Restaurant bans children...

steddyeddy · 19-01-2013 04:06PM

Aside from the ban issue it's amzing the amount of people who think that rude children have to be a fact of life. If someones children are annoying me I'll tell them. I was eating in a pub recently and some man came in with his young son and had dinner while his young son ran around pointing a laser pointer in peoples eyes. His father didn't seem to cate in the slightest. No one has to put up with spoiled brats.

awec · 19-01-2013 04:08PM

animaal wrote: »

So any initiative that makes money for a business should be supported by the public?

I take it you're a fan of one-hour windows being imposed by a restaurant for your meal, or mandatory service charges that the staff don't get, recycling the side salads returned by previous customers, labeling some random fish as "Cod"? They all make money for a business too.

If you don't like it go elsewhere.

Business are there to make money.

xLexie · 19-01-2013 04:21PM

A perfect example why kids shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant. Went for late lunch with my father yesterday, the restaurant was almost empty except for a woman ordering take out at the desk. Myself and my dad were talking when this child, maybe about 4 came down and stood nearby our table and started yelling "peeekaboo" at us, I looked at her and smiled and turned back to talk to my dad and she kept doing it. What the hell? When she wasn't being looked at she started shouting it louder, her mom walked down and took her by the hand but the child pulled her hand back and her mom went back to the desk to wait for her order. When they were leaving the child still didnt want to leave or stop being a brat, and her mom said to her "good girl it's time to go" good girl!!!

Just before we went for lunch we were in the bank and another child was pulling at the lodgement slips and the pen and the man in front of me took the pen when she left it down to fill in his lodgement sheet and the child started screaming "mammmmmy that man took my pen" crying. Her mom gave her a pen she had in her bag and continued to let her scribble on lodgement sheets and she ended up eventually pulling the pen and the pen stand down onto the floor, where she started to cry again, and her mother consoling her telling her it was ok that it was only an accident.

Why do parents think it's okay to subject their ill reared brats on civilised society? If they can't behave then they should be left at home.

MagicSean · 19-01-2013 04:31PM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Not everyone decides to have children, our three were unplanned.

Did nobody ever tell you how they are made?

steddyeddy wrote: »

Aside from the ban issue it's amzing the amount of people who think that rude children have to be a fact of life. If someones children are annoying me I'll tell them. I was eating in a pub recently and some man came in with his young son and had dinner while his young son ran around pointing a laser pointer in peoples eyes. His father didn't seem to cate in the slightest. No one has to put up with spoiled brats.

This is the main point. Bold children aren't a fact of life, they're a product of poor parenting.

osarusan · 19-01-2013 05:19PM

xLexie wrote: »

A perfect example why kids shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant. Went for late lunch with my father yesterday, the restaurant was almost empty except for a woman ordering take out at the desk. Myself and my dad were talking when this child, maybe about 4 came down and stood nearby our table and started yelling "peeekaboo" at us, I looked at her and smiled and turned back to talk to my dad and she kept doing it. What the hell? When she wasn't being looked at she started shouting it louder, her mom walked down and took her by the hand but the child pulled her hand back and her mom went back to the desk to wait for her order. When they were leaving the child still didnt want to leave or stop being a brat, and her mom said to her "good girl it's time to go" good girl!!!

I think it's a perfect example of why that child shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant.

I don't see the logic in generalising that no kid should be allowed, no more than it would be logical to argue that all people from Cork be banned from a restaurant after witnessing one (or more) abusive Corkonian.

Grayson · 19-01-2013 05:21PM

osarusan wrote: »

I think it's a perfect example of why that child shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant.

I don't see the logic in generalising that no kid should be allowed, no more than it would be logical to argue that all people from Cork be banned from a restaurant after witnessing one (or more) abusive Corkonian.

Do corkmen as a rule have a tendancy to act immature? Children are the definition of immature. When we say immature, we mean acting like a child. And it's not a compliment.

xLexie · 19-01-2013 05:39PM

osarusan wrote: »

I think it's a perfect example of why that child shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant.

I don't see the logic in generalising that no kid should be allowed, no more than it would be logical to argue that all people from Cork be banned from a restaurant after witnessing one (or more) abusive Corkonian.

Unfortunately there is no X-ray at restaurant doors to seperate well behaved kids from little monsters. Fact is, the vast majority of kids are incapable of behaving themselves, and people paying for more than nuggets and chips shouldn't be subjected to it, is all I'm saying.

19-01-2013 07:04PM

Morph the Cat wrote: »

You're 22 - you know nothing about anything. Move along.

So we can't discriminate against kids, but when you're 22 your opinion and life experience doesn't count?

