Restaurant bans children...

Allyall · 20-01-2013 11:24AM

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MrCreosote wrote: »

-Lack of space or areas to park or store buggies - Needed for Customers. Rent is high.
-Overpriced and unhealthy kids' menus - To deter people bringing kids. Not spending money and taking up space.
-Lack of changing facilities in toilets- I've yet to see a baby changing table in the men's anywhere in Ireland. I've been given out to for changing the baby on my own sheet in the cafe- I won that argument when I angrily pointed out the fact that they'd provided nowhere else to change. - Daft. Unhygienic. I would've turfed you out by the ball sac.
-Hostile attitude to women breastfeeding, despite the law being crystal clear. - Never saw that.
-absence of any small play areas or children's books. - Rent is high, They need the space. They don't want people with children hanging around any longer than they should. Taking up seats and not eating anything after their initial lunch/tea.

That's just cafes and restaurants btw

Why should they provide these things?
They shouldn't. There are plenty of places to cater for your needs.
Because it makes for good business. They don't seem to have a problem doing it overseas. - Rent is much lower overseas. Overheads probably too. More tourists/customers. It's not here, it's overseas.

You should go to McDonalds. It has all what you need, and more.

Cheap kids menu with a changing area and a play area. They even have somewhere to put your buggy.

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 11:27AM

Allyall wrote: »

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You should go to McDonalds. It has all what you need, and more.

Cheap kids menu with a changing area and a play area. They even have somewhere to put your buggy.

Nice. And people wonder why the restaurant trade is struggling so much- they go out of their way to deter customers

Allyall · 20-01-2013 11:30AM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Nice. And people wonder why the restaurant trade is struggling so much- they go out of their way to deter customers

No they don't. They try and provide an enjoyable environment for people to relax and enjoy decent food.

If i saw someone changing their baby on the table next to me while i was eating, The restaurant wouldn't be getting the blame.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 11:30AM

Jesus there's some long posts. People are really taking offense at a restaurant, just one, having a no child policy.

The outrage is amazing.

So far, i don't think a single person who's angry has answered my questions which I've posted a few times.

Not really. Should a restaurant/club be allowed choose it's customers based on age or anything else. Should they be allowed discriminate based on dress code or should I be allowed enter any club/eaterie in my grottiest clothes?

Should 18 year olds be allowed into a 21's nightclub? Should I as a 30 something be allowed into a no name disco to perv on 15 year olds? Should I be allowed flap around a swimming pool on a mother and child morning?

Businesses are allowed target specific audiences. It isn't discrimination. Anyone who thinks that it is "discrimination" or that it's infringing their "Rights" should think about what those words mean.
It doesn't even impact them. There's feck all places that have a no child policy. Most will have a "Child must be accompanied by adults at all times" policy, but very few outright ban children. The last time I'd checked this thread was at page 20 and at that point there were 2 restaurants named.

But having children in a restaurant affects others. I don't care how well behaved your little darlings are, they're two of the hundreds of thousands of children out there. And if you believe that all restaurants should allow all children because of the behaviour of yours, then you are an incredibly selfish and narrow minded person. You are that parent who thinks that the entire fecking world revolves around you and your child and expects the world to bow to your needs. You're the parent that is the problem and that gives all parents a bad name.
Likewise if you believe that all restaurants should ban all children because you've witnessed a kid throw a tantrum, you're being blinkered and massaging facts to fit your view. Children exist. You will have to put up with them at some stage. get used to it.

But everyone, this is just a fecking restaurant in Dublin, just one, that has a no child policy. They are obviously doing good business if they can do this. And i doubt it was that popular with people with kids in the first place. If it was then telling the largest proportion of your client base to feck off is the dumbest decision they could have made. And it's Dublin, it's not like there's a lack of places.

So please, get over yourselves.

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 11:32AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Childless people having to pay taxes that go towards children's allowance. Yeah, paying for other people to have sex. Wtf?

The fact is adults with kids are spoilt (priority parking spots in car parks for example) that they throw tantrums at every little thing they think is against them.

Kids now= taxpayers in 25 years time when you're old and even more cranky

The priority parking is a good example. Parents don't give a crap about this, the shops put them in to attract business. The restaurant equivalent would be a sign saying "Shop somewhere else"

Popinjay · 20-01-2013 11:39AM

MrCreosote wrote: »

use that as a stick to beat parents everywhere with, and justification for discriminating against children and parents.

