Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 05:34PM

emergingstar wrote: »

That's not fair on bale he is playing in a shït team

Don't want to tempt fate, we are playing them on Sunday

Gringo180 · 18-01-2013 05:36PM

The thing that annoys me about Theo is that you could make 2 seperate compilations up of his best bits and worst bits, best bits he would be a world beater and his bad bits he would look like a sunday league player or even worse. Hes just so frustrating and so inconsistent.

premierstone · 18-01-2013 05:36PM

farna_boy wrote: »

Yeah because of all the Arsenal players, he is the one that they should all aspire to be more like.

Over the last few games Walcott has shown the following:

1. Is far too greedy with the ball: had numerous chances to pass the ball to others (in far better positions) around the penalty area but prefers to shoot himself.

2. Can't take corner kicks.

3. Can't take free kicks.

4. Can be taken completely taken out of a game if we are playing against a reasonably good defence (Man City)

5. Will only play where he wants, not where he is told

6. Never tracks back to cover his wing (when he actually decides to play there).

I can see what you mean though, I wish we had more players like him...

And the rest of the players have been magnificent :rolleyes: Jack aside I cant think of any other player, Woj possibly, who is blameless for some of the recent performances, but yet if someone hadn't seen any of our last 4 games and came on here and read back through the thread you would think Walcott had been on a Johnny Walters type self destruction blitz.

Of your 6 points only one of them is actually true, I'll let a great analyst of the game like yourself figure out which one.

wonga77 · 18-01-2013 05:48PM

at the very least points 2,3 and 6 are spot on

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 05:58PM

I am not great at computers or finding stats but how many goals has Walcott scored against the champions Man Utd?

wonga77 · 18-01-2013 05:58PM

I think its obvious over the last few games that Theo has been left do as he pleases to keep him happy. I cant see hime being left near a free kick any time soon anyway. Id be expecting normal service to resume soon and see him out on the wing.
Time for mollycoddling is over

greendom · 18-01-2013 05:59PM

farna_boy wrote: »

Yeah because of all the Arsenal players, he is the one that they should all aspire to be more like.

Over the last few games Walcott has shown the following:

1. Is far too greedy with the ball: had numerous chances to pass the ball to others (in far better positions) around the penalty area but prefers to shoot himself.

2. Can't take corner kicks.

3. Can't take free kicks.

4. Can be taken completely taken out of a game if we are playing against a reasonably good defence (Man City)

5. Will only play where he wants, not where he is told

6. Never tracks back to cover his wing (when he actually decides to play there).

I can see what you mean though, I wish we had more players like him...

RE point 2 most of our goals from corners this season (I know there haven't been many) have been taken by Walcott.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:00PM

greendom wrote: »

RE point 2 most of our goals from corners this season (I know there haven't been many) have been taken by Walcott.

Goal from a corner ??? I must have missed that goal

wonga77 · 18-01-2013 06:01PM

greendom wrote: »

RE point 2 most of our goals from corners this season (I know there haven't been many) have been taken by Walcott.

Maybe if someone else was taking corners, we'd have more goals

Roddy23 · 18-01-2013 06:02PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I am not great at computers or finding stats but how many goals has Walcott scored against the champions Man Utd?

United aren't the champions. He did score against United last season though.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:03PM

Roddy23 wrote: »

United aren't the champions. He did score against United last season though.

Correct. I meant to say the most successful team in the EPL.

Marty McFly · 18-01-2013 06:06PM

Fcuk it he may not be as consistent as a lot of us like, he may infuriate us all at times but he chips in with his fair share of goals being our top scorer this season has supplied plenty assists over the coarse of the last few season, is still young enough to improve and get more consistent. Im also delighted for once we have signed Theo and not been on the bad end of one of our now famous transfer sagas along with the five players signing new contracts a while back the future may be bright

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More goals and assists I look forward to in the coming seasons. Time for some optimism

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greendom · 18-01-2013 06:07PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Goal from a corner ??? I must have missed that goal

i think he started with a bang - we scored from a corner he took against Fulham ( I think that was his first game taking them this season) and another against Reading in the league cup

farna_boy · 18-01-2013 06:09PM

premierstone wrote: »

And the rest of the players have been magnificent :rolleyes: Jack aside I cant think of any other player, Woj possibly, who is blameless for some of the recent performances, but yet if someone hadn't seen any of our last 4 games and came on here and read back through the thread you would think Walcott had been on a Johnny Walters type self destruction blitz.

Of your 6 points only one of them is actually true, I'll let a great analyst of the game like yourself figure out which one.

I never said the rest of the players were blameless. You essentially said that there is no good reason why people are criticising Walcott, they were only doing it because it was "cool".

