Restaurant bans children...

Gummy Panda · 18-01-2013 12:08PM

Going by previous threads this will turn into people without kids vs people with kids. Lines such as "You don't have kids so how could you understand.." will be used. The entitlement of both will be astonishing.

/grabs popcorn

xLexie · 18-01-2013 12:09PM

Not everybody finds the sound of a screaming child to be cute. Nobody is going to pay to sit somewhere to get a headache. Have no idea why parents bring small kids to restaurants for anyway.

hoodwinked · 18-01-2013 12:11PM

humanji wrote: »

At lunch time?

story on the radio there about someone at 6am this morning on the cork-dublin train drinking cider so yeah!

Death and Taxes · 18-01-2013 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They can refuse access to anyone, those acts only mention the reasons they can't refuse access. Massive difference.

your post makes no sense!

AEDIC · 18-01-2013 12:13PM

xLexie wrote: »

Not everybody finds the sound of a screaming child to be cute. Nobody is going to pay to sit somewhere to get a headache. Have no idea why parents bring small kids to restaurants for anyway.

You will when you get older and have some

Voted that they should be able to ban them... its up to the Restaurant who they serve and as long as its for an 'allowable' reason then drive on I say... there will be a Maccy D's somewhere close by for the nippers anyway...

Tombi! · 18-01-2013 12:13PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

your post makes no sense!

It does make sense.
I see it as: I can't refuse you access on the basis of your race but I can say that we don't let people in wearing your type of clothes.

Noffles · 18-01-2013 12:13PM

Brilliant idea, keep the buggy brigade elsewhere... and yes I have kids, all grown up now and I hated talking a pram to a coffee shop never mind a busy restaurant.. and if I could I / we never did it.

Hope to see this more often, then I'll know which one is baby / pram friendly and which one I'll actually enjoy

Deise Vu · 18-01-2013 12:14PM

I voted in favour even though I bring my kids to a restaurant every Sunday. There is no doubt a restaurant can turn into a creche which is great for parents but terrible for singletons (and some parents!). A restaurant should be able to make a commercial decision based on the what they think the balance of probabilities are: ie how many extra customers they will gain versus the number they are going to p-off forever.

One thing that would really annoy me though would be if you only found out after you got in the door. If I had found and paid for parking or maybe walked some distance to a restaurant only to be turned away I wouldn't take it too kindly.

The best of luck to them, not many restaurants can afford to turn away customers these days. I have a funny feeling it will bite him on the rear end eventually though.

Dodge · 18-01-2013 12:15PM

Not sure how this is news, loads of places don't let kids in. There's constantly threads in the parenting forum (etc) about restaurents that are family friendly and those who are not.

If a place doesn't want me and my money in, then I don't want to be there. Plenty of other options available (and thats as a dad with a young kid)

My only gripe is the 'famed nightclub owner' seeming to think he's making some sort of moral stand.

AEDIC · 18-01-2013 12:16PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

your post makes no sense!

Actually it does... You can refuse to serve anyone as long as you have a legit reason for doing it.

e.g. Chinese guy comes in after jogging (to steal/expand on an earlier example)

Sorry we cant serve you as you are chinese - WRONG

Sorry we cant serve you as you are a big sweaty mess - Probably ok...

Doom · 18-01-2013 12:17PM

davet82 wrote: »

I think this is pretty shítty but this would be music to some peoples ears that I know...

Could this be classed as discrimination or possibly ageist?

I'm going in there with a baby crying as my ring tone on my phone......turn it up loud and get lots of friends to ring me:P

token101 · 18-01-2013 12:18PM

Not sure if she should have been refused entry, but first sign of screaming/crying/acting the ****ing brat he should be able to turf them out no questions asked, not that any self respecting parent wouldn't leave anyway. He should just make it as unfriendly to kids as possible, no kids menu, no accommodations for kids, ie heating up milk or baby bowls, etc, no high chairs. Maybe even one of those high pitch sound deterrents.

Ficheall · 18-01-2013 12:18PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

its not fair that she would be turned away due to her age despite her exceptional behavior record.

How indignant would you be if they had to ask you to leave half-way through your meal, though?

Zebra3 · 18-01-2013 12:21PM

xLexie wrote: »

Have no idea why parents bring small kids to restaurants for anyway.

Because they are selfish c***s.

bobwilliams · 18-01-2013 12:21PM

hairyprincess wrote: »

I know a restaurant that has just one highchair as they don't want to encourage people to bring young children. And also they have a crap and very expensive kids menu.

There's also an adult only hotel somewhere in the country, damned if I can remember where though

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I think that might be Monarth in Wexford,near Bunclody

Atomic Pineapple · 18-01-2013 12:22PM

token101 wrote: »

Not sure if she should have been refused entry, but first sign of screaming/crying/acting the ****ing brat he should be able to turf them out no questions asked, not that any self respecting parent wouldn't leave anyway. He should just make it as unfriendly to kids as possible, no kids menu, no accommodations for kids, ie heating up milk or baby bowls, etc, no high chairs. Maybe even one of those high pitch sound deterrents.

Agreed. People who allow their kids to run around, shout, scream, be noisy, bang the tables, cause a fuss should be immediately asked to leave. I've been in two many restaurants where there is a nice relaxed atmosphere ruined my some parents who can't control their screaming kid and are ignorant to the people trying to have a nice meal around them.

A ban on children may not be the best solution as no one should have a problem with children who behave, but ones that don't should be asked to leave and refused further service, it would be a good thing if this became the norm and acceptable, especially in non family orientated restaurants.