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Young children and parents are already looked down on and you're saying that they should be further discriminated against by forcing them out of cafes and restaurants.

More drama!

MrCreosote wrote: »

-Lack of space or areas to park or store buggies

A financial decision over what makes more money for a space. Hardly a case of making the blacks use a separate drinking fountain

-Overpriced and unhealthy kids' menus

Based on parental demand and what they pay money for for the kiddies

-Lack of changing facilities in toilets- I've yet to see a baby changing table in the men's anywhere in Ireland. I've been given out to for changing the baby on my own sheet in the cafe- I won that argument when I angrily pointed out the fact that they'd provided nowhere else to change.

Admittedly wrong but since the facilities are often if not always available for women, more a case of sexism than discrimination against the kiddies or against parents in general... Just like Curves really!

-Hostile attitude to women breastfeeding, despite the law being crystal clear.

Because that hostile attitude wasn't quickly rounded upon here and made clear in no uncertain terms that the attitude was unacceptable. See all the wonderful arguments earleir that we're not allowed talk about anymore as it's OT.

But the majority were certainly pro-breastfeeding

-absence of any small play areas or children's books

Again a space issue... But, why do there need to be play areas everywhere?

What's wrong with sitting and behaving his/herself once in a while? I did when I was a kid

That's just cafes and restaurants btw

Why should they provide these things? Because it makes for good business. They don't seem to have a problem doing it overseas.

And I'm sure if it made for good business here, it ould be done more often but it would appear Irish businesses have decided that the benefits outweigh the costs.

It would appear fromt he popular support in this thread that what makes good business sense in Ireland is providing a space where adults can go without kids.

Are you against businesses trying to stay afloat in tough times? That's discrimination against the small business owner who already has it hard.

You must hate entrepreneurs... Or is that milking the point and going for the drama over the facts?

pwurple · 20-01-2013 11:41AM

I think it's weird that several people are recommending McDonalds as the ideal place to bring children.

The same people will no doubt be lamenting the numbers of obese children waddling the streets.

MrCreosote · 20-01-2013 11:46AM

Grayson wrote: »

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Businesses are allowed target specific audiences. It isn't discrimination. Anyone who thinks that it is "discrimination" or that it's infringing their "Rights" should think about what those words mean.
It doesn't even impact them. There's feck all places that have a no child policy. Most will have a "Child must be accompanied by adults at all times" policy, but very few outright ban children. The last time I'd checked this thread was at page 20 and at that point there were 2 restaurants named.
the dumbest decision they could have made. And it's Dublin, it's not like there's a lack of places.

So please, get over yourselves.

Businesses can target who they want, but this is a business "untargeting" or blocking access to an entire group. That's the very definition of discrimination. There are pretty clear consequences if they tried to pull this stunt based on gender or ethnicity, and there's no reason why it should be any different for children or parents.

20-01-2013 12:09PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Young children and parents are already looked down on and you're saying that they should be further discriminated against by forcing them out of cafes and restaurants.

No, spoilt children with rude parents are already looked down on. For a reason. Nobody's been making claims that all parents are terrible.

MrCreosote wrote: »

Because it makes for good business. They don't seem to have a problem doing it overseas.

So you've been everywhere overseas? Also, it clearly doesn't make for good business if certain restaurants feel the need to turn people with children away.

MrCreosote wrote: »

Nice. And people wonder why the restaurant trade is struggling so much- they go out of their way to deter customers

I've seen this attitude many times before. "You're purposely losing business". No, businesses want a profit, if they're losing your business it's because they feel they can't afford to take it.

Popinjay wrote: »

What's wrong with sitting and behaving his/herself once in a while? I did when I was a kid.

Exactly. I remember being taken to the pub when I was little. My parents would have two drinks each and if I was good I'd get a little packet of peanuts at the end. I was bored out of my mind but I sat there and only spoke when I was spoken to. I don't know why some people refuse to attempt to get their kids to do this.

MrCreosote wrote: »

Businesses can target who they want, but this is a business "untargeting" or blocking access to an entire group. That's the very definition of discrimination. There are pretty clear consequences if they tried to pull this stunt based on gender or ethnicity, and there's no reason why it should be any different for children or parents.

There is a reason why it's different. People of the same gender or ethnicity have no real differences and cause no extra hassle to businesses. In the cases where they do have a difference, for instance, if a man was uncomfortable going to a female doctor about a private issue, it's ok to ask for a male. However people of different age groups are not all the same. That's why people of all ethnicities and genders can vote, but toddlers can't.

