Self employed

Muckit

3 cheers for the self employed. I really have to take my hat off to them. All that investment, perhaps even create jobs and after all that hassle only gain at best a modest wage. If it all goes t*ts up, there's no safety net, your on your own...

srsly78

Thanks bro, hope you don't mind if I claim loads of expenses to compensate.

dj jarvis

srsly78 wrote: »

Thanks bro, hope you don't mind if I claim loads of expenses to compensate.

what expenses would they be ?

Tiddlypeeps

EDIT: I retract my comment because apparently I'm no good at sarcasm

imnothim

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

They only deserve praise if they are struggling to get by or if they have failed.

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

Where To

They say self praise is no praise, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saZQuAkhyno

Senna

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

FFS, if you're successfully you're sum:rolleyes:

There's not enough :rolleyes: in the world for a mentality like yours.

Where To

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

You must be new here.:pac:

sfwcork

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

Ah i love these newbies.all innocent

kneemos

It's a myth that they can't get the dole,they can get means tested welfare assistance.

galwayrush

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

They only deserve praise if they are struggling to get by or if they have failed.

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

:pac::pac::pac: Failure and struggling are good, Success is wrong......
Please tell us what you do yourself in the small chance it might shed some light on that 'amazing ' :rolleyes: comment...

TeddyTedson

I'd be very reluctant to be self employed in this country.
Small business seem to be getting screwed the most in this country.
We're going to see many more shutting down until something changes.

So when are we going to start rioting?

3ndahalfof6

Tis life, people like this will try and try again, most of them will become winners while it might take 3-10 years of getting it right, to become self employed is not for the faint hearted, it can be turn out bad and destroy some people,

my take on it is if you never give it a go you will never know, the most important thing is to try to protect yourself as much as possible but never be afraid to take the next step,

if the next step will take you under, you just do not take it, and move on to your next project with more experience and understanding, most of all understanding if you create the right situation and get the right breakes it will work out in the end,

not always but for the ones who know when to bow out and move on to their next idea, these are the self employed who can become successful, if even only to support themselves and their familys while maybe helping other people to get back to work,

never let the person who takes the chance to go self employed be underestimated.

galwayrush

kneemos wrote: »

It's a myth that they can't get the dole,they can get means tested welfare assistance.

Hahaha, yes, ever tried it as a self employed person.
First off, we need a couple of grand for accounts to prove we have no money.

dj jarvis

kneemos wrote: »

It's a myth that they can't get the dole,they can get means tested welfare assistance.

some can , my lucky mate who is self employed had to wait 9 months to be told he was getting 30 euro a week , this guy is 50 and has worked hard for decades

this policy is retarded

sfwcork

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd be very reluctant to be self employed in this country.
Small business seem to be getting screwed the most in this country.
We're going to see many more shutting down until something changes.

So when are we going to start rioting?

When you free

Tiddlypeeps

Senna wrote: »

FFS, if you're successfully you're sum:rolleyes:

There's not enough :rolleyes: in the world for a mentality like yours.

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: Failure and struggling are good, Success is wrong......
Please tell us what you do yourself in the small chance it might shed some light on that 'amazing ' :rolleyes: comment...

LOL! It was a joke ffs. Just making light of the fact that Irish people have this lovely view of up and coming entrepreneurs, but anybody that has made their wealth is seen as the source of all that is wrong with this country.

jd007

imnothim wrote: »

that is the stupidest thing iv ever seen written.

Senna wrote: »

FFS, if you're successfully you're sum:rolleyes:

There's not enough :rolleyes: in the world for a mentality like yours.

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: Failure and struggling are good, Success is wrong......
Please tell us what you do yourself in the small chance it might shed some light on that 'amazing ' :rolleyes: comment...

Successful troll is successful

MrStuffins

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

They only deserve praise if they are struggling to get by or if they have failed.

The ones who succeed are the money grubbing elite and they should be scourged like the scum of the earth that they are!

I just came to after knocking myself out facepalming too hard!

Senna

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

LOL! It was a joke ffs. Just making light of the fact that Irish people have this lovely view of up and coming entrepreneurs, but anybody that has made their wealth is seen as the source of all that is wrong with this country.

Beep beep beep beep beep beep
Watch out, i'm doing some serious backing up.

