Restaurant bans children...

18-01-2013 12:41PM

It would be great if they could discriminate between the parents that keep their kids under control and those who don't, but it would require:

a) essentially telling someone that even though kids are allowed in the restaurant, their kids are too bold (which most parents would not take very well). I wouldn't be surprised if it led to legal proceedings in some cases.

b) asking people to leave after already allowing them to be seated and getting their meals started (which would cause a loss for the business) or asking them to leave after they've already gotten food (which if you ask them to leave you can't really ask them to pay for).

Unfortunately the parents who don't bother to teach their kids how to behave in public are in my experience usually the same parents who'll deny to the bitter end that their child has any behavioural problems. Parents whose children are usually well behaved are (again, just in my experience) the same parents who'll be the first to nip a tantrum in the bud, step outside a restaurant if they need to deal with any problems, and keep their kids out of other people's way.

bullvine · 18-01-2013 12:42PM

ITS_A_BADGER wrote: »

wow, just wow

Wow indeed, What??

donalg1 · 18-01-2013 12:42PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Yes, she could have just borrowed it for the day.

Or an even more logical conclusion could have been that the father was chinese.

MurdyWurdy · 18-01-2013 12:44PM

Does it say on the website that children are not welcome at lunchtime due to health and safety concerns? I have no problem with restaurants saying they don't welcome children but it 's not very fair if there is no advance warning. Being turned away with a newborn probably wasn't very pleasant. I'm sure the mother in question would have much preferred some advance warning and could have gone somewhere else and save everyone a lot of hassle!

krudler · 18-01-2013 12:46PM

MurdyWurdy wrote: »

Does it say on the website that children are not welcome at lunchtime due to health and safety concerns? I have no problem with restaurants saying they don't welcome children but it 's not very fair if there is no advance warning. Being turned away with a newborn probably wasn't very pleasant. I'm sure the mother in question would have much preferred some advance warning and could have gone somewhere else and save everyone a lot of hassle!

why would anyone look up a restaurants website before going there at lunchtime?

wotsit · 18-01-2013 12:48PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

the only problem i see with this is they are judging every child by the bad mothers!

My three year old may be classed as a 'child' but considering we eat in a restaurant once at least maybe twice a month she is not only used to sitting at a table, but will sit there, eat her 3 courses, doesn't scream, cry, but converses with us and her grand-uncle she might do a bit of colouring in between course or play a game on a phone (shock horror we actually provide her with entertainment i know), she never had her buggy blocking tables, in fact from when she was old enough to sit up we had a portable booster seat rather than use high chairs so now she sits in normally provided seats and sits properly.

but overall i hate being disturbed by other peoples brats and i refuse to allow her to disrupt someone elses meal.

its not fair that she would be turned away due to her age despite her exceptional behavior record.

I liked your post because of your attitude to parenting, however, as (dare I say it) you are in the minority you have to suffer the consequences of other parents who sit there allowing their little ones' unruly behaviour to spoil the experience for others.

miss no stars · 18-01-2013 12:48PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

i wouldn't know it has never happened, if ever she misbehaved when younger we nipped it in the bud straight away before she would even cry, she's grown up knowing you talk quietly and behave in certain places (likewise when she gets to the playground she goes mad running around squealing) and has never ever given us a reason to take her outside during a meal (shes usually eating herself then or talking and thus distracted anyway), if she ever started crying or screaming we'd remove her straight away meal eaten or no meal eaten.

You're responsible though, and it's people like you who are getting most put out by these bans and for whom I feel sorry. But there are people who aren't responsible and who don't teach manners to their child and who are obnoxious to others in the restaurant who get kids a bad rep and result in bans like this.

I actually wonder, if enough people actively complain to the staff about a particular table while they're there, would staff feel more inclined to be pro-active about removing people like that? Just a thought, as I think most people bottle it up, feel hard done by and don't go back.

MagicSean wrote: »

A certain hotel in Citywest did something similar about ten years ago. It never made the news. What's changed?

The overall sense of entitlement that everyone's little darlings should be allowed everywhere no matter how badly behaved they are. The same reason why more places are actually banning kids. People used to be able to assume that basic manners would be followed! Can't do that anymore!