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 12:28PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

What's being said is that some people focus only on the very rare badly behaved children, and use that as a stick to beat parents everywhere with, and justification for discriminating against children and parents.

The comparisons with women-only gyms and gay bars don't stack up either. Both of those are specifically for a minority group. Young children and parents are already looked down on and you're saying that they should be further discriminated against by forcing them out of cafes and restaurants.

Everyone and the world is out to get you, right?

We've said this over and over. We are not telling you to stay at home, or go to McDonalds.

We just want to have the option to go to an adult only restaurant. The same way women have the option to go to a woman only gym, the same way gay people have to option to go to a gay bar.

How exactly are parents and children discriminated against? Is it the specialised parking spaces for them? No, wait, that's not discrimination. How about the parent and toddler days in many places, like cinemas, libraries, church groups, hell, even cafes? No? I feel like a git for bringing this one in, but what about childrens allowance? Special menus in most restaurants? No? Providing facilities for baby changing? Heating bottles? Sterilising bottles? Providing colouring sheets/colouring pencils?

If you want to go down that route, we are being discriminated against, because we don't have children/want to be in an adult only restaurant.

Stop playing the "EVERYONE HATES MY CHILD BUT ME!" card. It really is getting tiring.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 12:31PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Businesses can target who they want, but this is a business "untargeting" or blocking access to an entire group. That's the very definition of discrimination. There are pretty clear consequences if they tried to pull this stunt based on gender or ethnicity, and there's no reason why it should be any different for children or parents.

Discrimation is not based on individual merit. That's the difference. Blocking black children, but not white children would be discrimination. Blocking children in general is not.

If there is a mother and child swimming session and I am not allowed becauise I am not a parent, that is not discrimination. If they do not allow me to bring my child because I am a man, that is discrimination.

You obviously don't know what discrimination is. As I said above, if I, a man in my thirties am stopped from going to childrens discos, am I being discriminatied against? Or should I and the rest of nambla be allowed to attend?

ceadaoin. · 20-01-2013 12:34PM

Allyall wrote: »

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You should go to McDonalds. It has all what you need, and more.

Cheap kids menu with a changing area and a play area. They even have somewhere to put your buggy.

The suggestion that the likes of McDonalds are the ideal place for kids annoys me! I don't want my child to eat fast food. I want my child to learn how to behave in a proper restaurant, learn table manners and to eat with cutlery. Obviously she will be taught this at home so eating out should be an extension of this. It is possible for children to go to a proper restaurant and behave appropriately, once their parents actually parent them and teach them what is acceptable.

And just to add, I don't expect every restaurant to cater explicitly for kids. Buggies can be folded away so there doesn't need to be room to park them, even without a changing table there is usually space in the bathroom to use a changing mat, and most kids can eat food from the normal menu.

jd · 20-01-2013 12:38PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

-Overpriced and unhealthy kids' menus

I don't know why restaurants have separate children's menus, wouldn't 1/2 portions from the adult menu make more sense?

John_Rambo · 20-01-2013 12:39PM

Affluent families have been going to restaurants for years with kids, it was never a problem. Why? Because the rest of the diners were cultured.

The celtic tiger made restaurants accessible to many who previously wouldn't have eaten out and they think it's soooooo exclusive that kids shouldn't be present.

So these commoners are now complaining about everything, the steak is raw, the red wine isn't chilled, that child made a noise, this oyster isn't cooked etc etc... Sure some of you think McDonalds is a restaurant!!

Philistines.

mfceiling · 20-01-2013 12:41PM

Ok...fancy restaurants for a special adult dinner on a saturday night - no kids.

Now...where can i take my 3 kids for a bite of dinner on a friday evening that won't spoil anyones enjoyment?

McDonald's or stay at f*cking home is the attitude of some posters here.

I've no buggy and my 3 are well used to sitting quietly enough - colouring book and pencils and you wouldn't know they are there.

Milanos, The Dropping Well and a few others don't mind kids and any time i've been there they have been very busy....i for one give them plenty of repeat custom - i wonder how many other families do the same?

jd · 20-01-2013 12:52PM

http://www.yamamoriizakaya.ie/ worked for my sisters, 6PM so kids don't get too tired and they needed table back for 8:30 pm. Kids can eat from Tapas menu.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 12:59PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Ok...fancy restaurants for a special adult dinner on a saturday night - no kids.