SEPT 23 1989

dj jarvis wrote: »

some can , my lucky mate who is self employed had to wait 9 months to be told he was getting 30 euro a week , this guy is 50 and has worked hard for decades

this policy is retarded

The State hates the self employed

we are just tax collectors for them and if it goes t1ts up we are thrown to the wolves

galwayrush

Last year, after the first 6 months, my total income was less than 500 euro. I looked for assistance, guy finally came to access me after 3 months and looked for more accounts, details, all of which cost money i didn't have. I just gave up, which was probably what the welfare people wanted in the first place.

I employed 6 people at one stage, between various taxes. VAT, i was paying in excess of 10 K per month to the revenue for almost 8 years. In this country, that counts for nothing when you need help.
A lot of customers defaulted , income dried up, but yet, the revenue wanted 100% despite me not having it. They will get it any way they can, even if it means sending in a bailiff to steal your possessions, assets that you have already paid for through hard earned money after paying enormous tax on it throught the years.

Lesson learned, never employ anyone again.

Pottler

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

EDIT: I retract my comment because apparently I'm no good at sarcasm

I'm self employed. Every day I get up and have to make money for at least eleven families, my own and ten others. A weeks wages for just me is a doddle, do it in my sleep tbh. A weeks wages for the eleven of us, that's a diferent level, plus the Taxes, the fuel, the expenses, the vehicles.

More people should try it, they might have a different view of the self employed. And it's not just this week and last week, it's every week. I need to make 35,000 euro a month to pay the wages. Just the wages. All the other bills come on top of that. In return, I get paid xxk a year. Yep, xxk. There's my number. I'm the worst paid. I'd be better off in bed, tbh, but then ten men with families would be on the dole, so I plough on. It's so much fun being self employed. More should try it. If I fail, I get nothing but a tax demand and a load more bills. I'm waiting for my fcuking medal, but I doubt I'll get it in this life..I'll just get another bill. To be brutally honest, I only post on boards to alleviate the grinding, utter, daily stress, it's hard to stress when you're messing.

SEPT 23 1989

galwayrush wrote: »

Last year, after the first 6 months, my total income was less than 500 euro. I looked for assistance, guy finally came to access me after 3 months and looked for more accounts, details, all of which cost money i didn't have. I just gave up, which was probably what the welfare people wanted in the first place.

I employed 6 people at one stage, between various taxes. VAT, i was paying in excess of 10 K per month to the revenue for almost 8 years. In this country, that counts for nothing when you need help.
A lot of customers defaulted , income dried up, but yet, the revenue wanted 100% despite me not having it. They will get it any way they can, even if it means sending in a bailiff to steal your possessions, assets that you have already paid for through hard earned money after paying enormous tax on it throught the years.

Lesson learned, never employ anyone again.

And what happened when those six were let go?

188 into their hand within a few weeks while you have the Sheriff banging down the door

Its perverse:mad:

3ndahalfof6

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The State hates the self employed

we are just tax collectors for them and if it goes t1ts up we are thrown to the wolves

This can be true and if it happens, well maybe they were not cut out for it, self employed people deal with employed people, never give up never back down you will get a result, it might take time but your motivation is way stronger than theirs,

I have been there and I know from experience if I do not back down I will win, employed people will wear down so much quicker than the self employed person (most of them do not realize this) and rather than keep listening to you explaining why they do not see the big picture they tend to accept you are honest trying to be self sufficient.

galwayrush

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

And what happened when those six were let go?

188 into their hand within a few weeks while you have the Sheriff banging down the door

Its perverse:mad:

Exactly.
Some faceless bitch in a certain office in Limerick told the Sheriff to leave me with 4 empty walls...Says it all really.

No ****ing was was that going to happen.;)

Tiddlypeeps

Pottler wrote: »

I'm self employed. Every day I get up and have to make money for at least eleven families, my own and ten others. A weeks wages for just me is a doddle, do it in my sleep tbh. A weeks wages for the eleven of us, that's a diferent level, plus the Taxes, the fuel, the expenses, the vehicles.

More people should try it, they might have a different view of the self employed. And it's not just this week and last week, it's every week. I need to make 35,000 euro a month to pay the wages. Just the wages. All the other bills come on top of that. In return, I get paid xxk a year. Yep, xxk. There's my number. I'm the worst paid. I'd be better off in bed, tbh, but then ten men with families would be on the dole, so I plough on. It's so much fun being self employed. More should try it. If I fail, I get nothing but a tax demand and a load more bills. I'm waiting for my fcuking medal, but I doubt I'll get it in this life..I'll just get another bill.

I am also self employed, very early days tho so I'm not supporting any staff yet and I commend you.

