Self employed

Muckit · 16-01-2013 11:25PM #1

3 cheers for the self employed. I really have to take my hat off to them. All that investment, perhaps even create jobs and after all that hassle only gain at best a modest wage. If it all goes t*ts up, there's no safety net, your on your own...

srsly78 · 16-01-2013 11:26PM

Thanks bro, hope you don't mind if I claim loads of expenses to compensate.

dj jarvis · 16-01-2013 11:27PM

srsly78 wrote: »

Thanks bro, hope you don't mind if I claim loads of expenses to compensate.

what expenses would they be ?

Tiddlypeeps · 16-01-2013 11:30PM

EDIT: I retract my comment because apparently I'm no good at sarcasm

imnothim · 16-01-2013 11:33PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

They only deserve praise if they are struggling to get by or if they have failed.

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

Where To · 16-01-2013 11:33PM

They say self praise is no praise, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saZQuAkhyno

Senna · 16-01-2013 11:34PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

FFS, if you're successfully you're sum:rolleyes:

There's not enough :rolleyes: in the world for a mentality like yours.

Where To · 16-01-2013 11:34PM

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

You must be new here.:pac:

sfwcork · 16-01-2013 11:36PM

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

Ah i love these newbies.all innocent

kneemos · 16-01-2013 11:37PM

It's a myth that they can't get the dole,they can get means tested welfare assistance.

galwayrush · 16-01-2013 11:38PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

They only deserve praise if they are struggling to get by or if they have failed.

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

:pac::pac::pac: Failure and struggling are good, Success is wrong......
Please tell us what you do yourself in the small chance it might shed some light on that 'amazing ' :rolleyes: comment...

TeddyTedson · 16-01-2013 11:38PM

I'd be very reluctant to be self employed in this country.
Small business seem to be getting screwed the most in this country.
We're going to see many more shutting down until something changes.

So when are we going to start rioting?

3ndahalfof6 · 16-01-2013 11:39PM

Tis life, people like this will try and try again, most of them will become winners while it might take 3-10 years of getting it right, to become self employed is not for the faint hearted, it can be turn out bad and destroy some people,

my take on it is if you never give it a go you will never know, the most important thing is to try to protect yourself as much as possible but never be afraid to take the next step,

if the next step will take you under, you just do not take it, and move on to your next project with more experience and understanding, most of all understanding if you create the right situation and get the right breakes it will work out in the end,

not always but for the ones who know when to bow out and move on to their next idea, these are the self employed who can become successful, if even only to support themselves and their familys while maybe helping other people to get back to work,

never let the person who takes the chance to go self employed be underestimated.

galwayrush · 16-01-2013 11:40PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's a myth that they can't get the dole,they can get means tested welfare assistance.

Hahaha, yes, ever tried it as a self employed person.
First off, we need a couple of grand for accounts to prove we have no money.

dj jarvis · 16-01-2013 11:41PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's a myth that they can't get the dole,they can get means tested welfare assistance.

some can , my lucky mate who is self employed had to wait 9 months to be told he was getting 30 euro a week , this guy is 50 and has worked hard for decades

this policy is retarded

sfwcork · 16-01-2013 11:42PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd be very reluctant to be self employed in this country.
Small business seem to be getting screwed the most in this country.
We're going to see many more shutting down until something changes.

So when are we going to start rioting?

When you free

Tiddlypeeps · 16-01-2013 11:43PM

Senna wrote: »

FFS, if you're successfully you're sum:rolleyes:

There's not enough :rolleyes: in the world for a mentality like yours.

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: Failure and struggling are good, Success is wrong......
Please tell us what you do yourself in the small chance it might shed some light on that 'amazing ' :rolleyes: comment...

LOL! It was a joke ffs. Just making light of the fact that Irish people have this lovely view of up and coming entrepreneurs, but anybody that has made their wealth is seen as the source of all that is wrong with this country.

jd007 · 16-01-2013 11:44PM

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

Senna wrote: »

FFS, if you're successfully you're sum:rolleyes:

There's not enough :rolleyes: in the world for a mentality like yours.