Chorcai · 18-01-2013 12:51PM

Working in the trade and honestly, most of my worry is some kid who is running around the place, I'm holding hot food and it might fall on them or someone else. I also don't want to have to see some woman flashing about her tit becaues she is one of these I'll breastfeed in public if I so dam well want... pump it out and use a bottle ffs.

MurdyWurdy · 18-01-2013 12:51PM

krudler wrote: »

why would anyone look up a restaurants website before going there at lunchtime?

I usually do if I know I'm going somewhere for lunch/dinner to check the menu/location etc

xLexie · 18-01-2013 12:51PM

Some parents just expect superior treatment because they have brats in tow. Restaurants, shopping centre carparks. And what's hilarious altogether is "they're only a child" attitude when the parents are oblivious to the chaos their brat is causing and someone has to point it out.

AEDIC · 18-01-2013 12:52PM

krudler wrote: »

Ugh, I hate that attitude "ohhh when you have your own.." not everyone wants kids. I certainly don't. And its not a case of "ah you will when you get older" I'm a 31 year old male and have no desire to have kids.

Whoooooosh...........

Thats the irony of my post going straight over your head dude.... (winky indicator in original post)

Chill...it's Friday...relax

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 12:53PM

Nuttzz wrote: »

Im amazed at the amount of kids who cant sit at a table and eat properly, if people let their kids run around in restaurants and pubs then they can expect more of this

I'm more amazed at parents who 'train' their kids to sit down quietly at a restaurant table, without a tv/console in front of them.....

To be honest, I'd be sorry for those kids.

There are plenty of kid friendly restaurants out there.....in Dublin anyway. Captain America, Bobo, many Italian places, Govinda, Cornocopia to name a few.

Out of respect to your kids, and to other diners, parents should (imho) stick to these restaurants.....

snickerpuss · 18-01-2013 12:54PM

token101 wrote: »

Maybe even one of those high pitch sound deterrents.

I'm 26 and can hear those perfectly. There's a few petrol stations nearby I won't go to anymore because they have them outside. Pain in the arse

That might only work if they want to ban under 30s too.

Sofiztikated · 18-01-2013 12:55PM

black francis wrote: »

Doubt if a newborn baby was going to be doing much running around.

I'd like to see what specific H+S reasons they give as a basis for refusing entry to that young woman.

Hopfully she'll take a case against them - I suspect she'd win.

AH go away out of that. The owner made a decision to aim at a particular market. Why is that such a big deal?

hairyprincess wrote: »

I know a restaurant that has just one highchair as they don't want to encourage people to bring young children. And also they have a crap and very expensive kids menu.

There's also an adult only hotel somewhere in the country, damned if I can remember where though

Farnham Estate, in Cavan aim at an adult market. Kids allowed in the hotel, but the Spa is over 16's only. Keeps the spa & pool from turning into a kids club.

Why do people, and I mean in general, feel that they have a right to be allowed everywhere? You've got a kid in tow, don't go to this restaurant. There are people that will go to this restaurant simply because kids aren't allowed. No matter how "good" they are, and no matter how "well behaved" you think they are, same rules apply to all. Why? Because a blanket ban is easier to enforce than "Oh you're allowed because yours is quiet, but you have to leave because yours isn't."

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 12:56PM

Chorcai wrote: »

I also don't want to have to see some woman flashing about her tit becaues she is one of these I'll breastfeed in public if I so dam well want... pump it out and use a bottle ffs.

Wow......talk about intolerance right there. As if she was doing it just to annoy you......you really think you should be able to dictate to a parent how they should feed their newborns......

ffs indeed.

krudler · 18-01-2013 12:58PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'm more amazed at parents who 'train' their kids to sit down quietly at a restaurant table, without a tv/console in front of them.....

To be honest, I'd be sorry for those kids.

There are plenty of kid friendly restaurants out there.....in Dublin anyway. Captain America, Bobo, many Italian places, Govinda, Cornocopia to name a few.

Out of respect to your kids, and to other diners, parents should (imho) stick to these restaurants.....

Eh,why? to be taught to behave and not run around screaming like a banshee while people are trying to eat? Kids can be kids, but a time and place and all that.