My comment was a joke (apparently a bad one), I assumed my comment was so preposterous that people would pick up that it was a joke. They didn't so I removed it so as not to cause any further offense to people like yourself.

I was making fun of the fact that Irish people have a tendency to demonise successful entrepreneurs in this country and blame them for the recession we are in now.

dj jarvis

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

This can be true and if it happens, well maybe they were not cut out for it, self employed people deal with employed people, never give up never back down you will get a result, it might take time but your motivation is way stronger than theirs,

I have been there and I know from experience if I do not back down I will win, employed people will wear down so much quicker than the self employed person (most of them do not realize this) and rather than keep listening to you explaining why they do not see the big picture they tend to accept you are honest trying to be self sufficient.

problem with that is this
knowing when to stop is the trick , its not giving up , its being realistic

TeddyTedson

sfwcork wrote: »

When you free

Most weekends. I usually go out on Fridays and/or Saturdays so send me a PM when we've a date set.

SEPT 23 1989

galwayrush wrote: »

Exactly.
Some faceless bitch in a certain office in Limerick told the Sheriff to leave me with 4 empty walls...Says it all really.

No ****ing was was that going to happen.;)

I dont know how some of those fcukers sleep at night

Tiddlypeeps

galwayrush wrote: »

Last year, after the first 6 months, my total income was less than 500 euro. I looked for assistance, guy finally came to access me after 3 months and looked for more accounts, details, all of which cost money i didn't have. I just gave up, which was probably what the welfare people wanted in the first place.

I employed 6 people at one stage, between various taxes. VAT, i was paying in excess of 10 K per month to the revenue for almost 8 years. In this country, that counts for nothing when you need help.
A lot of customers defaulted , income dried up, but yet, the revenue wanted 100% despite me not having it. They will get it any way they can, even if it means sending in a bailiff to steal your possessions, assets that you have already paid for through hard earned money after paying enormous tax on it throught the years.

Lesson learned, never employ anyone again.

I honestly can't think of a single logical reason why a self employed person who shuts up shop isn't as entitled to jobseekers allowance as anybody else.

I can understand not qualifying for jobseekers benefit if they didn't pay PRSI, I don't necessarily agree with it but I understand at least. But why in the hell they can't claim jobseekers allowance is a mystery to me, it's means tested so they can find out if the person is hoarding millions away or if they genuinely need assistance. It's baffling

Pottler

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I am also self employed, very early days tho so I'm not supporting any staff yet and I commend you.

My comment was a joke (apparently a bad one), I assumed my comment was so preposterous that people would pick up that it was a joke. They didn't so I removed it so as not to cause any further offense to people like yourself.

I was making fun of the fact that Irish people have a tendency to demonise successful entrepreneurs in this country and blame them for the recession we are in now.

I took your post as a joke and thanked it, I reckoned you were ripping the pi55. I'm a very mentally tough person, pretty much case hardened at this stage, but the last two years have been very tough and pressured - an awful lot of other small-scale self employed people I knew well have fallen by the wayside, some succomed to suicide, some emigrated and others turned to drink etc. I'm a workhorse, always was, and a total survivor, but really, lately, I ask myself why the hell I accept the level of pressure and grief I accept as normal as being normal. It isn't, really. I've a PRSI bill for 17k sitting here next to me, and I'll pay it, but if I needed a safety net of welfare, I've none. Hardly fair or just, IMO.

galwayrush

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I dont know how some of those fcukers sleep at night

Her guarenteed monthly salary with increments and a pension plan and a host of other benefits probably help.

dj jarvis

i was told by a SW counter worker that becasue i am self employed, all i am entitled to is widowers benefit and maternity benefit - as a man i was delighted.
i had just handed her 10 years of tax clearance certs , totally paid up.

i had also just told her, i had to stop work due to the massive heart attack i had had 12 day earlier. 2 kids , wife and mortgage , and told to **** off

they really are heartless bastards , and the irony is , im surrounded by family's that have never worked or contributed anything ,
i really have to ask myself , whats the point ?
no wonder people that can, are leaving

TeddyTedson

We've screwed our own people to save the banks.

Many people have a lot of personal debt, high mortgages, ect.
Why should we also be the ones to inherit a gigantic bank debt?

Why do self employed people not receive job seekers benefit?

I really think they need to make another tax bracket for people on over 100k.
It happened in the 80s (I forget the actually cut off point, was it about 60K?), and we're a lot worse off now.

With all this happening and many self employed struggling we have unions refusing to give an inch.

Pottler

galwayrush wrote: »

Her guarenteed monthly salary with increments and a pension plan and a host of other benefits probably help.