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: Failure and struggling are good, Success is wrong......
Please tell us what you do yourself in the small chance it might shed some light on that 'amazing ' :rolleyes: comment...

Successful troll is successful

MrStuffins · 16-01-2013 11:45PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

They only deserve praise if they are struggling to get by or if they have failed.

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

I just came to after knocking myself out facepalming too hard!

Senna · 16-01-2013 11:47PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

LOL! It was a joke ffs. Just making light of the fact that Irish people have this lovely view of up and coming entrepreneurs, but anybody that has made their wealth is seen as the source of all that is wrong with this country.

Beep beep beep beep beep beep
Watch out, i'm doing some serious backing up.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-01-2013 11:48PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

some can , my lucky mate who is self employed had to wait 9 months to be told he was getting 30 euro a week , this guy is 50 and has worked hard for decades

this policy is retarded

The State hates the self employed

we are just tax collectors for them and if it goes t1ts up we are thrown to the wolves

galwayrush · 16-01-2013 11:53PM

Last year, after the first 6 months, my total income was less than 500 euro. I looked for assistance, guy finally came to access me after 3 months and looked for more accounts, details, all of which cost money i didn't have. I just gave up, which was probably what the welfare people wanted in the first place.

I employed 6 people at one stage, between various taxes. VAT, i was paying in excess of 10 K per month to the revenue for almost 8 years. In this country, that counts for nothing when you need help.
A lot of customers defaulted , income dried up, but yet, the revenue wanted 100% despite me not having it. They will get it any way they can, even if it means sending in a bailiff to steal your possessions, assets that you have already paid for through hard earned money after paying enormous tax on it throught the years.

Lesson learned, never employ anyone again.

Pottler · 16-01-2013 11:57PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

EDIT: I retract my comment because apparently I'm no good at sarcasm

I'm self employed. Every day I get up and have to make money for at least eleven families, my own and ten others. A weeks wages for just me is a doddle, do it in my sleep tbh. A weeks wages for the eleven of us, that's a diferent level, plus the Taxes, the fuel, the expenses, the vehicles.

More people should try it, they might have a different view of the self employed. And it's not just this week and last week, it's every week. I need to make 35,000 euro a month to pay the wages. Just the wages. All the other bills come on top of that. In return, I get paid xxk a year. Yep, xxk. There's my number. I'm the worst paid. I'd be better off in bed, tbh, but then ten men with families would be on the dole, so I plough on. It's so much fun being self employed. More should try it. If I fail, I get nothing but a tax demand and a load more bills. I'm waiting for my fcuking medal, but I doubt I'll get it in this life..I'll just get another bill. To be brutally honest, I only post on boards to alleviate the grinding, utter, daily stress, it's hard to stress when you're messing.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-01-2013 11:59PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Last year, after the first 6 months, my total income was less than 500 euro. I looked for assistance, guy finally came to access me after 3 months and looked for more accounts, details, all of which cost money i didn't have. I just gave up, which was probably what the welfare people wanted in the first place.

I employed 6 people at one stage, between various taxes. VAT, i was paying in excess of 10 K per month to the revenue for almost 8 years. In this country, that counts for nothing when you need help.
A lot of customers defaulted , income dried up, but yet, the revenue wanted 100% despite me not having it. They will get it any way they can, even if it means sending in a bailiff to steal your possessions, assets that you have already paid for through hard earned money after paying enormous tax on it throught the years.

Lesson learned, never employ anyone again.

And what happened when those six were let go?

188 into their hand within a few weeks while you have the Sheriff banging down the door

Its perverse:mad:

3ndahalfof6 · 17-01-2013 12:02AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The State hates the self employed

we are just tax collectors for them and if it goes t1ts up we are thrown to the wolves

This can be true and if it happens, well maybe they were not cut out for it, self employed people deal with employed people, never give up never back down you will get a result, it might take time but your motivation is way stronger than theirs,

I have been there and I know from experience if I do not back down I will win, employed people will wear down so much quicker than the self employed person (most of them do not realize this) and rather than keep listening to you explaining why they do not see the big picture they tend to accept you are honest trying to be self sufficient.

galwayrush · 17-01-2013 12:04AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

And what happened when those six were let go?