18-01-2013 01:00PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'm more amazed at parents who 'train' their kids to sit down quietly at a restaurant table, without a tv/console in front of them.....

To be honest, I'd be sorry for those kids.

At what age? Should 12 year olds be incapable of shutting the **** up for a few hours? Seriously what are you on about? So you think that being able to eat a meal without screaming deserves sympathy but being left in front of the TV to switch off their brain is commendable?

Biggins · 18-01-2013 01:01PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I once saw a white woman with a toddler that was adopted and was Chinese.

I wonder if it'd be considered racist if they banned that baby.

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you know the toddler was adopted?

ejmaztec wrote: »

Yes, she could have just borrowed it for the day.

Chinese takeaway?

kylith · 18-01-2013 01:02PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'm more amazed at parents who 'train' their kids to sit down quietly at a restaurant table, without a tv/console in front of them.....

To be honest, I'd be sorry for those kids.

There are plenty of kid friendly restaurants out there.....in Dublin anyway. Captain America, Bobo, many Italian places, Govinda, Cornocopia to name a few.

Out of respect to your kids, and to other diners, parents should (imho) stick to these restaurants.....

Seriously? You feel bad for kids who have been raised to behave like respectable human beings? You feel sorry for them that the rest of the patrons look at them thinking 'What well behaved children, they're a credit to their parents?'

lazygal · 18-01-2013 01:02PM

Chorcai wrote: »

Working in the trade and honestly, most of my worry is some kid who is running around the place, I'm holding hot food and it might fall on them or someone else. I also don't want to have to see some woman flashing about her tit becaues she is one of these I'll breastfeed in public if I so dam well want... pump it out and use a bottle ffs.

Are you serious? I breastfed, and still am, baby is eight months. She's eating, what's your problem? Not every baby will take a bottle and there's research to show that some babies who are given bottle feeds can stop breastfeeding so it can lead to failure to maintain breastfeeding. Breastfed children cost the state less longer term. Fewer health problems, less prone to obesity and more likely to be a steady weight.

FYI you don't flash your tits when you're breastfeeding. You unhook your attractive nursing bra, and stick the baby on. Its a breast, not a tit, and its designed to feed a child. I didn't breastfeed in the local pub or in a restaurent in the evening but if I was out shopping or for a coffee and baby was hungry, baby was fed. Its ignorance like yours that contributes to the low rates of breastfeeding in Ireland. Nursing mothers are not flashing their tits, no matter how much you might like to think we want to show off stretchmarked breasts leaking milk. They are feeding their children.

MagicSean · 18-01-2013 01:03PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Wow......talk about intolerance right there. As if she was doing it just to annoy you......you really think you should be able to dictate to a parent how they should feed their newborns......

ffs indeed.

Be fair. What if he sees the boob and gets an erection? Do you know how embarassing that would be for him? You should be looking at all sides of an argument, no matter how ridiculous they are.

Mr Benevolent · 18-01-2013 01:03PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

So. That Childrens Rights referendum that was voted in.. Hows that coming along?

The right to throw a tantrum in restaurants wasn't mentioned in the referendum.

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 01:04PM

krudler wrote: »

Eh,why? to be taught to behave and not run around screaming like a banshee while people are trying to eat? Kids can be kids, but a time and place and all that.

"kids can be kids"

You said it, not me.

What does that mean.

Kids are naturally active and not inclined to sit in one place for a long period. Its how their bodies and minds work. Thats what they are.

And sometimes they get upset. They cry easily. Adults dont.

Now I've said, that to reflect that, parents should bring their kids to restaurants where they can be kids.

What is your problem with that?

You've also said "to be taught to behave". In other words to sit still and be quiet......in other words, trained to behave like they are not kids.

Yes I would feel sorry those kids.

You've said "kids can be kids"......but you dont want them to behave like kids......so which one is it.....they either can be kids, or they cant....

krudler · 18-01-2013 01:05PM

Chorcai wrote: »

Working in the trade and honestly, most of my worry is some kid who is running around the place, I'm holding hot food and it might fall on them or someone else. I also don't want to have to see some woman flashing about her tit becaues she is one of these I'll breastfeed in public if I so dam well want... pump it out and use a bottle ffs.