My SIL works for the state, and his life is so much easier than mine, it's like another world. Utterly. I don't resent that, I just kick myself for not taking a state job when I was younger. It is a way smarter move, tbh.

Where To

Pottler wrote: »

My SIL works for the state, and his life is so much easier than mine, it's like another world. Utterly.

Would you swap though? I sure as hell wouldn't, I ****ing hate routines.

SEPT 23 1989

Pottler wrote: »

My SIL works for the state, and his life is so much easier than mine, it's like another world. Utterly. I don't resent that, I just kick myself for not taking a state job when I was younger. It is a way smarter move, tbh.

People like us would go insane in that system

dj jarvis

in Finland , they have a union for self employed people
once you sign up and pay in for 25 weeks , you can avail of help from the union

this includes 80% of your av monthly PROFIT , and while getting this, avail of 2 years up skill program to gain more work , and in turn pay back into the system

this so progressive it hurts my head - it is the way to do things.
we have a similar population - GDP is very similar , why cant we do things like this? why are we so retarded , that we cant come up with socially progressive policy's ?

Pottler

Where To wrote: »

Would you swap though? I sure as hell wouldn't, I ****ing hate routines.

There's the rub, I do too, but he has about the coolest job going, little/zero pressure and a great wage and lifestyle. I'm so knackered when I finally get home, there's nothing left. It used to be fun, but it got out of hand! The best joke of all is I'm really busy, really really busy, so I get to listen to every second person telling me how lucky I am and how great that is. Hmmm. I wonder how great they'd find it if they walked a mile in my shoes..

TeddyTedson

I often wonder when I see the likes of the front line (I try to avoid it because I'm bombarded by politics daily now it seems) do politicians actually give a **** about the people. I'd say a majority don't. Many have been involved for far too long and are rich, reluctant to take any cuts themselves and from what I gather deluded.

They're surrounded by puppets. When I see a party together celebrating or laughing and joking in the Dáil, it makes me want to puke.
I saw Pat Rabbit recently on the front line, "Very angry and upset".
He won't be winning an Oscar any time soon, that's for sure.

I'd also love to see Corporation tax go up by 1%. I'd love to know what sort of revenue that could take in. I can't envisage any companies pulling out of Ireland for such a small increase. Surely it would be bad PR on their behalf also if they were to blame it on a 1% increase. Then again I don't know the first thing about Business, I'm just giving my 2 cents worth, which is probably worth a whole lot less than I can imagine.

**** you FF, you've driven about half of my friends out of the country already with the mess you created.

tan11ie

dj jarvis wrote: »

i was told by a SW counter worker that becasue i am self employed, all i am entitled to is widowers benefit and maternity benefit - as a man i was delighted.
i had just handed her 10 years of tax clearance certs , totally paid up.

i had also just told her, i had to stop work due to the massive heart attack i had had 12 day earlier. 2 kids , wife and mortgage , and told to **** off
Absolute joke!

they really are heartless bastards , and the irony is , im surrounded by family's that have never worked or contributed anything ,
i really have to ask myself , whats the point ?
no wonder people that can, are leaving

I've been asking myself the same question of late, If I'd have left school at 18 and had a kid I'd have better support...and maybe a stress free life to boot.:pac:

dj jarvis

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I often wonder when I see the likes of the front line (I try to avoid it because I'm bombarded by politics daily now it seems) do politicians actually give a **** about the people. I'd say a majority don't. Many have been involved for far too long and are rich, reluctant to take any cuts themselves and from what I gather deluded.

They're surrounded by puppets. When I see a party together celebrating or laughing and joking in the Dáil, it makes me want to puke.
I saw Pat Rabbit recently on the front line, "Very angry and upset".
He won't be winning an Oscar any time soon, that's for sure.

I'd also love to see Corporation tax go up by 1%. I'd love to know what sort of revenue that could take in. I can't envisage any companies pulling out of Ireland for such a small increase. Surely it would be bad PR on their behalf also if they were to blame it on a 1% increase. Then again I don't know the first thing about Business, I'm just giving my 2 cents worth, which is probably worth a whole lot less than I can imagine.

**** you FF, you've driven about half of my friends out of the country already with the mess you created.

+1

how in gods name are those gangsters going up in the polls ?
that is why we cant get ahead , we have a electorate, that in fairness a good lot of them should not be allowed drive , let alone vote

uberalles

Does Ireland treat its self employed the worst in Europe?
How do other countries compare ?