188 into their hand within a few weeks while you have the Sheriff banging down the door

Its perverse:mad:

Exactly.
Some faceless bitch in a certain office in Limerick told the Sheriff to leave me with 4 empty walls...Says it all really.

No ****ing was was that going to happen.;)

Tiddlypeeps · 17-01-2013 12:06AM

Pottler wrote: »

I'm self employed. Every day I get up and have to make money for at least eleven families, my own and ten others. A weeks wages for just me is a doddle, do it in my sleep tbh. A weeks wages for the eleven of us, that's a diferent level, plus the Taxes, the fuel, the expenses, the vehicles.

More people should try it, they might have a different view of the self employed. And it's not just this week and last week, it's every week. I need to make 35,000 euro a month to pay the wages. Just the wages. All the other bills come on top of that. In return, I get paid xxk a year. Yep, xxk. There's my number. I'm the worst paid. I'd be better off in bed, tbh, but then ten men with families would be on the dole, so I plough on. It's so much fun being self employed. More should try it. If I fail, I get nothing but a tax demand and a load more bills. I'm waiting for my fcuking medal, but I doubt I'll get it in this life..I'll just get another bill.

I am also self employed, very early days tho so I'm not supporting any staff yet and I commend you.

My comment was a joke (apparently a bad one), I assumed my comment was so preposterous that people would pick up that it was a joke. They didn't so I removed it so as not to cause any further offense to people like yourself.

I was making fun of the fact that Irish people have a tendency to demonise successful entrepreneurs in this country and blame them for the recession we are in now.

dj jarvis · 17-01-2013 12:07AM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

This can be true and if it happens, well maybe they were not cut out for it, self employed people deal with employed people, never give up never back down you will get a result, it might take time but your motivation is way stronger than theirs,

I have been there and I know from experience if I do not back down I will win, employed people will wear down so much quicker than the self employed person (most of them do not realize this) and rather than keep listening to you explaining why they do not see the big picture they tend to accept you are honest trying to be self sufficient.

problem with that is this
knowing when to stop is the trick , its not giving up , its being realistic

TeddyTedson · 17-01-2013 12:10AM

sfwcork wrote: »

When you free

Most weekends. I usually go out on Fridays and/or Saturdays so send me a PM when we've a date set.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-01-2013 12:10AM

galwayrush wrote: »

Exactly.
Some faceless bitch in a certain office in Limerick told the Sheriff to leave me with 4 empty walls...Says it all really.

No ****ing was was that going to happen.;)

I dont know how some of those fcukers sleep at night

Tiddlypeeps · 17-01-2013 12:15AM

galwayrush wrote: »

Last year, after the first 6 months, my total income was less than 500 euro. I looked for assistance, guy finally came to access me after 3 months and looked for more accounts, details, all of which cost money i didn't have. I just gave up, which was probably what the welfare people wanted in the first place.

I employed 6 people at one stage, between various taxes. VAT, i was paying in excess of 10 K per month to the revenue for almost 8 years. In this country, that counts for nothing when you need help.
A lot of customers defaulted , income dried up, but yet, the revenue wanted 100% despite me not having it. They will get it any way they can, even if it means sending in a bailiff to steal your possessions, assets that you have already paid for through hard earned money after paying enormous tax on it throught the years.

Lesson learned, never employ anyone again.

I honestly can't think of a single logical reason why a self employed person who shuts up shop isn't as entitled to jobseekers allowance as anybody else.

I can understand not qualifying for jobseekers benefit if they didn't pay PRSI, I don't necessarily agree with it but I understand at least. But why in the hell they can't claim jobseekers allowance is a mystery to me, it's means tested so they can find out if the person is hoarding millions away or if they genuinely need assistance. It's baffling

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