If you want to actually discuss Walcott's performances I will be happy to reply but if you would prefer to use rolleyes smileys, avoid the issues and have a go at me instead of addressing any of the points I made, I don't think I'll bother.

greendom · 18-01-2013 06:09PM

wonga77 wrote: »

Maybe if someone else was taking corners, we'd have more goals

Arteta and Cazorla are at least as bad at taking them as he is.

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 06:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I am not great at computers or finding stats but how many goals has Walcott scored against the champions Man Utd?

Chelsea: 4
Spurs: 5
ManUtd: 1

Barca: 1

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:10PM

greendom wrote: »

Arteta and Cazorla are at least as bad at taking them as he is.

Not enough practice on the training ground as i have continually said.
It can be embarrassing at times.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:11PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Chelsea: 4
Spurs: 5
ManUtd: 1

Barca: 1

I just used Man Utd as they have been at the top for a long time.

Pepe LeFrits · 18-01-2013 06:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Not much in it and when you conside that it's Girouds first season and he has had to adapt to a new team/system. Giroud is a very honest player who tries hard. Theo seems to become anonymous against the big clubs with skillful defenders. His corners and free-kicks are abysmal too.

Ah now, I like Giroud but based on those stats Giroud has contributed a goal or assist every 165 minutes while Walcott has every 65 or so. Giroud plays exclusively as a central striker while Walcott has still spent most of his time on the wing, and is more than 2 years younger.

TimeToShine wrote: »

Walcott's stats are being padded by those two hat-tricks. The matter of the fact is we all have the right to be disappointed by how he has turned out so far. We signed him at 16 with very high hopes and he hasn't progressed as quickly as we'd hoped. Obviously he's still 23 but look at the likes of Hazard and Goetze, that's the kind of player we had every right to expect at 21/22 after all the hype around him. He's not particularly bad, bit of a headless chicken but he does contribute and is quite valuable to us, but using stats to justify his importance isn't really all that telling.

Story of Walcott's life, people criticising him for not meeting their preconceived notions of what he should do, instead of appreciating what he actually he does.

As for using scoring a hat-trick against Newcastle against him, well... ok. Let's at least be consistent and discount our other player's hat-tricks... wait a second...

farna_boy wrote: »

Yeah because of all the Arsenal players, he is the one that they should all aspire to be more like.

Over the last few games Walcott has shown the following:

1. Is far too greedy with the ball: had numerous chances to pass the ball to others (in far better positions) around the penalty area but prefers to shoot himself.

2. Can't take corner kicks.

3. Can't take free kicks.

4. Can be taken completely taken out of a game if we are playing against a reasonably good defence (Man City)

5. Will only play where he wants, not where he is told

6. Never tracks back to cover his wing (when he actually decides to play there).

I can see what you mean though, I wish we had more players like him...

Most of those options apply to all the attacking players in our squad (number 1 being one exception; most players in our squad are shot-shy, and number 5 being the other; that applies to none of them, including Walcott, and is clearly nonsense).

Walcott may have gotten a little bit too much out of us but that's generally the way it goes with the players who make the most difference. The problem with our squad isn't that we're paying Theo Walcott 15 grand a week too much, it's the fortune we're playing to fringe players to do absolutely nothing.

Irish Aris · 18-01-2013 06:13PM

maybe we could have a poll: Do you agree with Arsenal signing a new contract with Theo Walcott?
It could work as a reality check too:rolleyes:. . . because I think it's kind of surreal to say that (regardless of statistics, goals, performances or inconsistency) the current Arsenal football club could afford to lose Theo Walcott.
Absolutely, there are far more better players than Theo out there. But what are the chances of the board saying to Arsene "hey, here's a 100 million euros, lure in 3-4 of the best players there are in the market"?

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:14PM

Walcott is also playing with this team a lot longer than Giroud who is in his first year Pepe.

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 06:15PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I just used Man Utd as they have been at the top for a long time.

Not sure why you asked for it, but when I was searching I looked for Chelsea as they were top team (before Walcott joined Arsenal) and Spurs are your arch rivals.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:17PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Not sure why you asked for it, but when I was searching I looked for Chelsea as they were top team (before Walcott joined Arsenal) and Spurs are your arch rivals.

Well I didn't ask for City who he hasn't scored against.
I wanted his stats against the best team, Man Utd. You can guage against the best.

Pepe LeFrits · 18-01-2013 06:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Walcott is also playing with this team a lot longer than Giroud who is in his first year Pepe.

Yes, as you've said, and you're welcome to assign that so much importance as to discount Walcott's 2.5 times greater output, his comparative youth and his tendency to play in a position where key contributions are harder to come by, but for me, it's nowhere near that important.

As it stands, he justifiably earns more than Giroud.