Seeing countless examples of parents being too tired or too busy to take responsibility for their child causing chaos is something I can point out, whether I saw it when I was 22 or 62.

lounakin · 19-01-2013 07:13PM

xLexie wrote: »

A perfect example why kids shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant. Went for late lunch with my father yesterday, the restaurant was almost empty except for a woman ordering take out at the desk. Myself and my dad were talking when this child, maybe about 4 came down and stood nearby our table and started yelling "peeekaboo" at us, I looked at her and smiled and turned back to talk to my dad and she kept doing it. What the hell? When she wasn't being looked at she started shouting it louder, her mom walked down and took her by the hand but the child pulled her hand back and her mom went back to the desk to wait for her order. When they were leaving the child still didnt want to leave or stop being a brat, and her mom said to her "good girl it's time to go" good girl!!!

Just before we went for lunch we were in the bank and another child was pulling at the lodgement slips and the pen and the man in front of me took the pen when she left it down to fill in his lodgement sheet and the child started screaming "mammmmmy that man took my pen" crying. Her mom gave her a pen she had in her bag and continued to let her scribble on lodgement sheets and she ended up eventually pulling the pen and the pen stand down onto the floor, where she started to cry again, and her mother consoling her telling her it was ok that it was only an accident.

Why do parents think it's okay to subject their ill reared brats on civilised society? If they can't behave then they should be left at home.

Poor little girl was being her sociable self! It's hard to prevent some kids from interacting with other adults, it's actually a positive thing. Now I understand you don't want to play peekaboo and her mother should have come over to tell her you guys didn't want to play but I don't think it's an example of an ill reared brat. It's more like unsolicited attention just like you'd get from anyone, not just a child.

Precious flower · 19-01-2013 07:21PM

It's down to parents who cannot control their children when they go out for a meal simple as, and I feel sorry that this ban includes all children/babies even the ones who know how to properly behave themselves. My family and I have gone out for a meal before in restaurants and the kids in the next table were running riot and screaming because the parents couldn't control them. I think like someone in this thread said earlier that these cases should be deal from family to family and not to ban all children coming into the restaurant. In my opinion, the restaurant should issue a strict warning telling parents if they cannot control their children they will be asked to leave.

I can well believe the health and safety comment too. I was in a small café recently and a small two year old children was left in the middle of floor between two tables which was the only way to get to the other tables furthur back. I mean people were carrying trays of hot tea and food, if they had injured the child or themselves that would have been awful. If you cannot control your child, don't bring it out with you.

end of the road · 19-01-2013 07:46PM

Grayson wrote: »

a carriage on a train that has a no child policy. You could also have a carriage that has a no alcohol policy so kids don't have to watch stag parties heading to Galway.

would have worked years ago but, seeing as its only 3 car cattle trains operating on many long distance journeys these days it probably wouldn't work sadly, i would love a no children carrige though but i can't ever see it happening

dark crystal · 19-01-2013 07:49PM

xLexie wrote: »

Unfortunately there is no X-ray at restaurant doors to seperate well behaved kids from little monsters. Fact is, the vast majority of kids are incapable of behaving themselves, and people paying for more than nuggets and chips shouldn't be subjected to it, is all I'm saying.

xLexie wrote: »

Why do parents think it's okay to subject their ill reared brats on civilised society? If they can't behave then they should be left at home.

Reading through your posts, seems to me you have a major problem with kids doing anything in the same space as adults.

The idea that children should never be allowed into an establishment where people are paying for something more expensive than nuggets and chips is ridiculous. Your money is no more valuable than the parent who wishes to bring their children out for a nutritious meal.

In countries like France, Spain and Italy, children are encouraged to dine out - none of this 'children should be seen and not heard' nonsense. Of course parents should ensure their children behave appropriately in such places, but some of the generalisations on this thread are just nonsense. I've been to plenty of restaurants where children behaved exceptionally well and didn't turn into screaming, tantrum-throwing brats as soon as they sat down to eat.

animaal · 19-01-2013 07:50PM

awec wrote: »

If you don't like it go elsewhere.

Business are there to make money.

Yes, consumers can go elsewhere. We can also tell everybody what we think of particular business practices and why we think that way. Some might agree, some might disagree, but people can make informed decisions.

spookwoman · 19-01-2013 08:18PM

lounakin wrote: »

Poor little girl was being her sociable self! It's hard to prevent some kids from interacting with other adults, it's actually a positive thing. Now I understand you don't want to play peekaboo and her mother should have come over to tell her you guys didn't want to play but I don't think it's an example of an ill reared brat. It's more like unsolicited attention just like you'd get from anyone, not just a child.