Now...where can i take my 3 kids for a bite of dinner on a friday evening that won't spoil anyones enjoyment?

McDonald's or stay at f*cking home is the attitude of some posters here.

I've no buggy and my 3 are well used to sitting quietly enough - colouring book and pencils and you wouldn't know they are there.

Milanos, The Dropping Well and a few others don't mind kids and any time i've been there they have been very busy....i for one give them plenty of repeat custom - i wonder how many other families do the same?

Who said that? And how many people said that? I think your over reacting. You're seeing people who are thinking "a quiet restaurant would be nice and hearing what you want to hear.
Pretty much everyone who's in favour has said that they are ok with a (as in A singular restaurant) having this policy, but obviously not for all. Two restaurants have been mentioned as having this policy. And i can't think of anyone who ever said children should never be allowed into any restaurant. Some restaurants will cater to families, some will cater to those that want to escape from children (quite often the diners own kids).

So please get down off that cross, before you hurt yourself.

BQQ · 20-01-2013 01:08PM

First they came for the children,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a child.
Then they came for the breastfeeders,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a breastfeeder.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me. :P:pac:

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 01:14PM

I will concede that there are no changing facilities in mens toilets.

This is not discrimination against parents, this is a seperate issue altogether.

That is because society deems it inappropriate for men to be around naked/halfnaked children, even if it is their own child.

We provide changing facilities in the disabled toilets. Non gender specific

We also tried having a nice healthy menu for children. Demand meant we had to go back.

pwurple · 20-01-2013 01:26PM

Grayson wrote: »

Who said that?

Only going back 15 or so posts I find this:

Allyall wrote: »

Why do they want to sit in, why not go to a park or something similar ?

And this:

Allyall wrote: »

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You should go to McDonalds. It has all what you need, and more.

Cheap kids menu with a changing area and a play area. They even have somewhere to put your buggy.

That seems to be a bit of an attitude about getting out or going to mcdonalds.

It's a bit of a troll attempt I think myself, but then I've never been stopped going into restaurant or cafe in ireland with a child. We don't bring buggies, they were either in a sling, or walking, and they are in bed in the evenings. Every restaurant I've ever been to with a child has been more than happy to see us. Couldn't fault them.

Some places are just toddler or baby unsuitable... Places with sharp glass tables, or very small spaces where you can't fit a pram or buggy. People shouldn't need to be told that it doesn't suit, come back when the child is a bit older, but common sense isn't as common as it should be.

Oh, and if there is no changing area in the mens, my husband will ask to use the ladies changing facilites. Never had a problem so far.

Ms. Pingui · 20-01-2013 01:28PM

Some people really need to get over themselves. Children are a fact of life and if you don't want to have any interaction with them, stay at home!

I often bring my two year old out for lunch or a bun in a cafe. Sometimes she doesn't sit still, sometimes she will throw a little wobbler, because she's two and doesn't know any better!

I really don't understand how people can get so annoyed over a baby or small child crying or acting up a bit, just mind your own business and get on with it.

Now if an older child that should be able to sit still and behave is causing trouble, I think that is a bit much, I still wouldn't let it ruin my meal/ coffee though.

If there is no room for a buggy, then I don't bring it with me. I do think most problems with buggies are caused by places cramming in so many tables that it's often impossible to simply walk around without banging off other customers.

Malari · 20-01-2013 01:54PM

I voted Yes, I think that this particular restaurant is entitled to refuse children during busy periods. Do I think there should be an outright ban on children in restaurants? Of course not. I think it's a positive thing to bring children out for food. Dining at home is a completely different experience and eating out is an important social interaction that should be taught.

McDonalds is fine for a treat every once in a while but it's not a proper restaurant. Plenty of places are family-oriented and serve proper food for kids, not just deep-fried stuff with chips. Once kids know how to behave in a restaurant they should know how to behave anywhere, as long as parents bring a book or toy or some colouring or something to entertain them if the restaurant doesn't provide it.

I have experienced the screaming brat of a child who won't sit still and is making a huge disturbance and yeah, it's uncomfortable for other diners and staff. But the majority of times I eat out there are a few other tables with kids not making a scene at all. Having said that, I've often requested a table in a restaurant away from kids, just to be sure we can have a nice quiet meal. I don't think this restaurant is doing anything worse than that.

Sofiztikated · 20-01-2013 01:56PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Ok...fancy restaurants for a special adult dinner on a saturday night - no kids.

