Traditional Martial art ?

just because it's a gracie doesn't make it right.
just because it's a 8th degree black belt doesnt mean it will work.

that's a perfect example of statically trained, compliant, choregraphed nonsense.

That has zero application to self defence. If i was a betting man I'd wager helson gracie, like many of his kinsmen, sought to exploit his name to make money selling tapes. their is an eternal demand in the market for self-defence videos and this is there take on it.

that's nothing but glorified kata, the only way you can't see that is if you're coming at it from the blinkered perspective that you want to justify JJJ by saying it's equivalent to BJJ which is equivalent of a 10 year old saying it's ok to smoke because my daddy does. Or, you're so enamoured by the gracie cult or bjj in general, you can't accept that, with the exception of those 2 younger guys, everything the gracies put out on tape is far inferior to anything souza/sperry/etc. put out.

bit of a logical fallacy there peter and you've also completely misunderstood the crux of the discussion.

anyone is free to do what ever martial art for what ever reason, if you like dancing and choreography, do ballet, pro wrestling or JJJ.

What the question was there - is jjj useful as a martial art in a self-defence / fight / mma context. My opinion is no and no one on this thread has made any logical argument for it.

If you're not capable of discussing it and you want to put your head in the sand and cop out of the argument by saying 'each to their own' fair enough, but why sign up and post?

I don't think there is any point going further with this. You are saying you have an opinion that a good instructor / club / correct alignment of the stars JJJ is a good 'system' for bouncers. But why should I believe you? Are going to offer some proof ? evidence?

Presumably there are gentlemen in your club who train jjj who are bouncers who are good at 'restraining people'. Even if we take this as true, how can you say it's the JJJ that makes them good at restraining people? Maybe it's a simple fact they are sober, bigger, stronger, more experienced men who work in groups restraining drunk, smaller, less experienced men and women.

I've seen bouncers get people in good strong holds - chokes / arm twists but their method is to sneak up behind the person and grab them quickly. IS this how you practice in JJJ club? put a mask on a guy than sneak up and pull his arm behind his back?

I'm think I'm pretty much right about everything there tbh.

Bambi wrote: »

Three different contexts, maybe pick one and you might have a constructive discussion.

Take your pick.

Chris89 wrote: »

Yeah i enjoyed it, what techniques would you propose for a self defence demonstration?

cool trollin' bro