Ah sure they are only kids! Sorry that doesn't wash with me.
If an adult started behaving like that they would be kicked into touch pretty quickly so why should a child be given free rain to interact with adults who don't want to be interacted with. Someone sits at a table maybe with another or on their own that pretty much means they want to be left alone. How would you feel if you were sitting and someone kept butting in?
People need to take responsibility for their actions and those they are in charge of. If you cannot do that, something happens and you don't like it tough luck. If you don't like the rules go somewhere else.

xLexie · 19-01-2013 08:25PM

lounakin wrote: »

Poor little girl was being her sociable self! It's hard to prevent some kids from interacting with other adults, it's actually a positive thing. Now I understand you don't want to play peekaboo and her mother should have come over to tell her you guys didn't want to play but I don't think it's an example of an ill reared brat. It's more like unsolicited attention just like you'd get from anyone, not just a child.

Yes it is an example of an ill reared brat, screaming at complete strangers.

xLexie · 19-01-2013 08:30PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Reading through your posts, seems to me you have a major problem with kids doing anything in the same space as adults.

The idea that children should never be allowed into an establishment where people are paying for something more expensive than nuggets and chips is ridiculous. Your money is no more valuable than the parent who wishes to bring their children out for a nutritious meal.

In countries like France, Spain and Italy, children are encouraged to dine out - none of this 'children should be seen and not heard' nonsense. Of course parents should ensure their children behave appropriately in such places, but some of the generalisations on this thread are just nonsense. I've been to plenty of restaurants where children behaved exceptionally well and didn't turn into screaming, tantrum-throwing brats as soon as they sat down to eat.

I have a problem with putting up with screaming children in places you'd expect not to have to listen to them. Mass, work, restaurants, banks. Basically anywhere you can't escape from them. Just because you might choose to put up with bad behaviour or encourage your little darlings to do whatever their little heart desires doesn't mean everyone else should. I have no problems with a child sitting down in a restaurant and stfu, this craic of them racing around the place and disrupting everyone else and running into chairs and people, no sir. It does not fly. And I take great pleasure in announcing "who owns those brats" when it gets too much.

spookwoman · 19-01-2013 08:49PM

One of the grossed things out there is seeing a snooty nosed kid spitting out food onto the table or floor. If it goes onto the floor pity any poor sod who walks or slips on it. If that's not a H&S issue its bloody unhygienic and stomach turning.
Add the smell of a dirty nappy!

lounakin · 19-01-2013 11:36PM

Well I'm glad I came upon this thread, now I know how uptight people are about kids and it seems you will get looks straight away and not get a chance to be welcomed in the event your kid can behave. I was looking forward to bringing my daughter to my favourite spots but I guess all we deserve is sticky plastic chairs in a food court...
I know I'm slightly exaggerating but I really get the feeling some people here act like children are an unusual problem that should be hidden or that always takes us by surprise like a snow day. There's always going to be children, get used to it.
It's also anyone's right to complain if a person or a child is being loud, but let's not judge people who may be on their last nerve and make them out to be unfit idiots who only want to shove their brats in your face.

edit: perhaps if children weren't so ignored in this society they wouldn't need to stand up and make themselves heard.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 12:01AM

lounakin wrote: »

edit: perhaps if children weren't so ignored in this society they wouldn't need to stand up and make themselves heard.

:rolleyes: Could also say the reason why they stand up and make themselves heard is because their parents are ignoring them and not watching them.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:06AM

spookwoman wrote: »

:rolleyes: Could also say the reason why they stand up and make themselves heard is because their parents are ignoring them and not watching them.

Yes you could say that. However I remember how easy it was to judge other parents before I had my child and how I've changed my tune since having my child.
Perhaps if waiters and owners were a bit more outspoken about keeping order in their establishment we wouldn't have a problem. And I'm sure we can all accept a small dose of child sparks in our daily lives.

lazygal · 20-01-2013 12:07AM

lounakin wrote: »

Well I'm glad I came upon this thread, now I know how uptight people are about kids and it seems you will get looks straight away and not get a chance to be welcomed in the event your kid can behave. I was looking forward to bringing my daughter to my favourite spots but I guess all we deserve is sticky plastic chairs in a food court...
I know I'm slightly exaggerating but I really get the feeling some people here act like children are an unusual problem that should be hidden or that always takes us by surprise like a snow day. There's always going to be children, get used to it.
It's also anyone's right to complain if a person or a child is being loud, but let's not judge people who may be on their last nerve and make them out to be unfit idiots who only want to shove their brats in your face.

edit: perhaps if children weren't so ignored in this society they wouldn't need to stand up and make themselves heard.

You're the kind of parent I hope never to be. No one is delighted to see my child coming if we're bringing her to a place only suitable for adults. Get over your sense of entitlement, not everything is or should be child friendly.

Children don't need to stand up and make themselves heard in a public place. That's what parenting at home is for, to train them to behave themselves.

mfceiling · 20-01-2013 12:12AM

I took my 3 to milanos in dundrum last night.