Now...where can i take my 3 kids for a bite of dinner on a friday evening that won't spoil anyones enjoyment?

McDonald's or stay at f*cking home is the attitude of some posters here.

I've no buggy and my 3 are well used to sitting quietly enough - colouring book and pencils and you wouldn't know they are there.

Milanos, The Dropping Well and a few others don't mind kids and any time i've been there they have been very busy....i for one give them plenty of repeat custom - i wonder how many other families do the same?

You have yourself pointed out 2 restaurants that are child friendly. You give them repeat business. This is their market. That is what they are aiming at. They want YOUR money.

This restaurant, and I wouldn't mind if a few (NOT ALL, I DIDN'T SAY ALL) are aiming at a different market. They have weighed up the pros and cons, and have decided that they want to go after a different market. The people that don't want to be disturbed. Believe it or not, people have different wants. The people that don't mind children or have children in tow have their pick of places. The people that do mind children, or are escaping from their own, or for whatever reason, have this ONE, ONE particular restaurant that they can go to.

What is the harm?

This really is getting tedious.

Allyall · 20-01-2013 02:18PM

pwurple wrote: »

Only going back 15 or so posts I find this:

And this:

That seems to be a bit of an attitude about getting out or going to mcdonalds.

Some places are just Places with sharp glass tables, or very small spaces where you can't fit a pram or buggy. People shouldn't need to be told come back when the child is a bit common as it should be.

Oh, and if there is no changing area in the mens, my husband will ask to use the ladies changing facilites. Never had a problem so far.

Quote me in context at least..

Allyall wrote: »

She also asked, why do they want to sit in, why not go to a park or something similar etc..? (Admittedly in winter, not as easy.)

And the reason i suggested McDonalds to him and ONLY him, was because of all the things he requested out of the restaurant.

MrCreosote wrote: »

-Lack of space or areas to park or store buggies
-Overpriced and unhealthy kids' menus
-Lack of changing facilities in toilets- I've yet to see a baby changing table in the men's anywhere in Ireland. I've been given out to for changing the baby on my own sheet in the cafe- I won that argument when I angrily pointed out the fact that they'd provided nowhere else to change.
-Hostile attitude to women breastfeeding, despite the law being crystal clear.
-absence of any small play areas or children's books

That's just cafes and restaurants btw

Why should they provide these things? Because it makes for good business. They don't seem to have a problem doing it overseas.

Kids don't bother me in a restaurant, at all.
Women with buggies, using them as People ploughs anywhere, bother me.

If i'm in a restaurant and need to use their facilities and i'm blocked by someone feeding their kid in a buggy from their table, that is annoying also.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 02:23PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Some people really need to get over themselves. Children are a fact of life and if you don't want to have any interaction with them, stay at home!

I often bring my two year old out for lunch or a bun in a cafe. Sometimes she doesn't sit still, sometimes she will throw a little wobbler, because she's two and doesn't know any better!

I really don't understand how people can get so annoyed over a baby or small child crying or acting up a bit, just mind your own business and get on with it.

Now if an older child that should be able to sit still and behave is causing trouble, I think that is a bit much, I still wouldn't let it ruin my meal/ coffee though.

If there is no room for a buggy, then I don't bring it with me. I do think most problems with buggies are caused by places cramming in so many tables that it's often impossible to simply walk around without banging off other customers.

I'll mind my own business when you gag your child.
Honestly I have nothing against chilkdren, but how can you expect anyone to sit there and not be affected by a toddler screaming loudly.

Did you know that certain aspects of music share similar properties with a childs scream? This is because we are designed to automatically react in certain ways to certain sounds. When we hear a dog growl, we get either scared or angry. When we hear babies cry we get distressed and it attracts our attention like nothing else does. It is by it's nature a very distressing sound (Although strangly, the bits that draw attention can be compared similarly to music and that's why some music can be very attention grabbing). If you think that everyone should put up with it because you want a bun, than that's just being selfish.

If I go to a starbucks and there's children there, and i decide to sit there with a coffee, I can expect that I may be disturbed. But you know what, I saw the children there, I made my decision, I knew what I was letting myself in for.
But I'm not being greedy if i seek out somewhere where I can't be disturbed. And a business isn't discriminating if it offers that service.

Ms. Pingui · 20-01-2013 02:33PM

Grayson wrote: »

I'll mind my own business when you gag your child.
Honestly I have nothing against chilkdren, but how can you expect anyone to sit there and not be affected by a toddler screaming loudly.