Tombi! · 18-01-2013 12:22PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Because they are selfish c***s.

You're joking, right?

hoodwinked · 18-01-2013 12:24PM

Ficheall wrote: »

How indignant would you be if they had to ask you to leave half-way through your meal, though?

i wouldn't know it has never happened, if ever she misbehaved when younger we nipped it in the bud straight away before she would even cry, she's grown up knowing you talk quietly and behave in certain places (likewise when she gets to the playground she goes mad running around squealing) and has never ever given us a reason to take her outside during a meal (shes usually eating herself then or talking and thus distracted anyway), if she ever started crying or screaming we'd remove her straight away meal eaten or no meal eaten.

BizzyC · 18-01-2013 12:26PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

No they dont, I suggest you read the Equality acts which phrohibits discrimination in access to services on a wide number of grounds.

Yes they can.
They can flat out refuse you access to their service for whatever reason they want.

As long as they don't provide a discriminatory explanation they're safe from that act.

suicide_circus · 18-01-2013 12:26PM

http://www.bellucci.ie/

look at the website, it's not a baby friendly establishment, children are an essential part of life, not of lunch,

MagicSean · 18-01-2013 12:28PM

A certain hotel in Citywest did something similar about ten years ago. It never made the news. What's changed?

lazygal · 18-01-2013 12:29PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Going by previous threads this will turn into people without kids vs people with kids. Lines such as "You don't have kids so how could you understand.." will be used. The entitlement of both will be astonishing.

/grabs popcorn

I have a kid and don't expect to be accommodated everywhere. Some parents have cop on and know not everyone loves kids there when they want a meal out.

18-01-2013 12:31PM

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

your post makes no sense!

Seems like at least one other person got it.

bullvine · 18-01-2013 12:31PM

Is it any different to people bringing babies to funerals, f**king does my head in.

No consideration for the people around them.

Kids are like farts, you can only love your own!

MagicSean · 18-01-2013 12:36PM

BizzyC wrote: »

Yes they can.
They can flat out refuse you access to their service for whatever reason they want.

As long as they don't provide a discriminatory explanation they're safe from that act.

No they aren't. It's their actual grounds for refusal that matters.

hoodwinked · 18-01-2013 12:36PM

bullvine wrote: »

Is it any different to people bringing babies to funerals, f**king does my head in.

No consideration for the people around them.

Kids are like farts, you can only love your own!

Yeah how dare that mother bring her baby to her mothers funeral.....

she should have gotten her sister or brother to baby sit......

oh wait...:rolleyes:

miss no stars · 18-01-2013 12:39PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Deal with them on a one to one basis as the situation arrives rather than a blanket ban. Just like you do with a other customers.
My kids know exactly how to behave in a pubic place. Not all adults do

I get where you're coming from. As a kid I was often brought out to dinner and well knew how to behave in a restaurant from a young age. My younger brother hated being told to sit still and screamed the place down so he just wasn't brought out. Simple as. Or if we were out and stopped to get food and he started acting up (I will say this is when he was up to 24 months, so a toddler more than a child) one parent would leave with him while we finished our food. Once he got older he got used to behaving and was allowed to come out for dinner.

The restaurant we used to go to was known for being child friendly, but it was the kind of place where everyone went. Then something happened, some sort of sense of entitlement that parents got. The "yes my child is screaming/running around/fighting with my other kid/getting sick but I've ordered food and want to eat it so you'll just have to put up with it" entitlement. It's that maybe a minority, but a significant enough minority, of parents just don't demonstrate any consideration for others.

That restaurant we used to go to, it retained its child friendly stance, even though kids were getting brattier and noisier. That restaurant is now known for being a place you only ever go to if you're bringing your own screamers. They're also in dire straits financially and empty after 8pm, whereas they used to be hopping with people from 5pm-12am every day of the week. I reckon with most places it comes down to the bottom line - kids drive people who will spend more away from the place.

I actually don't think the majority of kids and parents are the problem. It's just a growing minority and I think a lot of restaurants have been burned by it. Most kids in nice restaurants behave perfectly, but it's the one that's allowed roam free and keeps knocking off the back of other customers' chairs, knocks a glass of wine, won't sit still. People remember that kid and not the 5 sitting quietly with their families eating properly. Which is fair - that kid ruined their nice meal. Or the pushy parent with the not-so-miniature-battle-tank of a buggy who brings it into the restaurant and happens to sit at the table next to you, leaving the buggy practically on your table.

Banning kids is like a guarantee for people booking a special meal - your meal won't be ruined by someone else's ignorance!

ITS_A_BADGER · 18-01-2013 12:39PM

bullvine wrote: »

Is it any different to people bringing babies to funerals, f**king does my head in.

No consideration for the people around them.

wow, just wow

krudler · 18-01-2013 12:39PM

lazygal wrote: »

I have a kid and don't expect to be accommodated everywhere. Some parents have cop on and know not everyone loves kids there when they want a meal out.

You're all sensible, pity more parents aren't.

krudler · 18-01-2013 12:41PM

AEDIC wrote: »

You will when you get older and have some

Voted that they should be able to ban them... its up to the Restaurant who they serve and as long as its for an 'allowable' reason then drive on I say... there will be a Maccy D's somewhere close by for the nippers anyway...

Ugh, I hate that attitude "ohhh when you have your own.." not everyone wants kids. I certainly don't. And its not a case of "ah you will when you get older" I'm a 31 year old male and have no desire to have kids.

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