That's a whole other argument but I'd have no issue with a woman breastfeeding in public, and women don't generally just pop a tit out they're pretty discreet about it. screaming kids running around and a mother feeding a newborn are two completely different things.

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 01:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At what age? Should 12 year olds be incapable of shutting the **** up for a few hours? Seriously what are you on about? So you think that being able to eat a meal without screaming deserves sympathy but being left in front of the TV to switch off their brain is commendable?

Look.......when I make a point.....and someone responds with an answer that really has nothing to do with what I said....

i've read your answer twice but I really dont know what to say to you...

super_furry · 18-01-2013 01:07PM

There are plenty of family restaurants if you want to bring your children out for something to eat.

Sofiztikated · 18-01-2013 01:07PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

"kids can be kids"

You said it, not me.

What does that mean.

Kids are naturally active and not inclined to sit in one place for a long period. Its how their bodies and minds work. Thats what they are.

And sometimes they get upset. They cry easily. Adults dont.

Now I've said, that to reflect that, parents should bring their kids to restaurants where they can be kids.

What is your problem with that?

You've also said "to be taught to behave". In other words to sit still and be quiet......in other words, trained to behave like they are not kids.

Yes I would feel sorry those kids.

You've said "kids can be kids"......but you dont want them to behave like kids......so which one is it.....they either can be kids, or they cant....

There is also a thing called parenting. Whereby you teach you kids right, wrong, and rules on how to behave.

Unfortunately, this seems to have passed a lot of Irish people by.

Mal-Adjusted · 18-01-2013 01:09PM

If a restaurant is stupid enough to turn away paying customers in this day and age, I can't imagine them staying open much longer...

krudler · 18-01-2013 01:10PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

"kids can be kids"

You said it, not me.

What does that mean.

Kids are naturally active and not inclined to sit in one place for a long period. Its how their bodies and minds work. Thats what they are.

And sometimes they get upset. They cry easily. Adults dont.

Now I've said, that to reflect that, parents should bring their kids to restaurants where they can be kids.

What is your problem with that?

You've also said "to be taught to behave". In other words to sit still and be quiet......in other words, trained to behave like they are not kids.

Yes I would feel sorry those kids.

You've said "kids can be kids"......but you dont want them to behave like kids......so which one is it.....they either can be kids, or they cant....

Being let play and run and be kids when they're at home or whatever is fine, letting kids run around restaurants and cinemas and places where people have paid to be and not listen to other peoples unruly kids is different. If you went out for a meal you'd be happy as pie to have a toddler roaring and clambering around the place at the table beside you without the parents doing anything? didnt think so.

Here's a perfect example, I went to see Life of Pi a few weeks ago, and this dope brought two little girls, who couldn't have been more than 4 or 5 each to it, its a 2hr+ film about philosophy and religion, albeit with nice effects and animals, they spent most of the film stomping up and down the stairs and moving seats as their idiot father just sat there not saying anything, the two of them even went out of the cinema for about 10 minutes at one stage, completely unsupervised. So no only was he inconsiderate, he was reckless. but hey, they were just "being kids" right? "fcuk everyone else, my kids are great" is an attitude way too many parents have.

Killer Wench · 18-01-2013 01:16PM

I should move back to Ireland on this subject alone. There is a growing population of parents here who feel that their kids should be unrestricted and entitled to explore to their hearts content, eat where they want, attend movies at all times of night (and all types of rating), and if someone outside of the intervenes, they are a cruel heartless bastard that hates children. Personally, I am appalled at the breastfeeding where I want to craze. If you want to feed in public, fine, but move somewhere to discreetly do it. I know people who want to be able to breastfeed while standing in line during lunch time at Burger King; can't you send someone to get your order while you to a table? I have friends who are militant on this subject, but I keep my mouth shut but for an occasional comment here and there.

Anyway, I will support a restaurant that implements a ban on children during peak hours, any movie theater that says movies after 9pm are for adult patrons only, especially if that movie is rated R. Get a damn babysitter people; the kids will thank you for the few hours they don't have to see your face.

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