Did you know that certain aspects of music share similar properties with a childs scream? This is because we are designed to automatically react in certain ways to certain sounds. When we hear a dog growl, we get either scared or angry. When we hear babies cry we get distressed and it attracts our attention like nothing else does. It is by it's nature a very distressing sound (Although strangly, the bits that draw attention can be compared similarly to music and that's why some music can be very attention grabbing). If you think that everyone should put up with it because you want a bun, than that's just being selfish.

If I go to a starbucks and there's children there, and i decide to sit there with a coffee, I can expect that I may be disturbed. But you know what, I saw the children there, I made my decision, I knew what I was letting myself in for.
But I'm not being greedy if i seek out somewhere where I can't be disturbed. And a business isn't discriminating if it offers that service.

I don't mind about certain places banning children if that's what they want to do.
What annoys me more than any baby crying is people complaining about children and noise in a place that children are allowed.

Babies and small children do make noise and do not sit still, that's just the way it is. Do you expect all parents just to sit home all day every day just to ensure people like you don't get annoyed?

I would never complain to or about anyone who is not in full control of their behavior.
Would you be pi$$ed off if a mentally disabled adult in a wheelchair shared a restaurant with you? These people can be as noisy and messy as children and wheelchairs take up more room than buggies?

Grayson · 20-01-2013 02:34PM

pwurple wrote: »

Only going back 15 or so posts I find this:

To be fair,

1) He didn't say McDonnalds or go ****ing home.

2) the guy he's responding to is being quite argumentative.

3) they were speaking about restaurants not having all those facilities mentioned. I can't think of many that do. It'd really only be big chains like a TGI fridays or McDonalds that would. But that's down to space. Mosr smaller coffee shops I imagine attempt to offer parents the best they can.

And see, most of those places like starbucks are dependant on parents. During the day there's long hours where there's no-one around except parents pushing prams.
In the evening there's plenty of family places. There's no chance of parents running out of quality establishments to go to. This thread is just about providing people (parents and non parents) with a place where children aren't allowed so they can be undisturbed. hell, I'd imagine half the patrons are parents who have left the kids with grandparents/baby sitters and just want a quiet night.
I don't have kids, I'd imagine they are the centre of your world but I'd imagine there are times when you just have to get away for a few hours and stop being a Mum/dad and can be Joe/Mary/Whoever you are.

pwurple · 20-01-2013 02:34PM

Grayson wrote: »

I'll mind my own business when you gag your child.

You should try selling child gags!

I have nothing against chilkdren, but how can you expect anyone to sit there and not be affected by a toddler screaming loudly.

Think back to the OP. This was not a screaming toddler, but a sleeping newborn. There wasn't a peep out of them.

repsol · 20-01-2013 02:37PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You have yourself pointed out 2 restaurants that are child friendly. You give them repeat business. This is their market. That is what they are aiming at. They want YOUR money.

This restaurant, and I wouldn't mind if a few (NOT ALL, I DIDN'T SAY ALL) are aiming at a different market. They have weighed up the pros and cons, and have decided that they want to go after a different market. The people that don't want to be disturbed. Believe it or not, people have different wants. The people that don't mind children or have children in tow have their pick of places. The people that do mind children, or are escaping from their own, or for whatever reason, have this ONE, ONE particular restaurant that they can go to.

What is the harm?

This really is getting tedious.

I believe ANY business should be allowed choose who they wish to do business with.All this equality nonsense is getting out of control.That restaurateur did not discriminate against the baby because the baby was more than likely having a bottle or his own food and couldn't care less where he is when he eats.They refused the kids MOTHER who did not have the sense to know that a buggy was unacceptable and had to have it spelled out to her.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 02:39PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Would you be pi$$ed off if a mentally disabled adult in a wheelchair shared a restaurant with you? These people can be as noisy and messy as children and wheelchairs take up more room than buggies?

I used to work for the wheelchair assoc as a care attendant about 20 years ago.
We'd bring members to pubs for lunch etc (smaller cafe's can't really deal with a large number of wheelchairs, they're quite large really and your average coffee shop/cafe could really only take about 4-6 before becoming crowded) but always in a separate section if we had anyone who might cause problems. I say might because most of the members are able minded and physically disabled. They have had accident/MS etc.. There's only a few that have other disabilities. But I have left with someone who was causing problems whilst everyone else remained.

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