Glad he's signed... though it doesn't really do a great deal to change my view on what a cluster**** the club is at the moment.

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 06:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Well I didn't ask for City who he hasn't scored against.
I wanted his stats against the best team, Man Utd. You can guage against the best.

I didn't follow this discussion from start, so was not sure what was the point of that stat.

Assuming it's to prove Walcott chokes against big team, I would say his record is decent considering he scored 9 goals against Chelsea and Spurs and he was a winger.

Comparing against only one team is not the way to go IMO as Drogba's record against United is just 1 league goal IIRC (that he scored in 2010)

emergingstar · 18-01-2013 06:25PM

We don't need a DM let's give coq a chance
There I said it and I'm not taking It back

farna_boy · 18-01-2013 06:30PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

maybe we could have a poll: Do you agree with Arsenal signing a new contract with Theo Walcott?
It could work as a reality check too:rolleyes:. . . because I think it's kind of surreal to say that (regardless of statistics, goals, performances or inconsistency) the current Arsenal football club could afford to lose Theo Walcott.
Absolutely, there are far more better players than Theo out there. But what are the chances of the board saying to Arsene "hey, here's a 100 million euros, lure in 3-4 of the best players there are in the market"?

I don't have a problem with Walcott being given a new contract. Yes, I think he got far more than he is worth but, in general, looking at this season alone he is worth keeping. However, I don't think he is good enough to be our main centre forward or that he should be allowed anywhere near a free kick again.

He is a good impact player and would do well to play off Giroud, but I think it says far more that we need Walcott to stay and that we are relying on him so heavily. How many other top teams would Walcott walk into? Barca? Real? Chelsea? City? F*ck it, would he even make it onto the Sp*rs team, no questions asked?

Overall, he is a decent player and probably above average but could easily be replaced if we were willing to spend the money. It is probably important that we hold on to him until the end of the season but I wouldn't have any problem shipping him out in the summer if I thought he would be replaced.

premierstone · 18-01-2013 06:40PM

farna_boy wrote: »

I never said the rest of the players were blameless. You essentially said that there is no good reason why people are criticising Walcott, they were only doing it because it was "cool".

If you want to actually discuss Walcott's performances I will be happy to reply but if you would prefer to use rolleyes smileys, avoid the issues and have a go at me instead of addressing any of the points I made, I don't think I'll bother.

Apologies I just read back my post and I was a little off, just frustration.

The one about the free kicks is the only one I would agree with tbh, he's corners have been as good as any other Arsenal players, its a problem not exclusive to him, this thread would lead one to believe otherwise though.

The one about shooting too often baffles me aswell as this Arsenal team are constantly accused of trying to pass the ball into the net and score the perfect goal, can't win it seems, and all good forwards/strikers are greedy.

tayto lover wrote: »

Walcott is also playing with this team a lot longer than Giroud who is in his first year Pepe.

Who out of the forward/midfield players has he really played that much more with and certainly not as a unit.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 06:44PM

premierstone wrote: »

Apologies I just read back my post and I was a little off, just frustration.

The one about the free kicks is the only one I would agree with tbh, he's corners have been as good as any other Arsenal players, its a problem not exclusive to him, this thread would lead one to believe otherwise though.

The one about shooting too often baffles me aswell as this Arsenal team are constantly accused of trying to pass the ball into the net and score the perfect goal, can't win it seems, and all good forwards/strikers are greedy.

Who out of the forward/midfield players has he really played that much more with and certainly not as a unit.

Obviously playing with Arsenal for 6/7 seasons is an advantage compared to a new-comer like Giroud.

Irish Aris · 18-01-2013 06:47PM

farna_boy wrote: »

I don't have a problem with Walcott being given a new contract. Yes, I think he got far more than he is worth but, in general, looking at this season alone he is worth keeping. However, I don't think he is good enough to be our main centre forward or that he should be allowed anywhere near a free kick again.

He is a good impact player and would do well to play off Giroud, but I think it says far more that we need Walcott to stay and that we are relying on him so heavily. How many other top teams would Walcott walk into? Barca? Real? Chelsea? City? F*ck it, would he even make it onto the Sp*rs team, no questions asked?

Overall, he is a decent player and probably above average but could easily be replaced if we were willing to spend the money. It is probably important that we hold on to him until the end of the season but I wouldn't have any problem shipping him out in the summer if I thought he would be replaced.

We agree. We are not Barca, Real, Chelsea or City (I think that he would fit in the current Tottenham), that's why I said that we need to keep him. There already is lots of criticism of Arsenal being a retail shop, not able to keep any decent player, selling or letting them go.
It's rather unlikely that we are going to "break the bank" in the summer. I hope I am wrong, I don't hold high expectations though. . .

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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