Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

andrew241983 · 19-01-2013 02:49PM

Newcastle agree 6.7 million fee with Montpellier for mbiwa so I guess that's another target out the window... Starting to wonder who is left for us

Oranage2 · 19-01-2013 02:50PM

Has a 30 million bid be confirmed or is it just twitter talk?

andrew241983 · 19-01-2013 02:55PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Has a 30 million bid be confirmed or is it just twitter talk?

Twitter talk so far

Drexel · 19-01-2013 02:58PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Chamakh 13/2 first goalscorer for West Ham, he's starting too. Easy money. :pac:

Really hope he does well with West Ham. Feel kinda sorry for him the way things worked out at Arsenal for him. I think he will do well with them too

Mickeroo · 19-01-2013 03:05PM

jonny666 wrote: »

Really hope he does well with West Ham. Feel kinda sorry for him the way things worked out at Arsenal for him. I think he will do well with them too

So do I actually, i think they'll play to his strengths more than we did and he will bag a few goals I reckon.

emergingstar · 19-01-2013 03:12PM

Juve chairman saying they turned down a 30m bid for Vidal
Wonder was it us
Prob not

wandatowell · 19-01-2013 03:25PM

Dont bother listening to any of the Arsenal transfer news. We wont be signing anyone.

Maybe a young fella or two but as for world class players................not a hope.

Soups123 · 19-01-2013 03:53PM

wonga77 wrote: »

Walcott was right to get what is best for him financially. However he has set himself up for alot of abuse if things dont go his way. The very first ball he doesnt control or shot that he skies 30 ft over the bar are going to lead to the inevitable taunts from some sections. I hope he has a good game tomorrow

He hasn't set himself up for it, what should he done signed for 20 grand less so he could make a mistake or two? If he is booed it'll be down moronic supports. Say what you want about his wage but he'd have got more if he left.

I appreciate his loyalty and think his best years are ahead of him

.jacksparrow. · 19-01-2013 03:57PM

Remy begged Wenger to sign him,lets hope we don't regret it.

Barlett · 19-01-2013 04:38PM

Van Persie left to win trophies, Arsenal could have offered him the same contract as Utd and he still wouldn't have stayed. Great piece in the blizzard about Arsenal where Fabregas said he just got sick of living through groundhog seasons where the club would play well for long periods but couldn't hack it when crunch time came. I imagine it was the same story for RVP, he was not going to win a league title with Arsenal .

.jacksparrow. · 19-01-2013 05:16PM

Barlett wrote: »

Van Persie left to win trophies, Arsenal could have offered him the same contract as Utd and he still wouldn't have stayed. Great piece in the blizzard about Arsenal where Fabregas said he just got sick of living through groundhog seasons where the club would play well for long periods but couldn't hack it when crunch time came. I imagine it was the same story for RVP, he was not going to win a league title with Arsenal .

Haven't seen the interview but I would hazard a guess his words were taken out of context.

tayto lover · 19-01-2013 05:20PM

Barlett wrote: »

Van Persie left to win trophies, Arsenal could have offered him the same contract as Utd and he still wouldn't have stayed. Great piece in the blizzard about Arsenal where Fabregas said he just got sick of living through groundhog seasons where the club would play well for long periods but couldn't hack it when crunch time came. I imagine it was the same story for RVP, he was not going to win a league title with Arsenal .

And that was down to the lack of ambition by Wenger and the Board. They just won't spend the money even though they keep telling us they have it. The players know this and that's why they are leaving, more money and trophies elsewhere.

Things might start changing when the penny drops with those in charge. They have to start noticing the half-full stadium sooner or later even if they ignored the fact that the best players always leave. If we continue the way we are going will Jack be gone in 5 years too? Let's hope not.

We can only wait and hope.

Omeceron · 19-01-2013 05:23PM

Barlett wrote: »

Van Persie left to win trophies, Arsenal could have offered him the same contract as Utd and he still wouldn't have stayed. Great piece in the blizzard about Arsenal where Fabregas said he just got sick of living through groundhog seasons where the club would play well for long periods but couldn't hack it when crunch time came. I imagine it was the same story for RVP, he was not going to win a league title with Arsenal .

He was captain during some of these crunch times, as was Van P. They need to look closer to home sometimes when passing out blame.

tayto lover · 19-01-2013 06:26PM

Omeceron wrote: »

He was captain during some of these crunch times, as was Van P. They need to look closer to home sometimes when passing out blame.

They obviously realised that they couldn't win games on their own and were not getting the assistance needed. No man or captain ever won things on his own. You need a team around you with guts and determination and they hadn't that.
Nobody can deny the quality and desire of Fabregas or RVP but when they were not getting the help from the management and Board they obviously questioned why and could not see that changing in the future.

I find it rich that someone could question the desire of Fabregas who played through the pain barrier with a bad leg injury against none other than Barcelona.

Whats more those players obviously didn't see any ambition coming from above to buy the players needed to win things. Instead the desire and ambition was to make money for the shareholders. Just like now.