Was looking forward to it all week.

We sat right at the back and hopefully caused no one any offence - they coloured in and then watched the ice skaters flying around while laughing at the ones falling.

The waitress gave them a high five as we left and an elderly couple complimented them to my missus as they were leaving.

Shock horror, some kids can go out and behave and ruin nobodies night.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:13AM

lazygal wrote: »

You're the kind of parent I hope never to be. No one is delighted to see my child coming if we're bringing her to a place only suitable for adults. Get over your sense of entitlement, not everything is or should be child friendly.

Children don't need to stand up and make themselves heard in a public place. That's what parenting at home is for, to train them to behave themselves.

Aside from being rude you've totally misunderstood me, I do not think children should be brought just anywhere, but the places mentioned before like coffee shops etc... you shouldn't be greeted with dark looks, it's totally unfair. I'm surprised at how child unfriendly Dublin is and how obtuse some people can be.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:20AM

I also want to say this is a perfect example: "you're the kind of parent I never want to be", you do not know me and you judge so harshly. You do not know for instance that I spent most of my days alone for months, avoiding even grocery stores for fear of having my baby cry and annoy people. I've been so lonely wanting to just go for a cup of coffee and see other people for 10 minutes and ended up walking in circles outside coffee shops not daring to come in and going home. It's only later when I realised my daughter liked to be surrounded with people that I got the courage to take her places. So yeah, I'm floored by this entire thread.
All I'm trying to say is give people a break, not all kids are monsters.

lazygal · 20-01-2013 12:21AM

lounakin wrote: »

Aside from being rude you've totally misunderstood me, I do not think children should be brought just anywhere, but the places mentioned before like coffee shops etc... you shouldn't be greeted with dark looks, it's totally unfair. I'm surprised at how child unfriendly Dublin is and how obtuse some people can be.

I'm surprised how many parents think everyone wants to see children coming through the door. I'm also surprised how parents think their children should be welcomed everywhere, at any time. I'm surprised how some people are a bit thick and don't realise that a small coffee shop wouldn't want half the space taken up with giant buggies when other customers can't sit down.

lazygal · 20-01-2013 12:22AM

lounakin wrote: »

I also want to say this is a perfect example: "you're the kind of parent I never want to be", you do not know me and you judge so harshly. You do not know for instance that I spent most of my days alone for months, avoiding even grocery stores for fear of having my baby cry and annoy people. I've been so lonely wanting to just go for a cup of coffee and see other people for 10 minutes and ended up walking in circles outside coffee shops not daring to come in and going home. It's only later when I realised my daughter liked to be surrounded with people that I got the courage to take her places. So yeah, I'm floored by this entire thread.
All I'm trying to say is give people a break, not all kids are monsters.

I'm not being funny, but did you never think of going to a Cuidiu meeting or the local toddler playgroup? They wreck my head but I go because at least its all parents with young children so you know you're in the right place and a bit of noise or crying doesn't mean you're dashing home.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 12:26AM

lounakin wrote: »

Yes you could say that. However I remember how easy it was to judge other parents before I had my child and how I've changed my tune since having my child.
Perhaps if waiters and owners were a bit more outspoken about keeping order in their establishment we wouldn't have a problem. And I'm sure we can all accept a small dose of child sparks in our daily lives.

No one forced to you to get pregnant or have it and as you said your tune was different before. Face it not everyone has children or even likes them so don't expect others to want put up with your kids even in small doses.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:27AM

lazygal wrote: »

I'm not being funny, but did you never think of going to a Cuidiu meeting or the local toddler playgroup? They wreck my head but I go because at least its all parents with young children so you know you're in the right place and a bit of noise or crying doesn't mean you're dashing home.

All those meet-ups are really far from where I live, and I shouldn't have to only go where other kids are. I'm sorry but sometimes I go to my fav place with the baby. If there's no room for a buggy, I don't take it.
Not sure why I'm responding to you, perhaps your comment was too hurtful to let go. I also don't know why are argue: no one's going to change, there's always going to be obnoxious kids in restaurants just like there will be obnoxious people who talk loud, who insult you, unpleasant, rude waiters etc.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:30AM

spookwoman wrote: »

No one forced to you to get pregnant or have it and as you said your tune was different before. Face it not everyone has children or even likes them so don't expect others to want put up with your kids even in small doses.

We put up with people, why not put up with children? Are you saying if I come in a shop with my very quiet child that you would want me to go home just for being there with a baby?

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 12:32AM

lounakin wrote: »

We put up with people, why not put up with children? Are you saying if I come in a shop with my very quiet child that you would want me to go home just for being there with a baby?

I don't mind you coming in I do mind if your kid starts screaming, throwing tantrums, and running around.

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