn't have any affect on those who follow that religion. None at all.

Not quite. I don't think that ritual sacrafice is ok, and I certainly wouldn't be happy with a family of aztecs doing it.

The same with abortion. I'm pro choice, but I can fully understand why someone who's pro life would be adamantly against it.

It boils down to when an actual human life is created. They believe at conception. I believe it's later. I'm not sure when, I just know that at the early stages it's definitely not a human being, it's just a collection of cells.

BUT, if I believed that it was a baby, then i would have to accept that abortion is murder. And there's no way I could support someone elses right to do that.

Randall Floyd · 20-01-2013 07:54PM

Where were these 25k people when the carers needed support outside the Dail? It's a strange country at times.

mikom · 20-01-2013 07:55PM

Bad Santa wrote: »

I do hope you're not speaking of the school.

For a start, they're all to young to have sex.

In English, please.
You know I don't speak Spanish.

COYVB · 20-01-2013 07:56PM

Grayson wrote: »

The same with abortion. I'm pro choice, but I can fully understand why someone who's pro life would be adamantly against it.

They're perfectly entitled to be against it, nobody is saying they aren't. But are they perfectly entitled to force their religious beliefs (and these ARE religious beliefs for the most part) upon people who want no part in their religion?

Bad Santa · 20-01-2013 07:56PM

mikom wrote: »

In English, please.

You know I don't speak Spanish.

Espero que no estés hablando de la escuela.

Para empezar, están todos a los jóvenes a tener relaciones sexuales.

padd b1975 · 20-01-2013 07:57PM

@ Am Chile,

Think I will give accept the word of the Gardai on this one.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1117/breaking4.html

Organisers of the Dublin march said about 20,000 people had turned out, but a Garda spokeswoman said they estimated the figure to be between 10,000 and 12,000.

mikom · 20-01-2013 07:58PM

Randall Floyd wrote: »

Where were these 25k people when the carers need support outside the Dail? It's a strange country at times.

Bad Santa wrote: »

Espero que no estés hablando de la escuela.

Para empezar, están todos a los jóvenes a tener relaciones sexuales.

Again with the "school" word.
Keep it up.......... as the priest said to the altar boy.

crockholm · 20-01-2013 08:11PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I firmly believe that abortion should be available to women who want it. If a woman finds herself pregnant and wants to keep the baby she has the legal right and support to do so. If a woman becomes pregnant and chooses to have an abortion she should have the legal right and support to have an abortion in this country. Pro-life supporters have the right to freedom of speech but it is high time that they stopped being able to deny a woman the right to end her pregnancy, regardless of her reasons.

If I became pregnant I would have no hesitation in going to England to have an abortion. No woman in this country should be forced to go abroad to seek an abortion in order to appease anybody's sense of morality. Church and State should be entirely seperate entities.

It's high time the Pro-life people put their disgusting placards and propaganda into the dust bin of history where it belongs and stop thinking that because abortion isn't legal in this country that it isn't happening.

Writing as an agnostic, I am not supportive of "the right to choose" for fear of opening the door to non essential terminations, people like to say here that it wont be abortion on demand and it wont be used as a method of contraception,but alas, it will.
I live in a nordic country with liberal attitudes to sex education and preventitive measures, yet our friends niece has had 3 abortions and she has just turned 18.
I do support a womans decision in terms of rape,incest,health of the mother, so I guess nobody wants me at their march:(

TomoBhoy · 20-01-2013 08:15PM

crockholm wrote: »

Writing as an agnostic, I am not supportive of "the right to choose" for fear of opening the door to non essential terminations, people like to say here that it wont be abortion on demand and it wont be used as a method of contraception,but alas, it will.
I live in a nordic country with liberal attitudes to sex education and preventitive measures, yet our friends niece has had 3 abortions and she has just turned 18.
I do support a womans decision in terms of rape,incest,health of the mother, so I guess nobody wants me at their march:(

would it not be cheaper just to get her sterilized

lazygal · 20-01-2013 08:16PM

crockholm wrote: »

Writing as an agnostic, I am not supportive of "the right to choose" for fear of opening the door to non essential terminations, people like to say here that it wont be abortion on demand and it wont be used as a method of contraception,but alas, it will.
I live in a nordic country with liberal attitudes to sex education and preventitive measures, yet our friends niece has had 3 abortions and she has just turned 18.
I do support a womans decision in terms of rape,incest,health of the mother, so I guess nobody wants me at their march:(

What difference does it make to you if a woman has three abortions or 23 abortions? Is there something wrong with it? Or are you implying there should be a limit on why a woman can chose to abort based on her previous action? Also, what's a non essential termination? If a woman doesn't want to remain pregnant, why should she not be allowed an abortion?

crockholm · 20-01-2013 08:19PM

lazygal wrote: »

What difference does it make to you if a woman has three abortions or 23 abortions? Is there something wrong with it? Or are you implying there should be a limit on why a woman can chose to abort based on her previous action? Also, what's a non essential termination? If a woman doesn't want to remain pregnant, why should she not be allowed an abortion?

are you really ok with somebody choosing to have 23 abortions?

mikom · 20-01-2013 08:19PM

crockholm wrote: »

I live in a nordic country with liberal attitudes to sex education and preventitive measures, yet our friends niece has had 3 abortions and she has just turned 18.

She sounds like a balanced young lady.
In a solid relationship, is she?
Would it be better for her (and possibly the state) to be raising three children?

krudler · 20-01-2013 08:19PM

crockholm wrote: »

Writing as an agnostic, I am not supportive of "the right to choose" for fear of opening the door to non essential terminations, people like to say here that it wont be abortion on demand and it wont be used as a method of contraception,but alas, it will.
I live in a nordic country with liberal attitudes to sex education and preventitive measures, yet our friends niece has had 3 abortions and she has just turned 18.
I do support a womans decision in terms of rape,incest,health of the mother, so I guess nobody wants me at their march:(

Your friends niece is an idiot, but that doesn't mean other women should be forced into pregnancy as a result.

lazygal · 20-01-2013 08:20PM

crockholm wrote: »

are you really ok with somebody choosing to have 23 abortions?

Yes. Its her uterus not mine or anyone else's. Are you OK with women choosing to control their reproductive system?

lazygal · 20-01-2013 08:21PM

krudler wrote: »

Your friends niece is an idiot, but that doesn't mean other women should be forced into pregnancy as a result.

I think that's a bit unfair. So she had three abortions, how is that anyone's business but hers?

At Least 25,000 Attend Anti-Abortion Vigil

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