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If Hitler Won the War

  • 11-01-2013 02:04PM
    #1
    chops018
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭


    http://headrambles.com/2011/11/15/if-hitler-won-the-war/

    Do you ever wonder what the world would be like if Hitler had won the last war?

    It’s impossible to say precisely of course, but we can take a rough guess.

    First of all, Hitler may have had some fairly weird ideas but he was no fool. He wouldn’t have just created a vast Germany spreading across Europe. That would be too difficult to control. It would have made sense to leave each country as it was and even to allow democratic elections to keep the people mollified. Needless to say, those democratically elected governments would have no say and would be mere puppets, with Berlin pulling the strings. If the people elected someone who was opposed to Berlin, he would be quietly removed and replaced with a party lapdog.

    Hitler, amongst other things was a health fanatic. He believed in total abstinence from alcohol, was a vegetarian and had a hatred of smoking. It is likely therefore that there would be a load of restrictions on what we ate or drank. He couldn’t have banned alcohol or tobacco as that would have led to outright rebellion, but he would have imposed severe restrictions……

    Hang on………

    This is beginning to sound vaguely familiar?


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  • #2
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Not really.


    http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/institutional_affairs/treaties/treaties_ecsc_en.htm
    Thus the idea of pooling Franco-German coal and steel production came about and the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was formed. This choice was not only economic but also political, as these two raw materials were the basis of the industry and power of the two countries. The underlying political objective was to strengthen Franco-German solidarity, banish the spectre of war and open the way to European integration.


  • #3
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    chops018 wrote: »
    http://headrambles.com/2011/11/15/if-hitler-won-the-war/

    Do you ever wonder what the world would be like if Hitler had won the last war?

    It’s impossible to say precisely of course, but we can take a rough guess.

    First of all, Hitler may have had some fairly weird ideas but he was no fool. He wouldn’t have just created a vast Germany spreading across Europe. That would be too difficult to control. It would have made sense to leave each country as it was and even to allow democratic elections to keep the people mollified. Needless to say, those democratically elected governments would have no say and would be mere puppets, with Berlin pulling the strings. If the people elected someone who was opposed to Berlin, he would be quietly removed and replaced with a party lapdog.

    Hitler, amongst other things was a health fanatic. He believed in total abstinence from alcohol, was a vegetarian and had a hatred of smoking. It is likely therefore that there would be a load of restrictions on what we ate or drank. He couldn’t have banned alcohol or tobacco as that would have led to outright rebellion, but he would have imposed severe restrictions……

    Hang on………

    This is beginning to sound vaguely familiar?

    We'd all be walking round in our Hugo Boss designer overalls looking grim.:(


  • #4
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Germany today has achieved what Hitler never could


  • #5
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    chops018 wrote: »
    .....

    First of all, Hitler may have had some fairly weird ideas but he was no fool. ............


    ...started a war on two fronts, never authorised total war mobiliation of industry until the later stages of the war, disorganised and overlapping lines of command and supply, simplistic belief in "super weapons", driving out some of the most talented Germans who fled to the states and elsewhere......no, I'd say he was a bit of a fool allright.


  • #6
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,610 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    We would be drinking decent beer.


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  • #7
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Germany today has achieved what Hitler never could

    Ah leave it out.


  • #8
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    kneemos wrote: »
    We would be drinking decent beer.


    Decent sausage and choccie too.


  • #9
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    What's with all the Hitler threads lately? :confused:

    Here's a little treat for ye......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqZrAhbnGoQ


  • #10
    Urquell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Urquell


    If Hitler won ...

    - We would be driving German Cars
    - They would be crushing our National Football teams
    - Our Kids would be learning German
    - Berlin would be making our Economic decisions for us

    Bullet dodged eh?


  • #11
    mconigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    Well for starters we'd all be going around doing whatever Germany demanded....imagine. IMAGINE! Try really hard to imagine that OP.

    Edit: Also all have traffic lights would be like this: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2533922845_fb0601f8e4.jpg


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  • #12
    imitation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭imitation


    chops018 wrote: »
    Hitler, amongst other things was a health fanatic. He believed in total abstinence from alcohol, was a vegetarian and had a hatred of smoking. It is likely therefore that there would be a load of restrictions on what we ate or drank. He couldn’t have banned alcohol or tobacco as that would have led to outright rebellion, but he would have imposed severe restrictions……

    Hang on………

    This is beginning to sound vaguely familiar?

    Yes, because taxing booze, burgers and fags is totally the next step on your evil master plan after kicking off a world war and the systematic extermination of millions.


  • #13
    Retrovertigo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Retrovertigo


    Here we go again.

    Here's a new idea, do you tip delivery drivers and waiters, OP?


  • #14
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    We'd all be walking round in our Hugo Boss designer overalls looking grim.:(

    Better than all those walking around wearing tracksuits or pyjamas all the time.


  • #15
    Stillweak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Stillweak


    Probably my last post on boards as I want to close account anyway. Going to get a lot of stick for this, but .........

    I wonder about it all the time.

    No Israeli land grabbing and imposing their own slightly more subtle holocaust.

    No 9/11

    Probably a united Ireland speaking German
    (revenge to Britain and reward to our non involvement in war)

    guerrilla warfare in most counties under German rule, which would be ruthlessly put down


  • #16
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    we wouldnt get the same threads over and over....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74188200


  • #17
    Burky126
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Burky126


    This was a subject of a HBO mini series staring yer man from Blade Runner.Check it out if you're interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV5NV0LNtwY


  • #18
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    mconigol wrote: »

    Edit: Also all have traffic lights would be like this: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2533922845_fb0601f8e4.jpg

    Why do they have pimps as their traffic lights ?