Marty McFly · 19-01-2013 06:36PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They obviously realised that they couldn't win games on their own and were not getting the assistance needed. No man or captain ever won things on his own. You need a team around you with guts and determination and they hadn't that.
Nobody can deny the quality and desire of Fabregas or RVP but when they were not getting the help from the management and Board they obviously questioned why and could not see that changing in the future.

I find it rich that someone could question the desire of Fabregas who played through the pain barrier with a bad leg injury against none other than Barcelona.

Whats more those players obviously didn't see any ambition coming from above to buy the players needed to win things. Instead the desire and ambition was to make money for the shareholders. Just like now.

Im sorry im not buying the that team didnt win because of the board, at one stage we had Fabregas, RVP, Nasri, Gallas, Clichy, Toure etc all in the one team players who had either won or went onto to win trophies.

That was a team that should have been capable of winning trophies and didnt because the players let themselves, Arsene and the fans down with a lack of desire and drive its a bit rich blaming the board on that one.

They all forced there way out of the club for better money you can blame the board on that one yes but you cant blame them on the club not winning trophies when they were all on the books together, they all at one point or another went missing in games and as individuals failed to stand up and be counted.

tayto lover · 19-01-2013 06:49PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Im sorry im not buying the that team didnt win because of the board, at one stage we had Fabregas, RVP, Nasri, Gallas, Clichy, Toure etc all in the one team players who had either won or went onto to win trophies.

That was a team that should have been capable of winning trophies and didnt because the players let themselves, Arsene and the fans down with a lack of desire and drive its a bit rich blaming the board on that one.

They all forced there way out of the club for better money you can blame the board on that one yes but you cant blame them on the club not winning trophies when they were all on the books together, they all at one point or another went missing in games and as individuals failed to stand up and be counted.

Yes we always seem to be a few players short of a league winning team and should have bought but failed to do so. Instead we waited for the young lads to come through but not enough came through at the same time unfortunately. We seem to be always one or two big players short, just like now.
On your other point, who's job is it to motivate the team or to drop these players when they are not performing. Walcott has 18 touches in the whole game the other night and should have been replaced at half-time for lack of effort but he was not. It is not just the players who hid or lacked desire over the years.

Marty McFly · 19-01-2013 07:01PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes we always seem to be a few players short of a league winning team and should have bought but failed to do so. Instead we waited for the young lads to come through but not enough came through at the same time unfortunately. We seem to be always one or two big players short, just like now.
On your other point, who's job is it to motivate the team or to drop these players when they are not performing. Walcott has 18 touches in the whole game the other night and should have been replaced at half-time for lack of effort but he was not. It is not just the players who hid or lacked desire over the years.

But we werent short when that team was together, im talking about a team that had Adebayor, Arshavin when he was good a young Wilshere who schooled an excellent Barcelona midfield, Sagna the best RB in the EPL , a very promising looking Ramsey, Walcott , Eduardo , Rosicky that was a very strong team. You blamed the board im saying you cant blame the board for that team not winning it was the players in that team you should be pointing the finger at, they are also the one who forced a move away from the club a really let Wenger down.

While im no fan of the current board they cant be blamed entirely on our trophy drought like you implied

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Yes Wenger can take a large chunk of the blame for that team not winning anything but the board cant

, and moving onto our current team and Walcott being left on yes he should have been pulled off but this is a very different looking Arsenal than what we had in 2008 and a completely different topic really

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tayto lover · 19-01-2013 07:14PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

But we werent short when that team was together, im talking about a team that had Adebayor, Arshavin when he was good a young Wilshere who schooled an excellent Barcelona midfield, Sagna the best RB in the EPL , a very promising looking Ramsey, Walcott , Eduardo , Rosicky that was a very strong team. You blamed the board im saying you cant blame the board for that team not winning it was the players in that team you should be pointing the finger at, they are also the one who forced a move away from the club a really let Wenger down.

While im no fan of the current board they cant be blamed entirely on our trophy drought like you implied .

Yes Wenger can take a large chunk of the blame for that team not winning anything but the board cant , and moving onto our current team and Walcott being left on yes he should have been pulled off but this is a very different looking Arsenal than what we had in 2008 and a completely different topic really .

But that is just it.
We have been nearly there several times but never quite made it. I believe with a bit more ambition and a bit more investment we could have won the title at least twice more. Part of the reason is the lack of depth and not having players to replace the likes of Fabregas or Eduardo when injured at crucial times in the season.
If we don't buy in this window and just lose out on Top 4 this season it will be deja vous again.

.jacksparrow. · 19-01-2013 07:17PM

tayto lover wrote: »

But that is just it.
We have been nearly there several times but never quite made it. I believe with a bit more ambition and a bit more investment we could have won the title at least twice more. Part of the reason is the lack of depth and not having players to replace the likes of Fabregas or Eduardo when injured at crucial times in the season.
If we don't buy in this window and just lose out on Top 4 this season it will be deja vous again.

You can't just buy a ready made replacement for players like fabregas,ready to step in when injured,just isn't as simple as that.

Marty McFly · 19-01-2013 07:20PM

tayto lover wrote: »

But that is just it.
We have been nearly there several times but never quite made it. I believe with a bit more ambition and a bit more investment we could have won the title at least twice more. Part of the reason is the lack of depth and not having players to replace the likes of Fabregas or Eduardo when injured at crucial times in the season.
If we don't buy in this window and just lose out on Top 4 this season it will be deja vous again.