Doc Ruby

Pottler wrote: »

- an awful lot of other small-scale self employed people I knew well have fallen by the wayside, some succomed to suicide, some emigrated and others turned to drink etc.

I've seen all of these recently among the self employed.

dj jarvis

[QUOTE=Doc Ruby;82728745]I've seen all of these recently among the self employed.[/QUOTE]

apparently , we are living the dream

Tiddlypeeps

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I often wonder when I see the likes of the front line (I try to avoid it because I'm bombarded by politics daily now it seems) do politicians actually give a **** about the people. I'd say a majority don't. Many have been involved for far too long and are rich, reluctant to take any cuts themselves and from what I gather deluded.

They're surrounded by puppets. When I see a party together celebrating or laughing and joking in the Dáil, it makes me want to puke.
I saw Pat Rabbit recently on the front line, "Very angry and upset".
He won't be winning an Oscar any time soon, that's for sure.

I'd also love to see Corporation tax go up by 1%. I'd love to know what sort of revenue that could take in. I can't envisage any companies pulling out of Ireland for such a small increase. Surely it would be bad PR on their behalf also if they were to blame it on a 1% increase. Then again I don't know the first thing about Business, I'm just giving my 2 cents worth, which is probably worth a whole lot less than I can imagine.

**** you FF, you've driven about half of my friends out of the country already with the mess you created.

Our corporation tax is the ONLY reason a lot of big multinational companies are here. We would lose more than we stand to gain from increasing corporation tax.

With just a 1% increase it would still leave our corporation tax at a very attractive number but it sends a bad message to multinational companies that are here and ones that are looking at Ireland and considering setting up shop here. The fact we haven't touched it so far despite the economic downturn sends a strong message that we aren't going to anytime soon. So it makes the decisions for multinationals to investment in employment and infrastructure over here so much easier, because there is little fear that tax will increase and they will have to pull out any time soon.

dj jarvis

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Our corporation tax is the ONLY reason a lot of big multinational companies are here. We would lose more than we stand to gain from increasing corporation tax.

With just a 1% increase it would still leave our corporation tax at a very attractive number but it sends a bad message to multinational companies that are here and ones that are looking at Ireland and considering setting up shop here. The fact we haven't touched it so far despite the economic downturn sends a strong message that we aren't going to anytime soon. So it makes the decisions for multinationals to investment in employment and infrastructure over here so much easier, because there is little fear that tax will increase and they will have to pull out any time soon.

i see the propaganda is working well on you - France has a true rate of 6% , they dont get anywhere near our FDI , we speak English , in the euro and can work without striking ever ten minutes , that is it

they are going nowhere anytime soon - its the home grown that are being slaughtered

Pottler

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Our corporation tax is the ONLY reason a lot of big multinational companies are here. We would lose more than we stand to gain from increasing corporation tax.

With just a 1% increase it would still leave our corporation tax at a very attractive number but it sends a bad message to multinational companies that are here and ones that are looking at Ireland and considering setting up shop here. The fact we haven't touched it so far despite the economic downturn sends a strong message that we aren't going to anytime soon. So it makes the decisions for multinationals to investment in employment and infrastructure over here so much easier, because there is little fear that tax will increase and they will have to pull out any time soon.

Ok, so your first post, I took as a joke.

mickdw

If a self employed person takes up paye job, how long until they are considered to qualify for welfare?
Im self employed and work is pretty slow for last couple of years.

Tiddlypeeps

dj jarvis wrote: »

i see the propaganda is working well on you - France has a true rate of 6% , they dont get anywhere near our FDI , we speak English , in the euro and can work without striking ever ten minutes , that is it

they are going nowhere anytime soon - its the home grown that are being slaughtered

I have no idea what you mean by true rate? Frances corporation tax rate is 33%. If it's actually 6% then they should do a better job of advertising that.

I'm not basing my opinion on propaganda. My business is in the games sector where the IDA are very active in trying to encourage companies to come over here to set up. I try to keep an eye on the companies that do make the move and their motives. EA in galway for example are a call center for their star wars MMO, the main skills they need from their workforce are foreign languages. They could get that in most European countries and probably better than here to boot. The only reason they are here is the tax rate. No other reason makes sense.

For games companies that do actual development work we have a skilled workforce, but the UK is much more suited to actual development. The only reason to choose Ireland over the UK for that type of work is the tax rate.

Homegrown companies benefit from corporation tax too so I'm not entirely sure what relevance that last comment has to it. Unless it was unrelated.