    I will say that they look fabulous in green, amber and red.


  • #19
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    If Germany had won, there would have been no Cold War. Instead there would have been a fairly monumental struggle between the US, the Soviets and the 3rd Reich as three superpowers all with enormous military capabilities and nuclear arsenals.

    Although in order for Germany not to have lost, you'd need to roll back on some of the decisive defeats, such as the defeat in the Russian winter and the D-day landings. If Germany had won these, then they may have emerged as the strongest of the 3 superpowers and Russia and the USA may have agreed to stop the fighting in order to avoid getting their asses kicked.

    If D-Day had failed, it's plausible that the U.S. would have pulled out of Europe completely to focus on the war against Japan and Germany would have then flattened the UK and gained complete control. If the U.S. then decided to get involved again after Japan surrendered, it would probably have a lobbed a couple of nukes in. But at that stage the Germans would probably have their own nukes, so that would be a big gamble.
    Most likely, in the absence of any serious fighting in Europe with a German victory and therefore no reason for the US to get involved, there would be an uneasy truce between the three. At some point the Nazis and the Soviets would have made a play to conquer eachother, or would engage in proxy battles in Africa and the middle-east.

    What the US would do could go either way. As the "last bastion" of democracy and freedom and faced with two enemies of enormous strength, they may have decided to become ultra-insular and protect their own interests. Or they may have been concerned that the other two would conspire to conquer South America before making a move on the USA, and fought with Russia versus the Germans or vice-versa.


  • #20
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    chops018 wrote: »
    http://headrambles.com/2011/11/15/if-hitler-won-the-war/

    Do you ever wonder what the world would be like if Hitler had won the last war?

    It’s impossible to say precisely of course, but we can take a rough guess.

    First of all, Hitler may have had some fairly weird ideas but he was no fool. He wouldn’t have just created a vast Germany spreading across Europe. That would be too difficult to control. It would have made sense to leave each country as it was and even to allow democratic elections to keep the people mollified. Needless to say, those democratically elected governments would have no say and would be mere puppets, with Berlin pulling the strings. If the people elected someone who was opposed to Berlin, he would be quietly removed and replaced with a party lapdog.

    Hitler, amongst other things was a health fanatic. He believed in total abstinence from alcohol, was a vegetarian and had a hatred of smoking. It is likely therefore that there would be a load of restrictions on what we ate or drank. He couldn’t have banned alcohol or tobacco as that would have led to outright rebellion, but he would have imposed severe restrictions……

    Hang on………

    This is beginning to sound vaguely familiar?

    All your answers are in here...

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/PKD-high_castle-penguinclassics.jpg/175px-PKD-high_castle-penguinclassics.jpg


  • #21
    dd972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    People would speak German as a lingua franca, it wouldn't supplant any of the local indigenous languages, If Hitler hadn't been such an idiot and megalomaniac ie; invading Russia and overriding his Generals then the Nazi's would have coasted WW2.

    I don't think that such an extreme ideology would have survived though, they'd have been under attack constantly by resistance movements.


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  • #22
    Zebra3
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    seamus wrote: »
    Although in order for Germany not to have lost, you'd need to roll back on some of the decisive defeats, such as the defeat in the Russian winter and the D-day landings.

    D-day landing meant nothing.

    Germany was finished at that stage.

    Germany lost over 3,500,000 men on the eastern front and "just" 200,000 on the western front.

    The D-day landings were about stopping Soviet western expansion and not about defeating Germany. The US and the British left that to the USSR.


  • #23
    WindSock
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    We'd be all be walking around saying 'das ist not eine booby' all day. Maybe.
    Well I would. Probably.


  • #24
    Fratton Fred
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    D-day landing meant nothing.

    Germany was finished at that stage.

    Germany lost over 3,500,000 men on the eastern front and "just" 200,000 on the western front.

    The D-day landings were about stopping Soviet western expansion and not about defeating Germany. The US and the British left that to the USSR.

    here we go:rolleyes:


  • #25
    gobnaitolunacy
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    Thank God it never came about.

    I can't imagine pickled cabbage being appetising.


  • #26
    Herb Powell
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    To be quite honest, when I see people saying "Look, Germany controls Europe today, they actually won!", or any such equivalent, it looks no different to me than the people in America who call Obama a "muslim communist".


  • #27
    bullvine
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    Its possible that they may never been able to get to Britain as well, the sea held a massive advantage, so even if they hadn't invaded Russia but stopped with Poland, they may have been content with mainland Europe.


  • #28
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Stillweak wrote: »

    No Israeli land grabbing and imposing their own slightly more subtle holocaust.

    As you said yourself, I'm surprised no one has brought you up on this.

    That's an abysmally obnoxious thing to say, how dare you compare the two.


  • #29
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    here we go:rolleyes:

    Yeah, great point. :rolleyes:


  • #30
    Pyr0
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    D-day landing meant nothing.

    Germany was finished at that stage.

    Germany lost over 3,500,000 men on the eastern front and "just" 200,000 on the western front.

    The D-day landings were about stopping Soviet western expansion and not about defeating Germany. The US and the British left that to the USSR.

    It was the Eastern Front that killed Germany, not the Western Front.


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  • #31
    Alias G
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    I don't know why posters are suggesting there would somehow have been a three way stand off among the US, 3rd reich and USSR superpowers post world war II. The USSR would have been far from contending as a superpower for many decades. Most of her industry and resources would be entirely under the control of Greater Germany and cities such as Leningrad would have been entirely ethnically cleansed of Slavs and populated with Germans. It was the whole point of lebensraum after all.


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