But I think at that time we did have the stength in depth within the squad and really should have won something. We had Eduardo, Bendter, RVP, Adebayoor who could all play up front, in CM we had Fabegas, Wilshere, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin, Song, Nasri , Diaby who could all play in CM the more I look at it the more you have to think that team should really have won something.

Our current team your right though we do need to show ambition, spend money get some quality players in we have a small squad with not enough quality players in it. We still have twelve days so hopefully they get the finger out.

tayto lover · 19-01-2013 07:25PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

You can't just buy a ready made replacement for players like fabregas,ready to step in when injured,just isn't as simple as that.

You can try to have players of that caliber. That is what teams should aspire to. We were lucky we had Fabregas to step in to replace Vieira when he did.

dvemail · 19-01-2013 07:30PM

Don't think Adebayor was around when Wilshere was breaking in, could be wrong. Bendtner has always been crap, RVP was always injured as was Diaby and Rosicky. We have always been short on players as our injury record back then was woeful.
If our first team stayed fit then we might have challenged for more trophies but i think our squad has always been short.

Omeceron · 19-01-2013 08:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I find it rich that someone could question the desire of Fabregas who played through the pain barrier with a bad leg injury against none other than Barcelona.

I'm not questioning his desire but he, like all the players, have to accept some responsibility for the poor performances and lack of trophies.

Its a bit rich of him complaining about the team not being able to hack it at the crunch time when he was a part and leader of the team.

It's as bad as Denilson saying he is leaving because he is a winner or Bendtner because he thinks any top club would be lucky to have him.

tayto lover · 19-01-2013 08:08PM

Omeceron wrote: »

I'm not questioning his desire but he, like all the players, have to accept some responsibility for the poor performances and lack of trophies.

Its a bit rich of him complaining about the team not being able to hack it at the crunch time when he was a part and leader of the team.

It's as bad as Denilson saying he is leaving because he is a winner or Bendtner because he thinks any top club would be lucky to have him.

He carried the team on many occasions in my opinion. He never lacked effort.
When he left he won trophies too just like Clichy, Cole, Toure etc and now RVP will do the same.

19-01-2013 08:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

He carried the team on many occasions in my opinion. He never lacked effort.
When he left he won trophies too just like Clichy, Cole, Toure etc and now RVP will do the same.

My granny could win a trophy in that Barca side. These guys were key players for us, Cole and RVP will be the only ones to win a trophy and actually make a difference in their teams. Can't question their bottle, Nasri/Clichy/Adebayor/Fabregas etc. we can for now.

gosplan · 19-01-2013 08:16PM

Despite the talent, Arsenal have won nothing for a while because of inconsistancy. That's the result of having a young, inexperienced and constantly changing squad.

Give it another year with the current group and things should be very different.

tayto lover · 19-01-2013 08:20PM

gosplan wrote: »

Despite the talent, Arsenal have won nothing for a while because of inconsistancy. That's the result of having a young, inexperienced and constantly changing squad.

Give it another year with the current group and things should be very different.

I'm hoping for that too.
We always seem to be waiting for something. Meanwhile Ferguson sees that Utd might be short a striker and goes out and buys the best :mad:

Mr.Micro · 19-01-2013 08:22PM

gosplan wrote: »

Despite the talent, Arsenal have won nothing for a while because of inconsistancy. That's the result of having a young, inexperienced and constantly changing squad.

Give it another year with the current group and things should be very different.

Maybe, but I would say we will not be playing CL next season if the current season continues as hit and miss. Of course if we win the Cl this year then we will be playing.

gosplan · 19-01-2013 08:45PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm hoping for that too.
We always seem to be waiting for something. Meanwhile Ferguson sees that Utd might be short a striker and goes out and buys the best :mad:

Yeah but our situation has been very different for a long time so it's not really worth comparing.

What is important is that the rot has stopped in terms of players leaving. Any major changes to the squad over the next 2/3 years (bar perhaps Sagna if he goes) will be to improve it.

bad2dabone · 19-01-2013 08:53PM

gosplan wrote: »

Yeah but our situation has been very different for a long time so it's not really worth comparing.

What is important is that the rot has stopped in terms of players leaving. Any major changes to the squad over the next 2/3 years (bar perhaps Sagna if he goes) will be to improve it.

such an important point. I believe with commercial deals in place the club has a healthy surplus to use on aquisitions. Provided we're not using this money to replace critical players we can hope that arsene spends it well on improving the squad and having a consistency of personnel- he has done so the past. Obviously we've got a squad containing a fair few stinkers in there at the moment but some of them were signed when we were needing less expensive options due to the need to finance the stadium (which was absolutely essential for the long term future of the club), and others like Arshavin are just there for the pay chque.

I do think though that since we've now secured Theo we need to make a statement of intent by producing a major signing either this window - unlikely i think - or the summertime.

I definitely think that the ultimate beneficiary of Wenger's tenure at the club will be the managers who follow him in the job.

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