UK to leave EU?

Busted Flat. · 10-01-2013 05:49PM

gallag wrote: »

Interesting guy alright, joined in 2010, first post 2 days ago and about 90% posts anti british.

For anyone to make a comment that disagrees with our neighbors point of view, the best that you can come up with is anti british. Childish, but we have being living with that sort of response for years, most of Europe are aware of that as well.

Fratton Fred · 10-01-2013 05:52PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

For anyone to make a comment that disagrees with our neighbors point of view, the best that you can come up with is anti british. Childish, but we have being living with that sort of response for years, most of Europe are aware of that as well.

ironic post of the day award goes to Busted Flat

10-01-2013 06:04PM

gallag wrote: »

And whats the problem with simple free trade? Why do you feel countries should sign up to a federal europe and give up things like law making, economic decisions or be shunned?

The EU isn't simply a free trade union / common market anymore. If you want the benefits peace and (relative) prosperity brings you should stump up some of the costs.

A few smaller countries getting various benefits without signing up weren't going to upset the apple cart but a country the size of the UK could tip the whole thing over.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

a trade deal? do you really think the Germans would want to start a trade war with the UK?

It can't be assumed that any UK exit would lead to an automatic trade agreement on similar terms. I don't think there would be a trade war and I wouldn't like there to be one.

Fratton Fred · 10-01-2013 06:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It can't be assumed that any UK exit would lead to an automatic trade agreement on similar terms. I don't think there would be a trade war and I wouldn't like there to be one.

there may not be an automatic trade agreement, but the UK is one of the German car industries largest markets. There is no way BMW, Mercedes and VAG would let their government impose any form of tariffs or restrictions in case there is a reciprocal tariff put in place.

Put simply, the UK needs Europe and Europe needs the UK.

Rascasse · 10-01-2013 06:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The EU isn't simply a free trade union / common market anymore. If you want the benefits peace and (relative) prosperity brings you should stump up some of the costs.

Why should it? Ireland may have the luxury of frequent referendums, but the UK has only had one, in the early 70's and it was on joining the common market.

I doubt there is much risk in Britain leaving soon, but if this constant enlargement nonsense continues then it is inevitable that they will. For everyone saying the UK has forever been anti-EU, only 10 years ago the Guardians In vs Out poll showed 68% wanted to remain in and 19% to leave. Now the poll says 40% would vote to stay in an 51% would vote to leave. Why the big change? Partly the economic situation and partly the huge influx of Eastern European economic migrants. It's a huge bone of contention in the UK and, thanks to English being the worlds second language, something that will only get worse each time people from a comparatively poor country are given their right to free movement.

gallag · 10-01-2013 06:32PM

I find the "your either with us or against us" attatude unsettling, like bullying people to stick with it. Why does it really matter if a country wantsto buy/sell goods to aanother country without giving away political power? Hitler would like this Europe.

mise_me_fein3 · 11-01-2013 02:36AM

pmcmahon wrote: »

Iceland have fisheries,Norway has oil and Switzerland has the banks.We have turf and spuds,if you think we could,in raw terms,we could default and get away with it on spuds and turf,you're a bit mental.

We have gas. We have the silicon valley of Europe.

Are you suggesting we are doing well right now? I mean, you think what the country is going through is the best option of all the ones we have?

No my friend, you are a bit mental

dlofnep · 11-01-2013 03:35AM

I can understand why Britain would want to leave the EU, but at the same time - I think the EU offers many benefits... the most important of which is freedom to travel. I'm not particularly a fan of the central control, where the voice of our democratically elected politicians are ineffective.

I think whatever happens - Ireland and Britain will preserve strong trading ties, and free movement between the two islands.

Paully D · 11-01-2013 04:34AM

America doesn't want them to. The UK will do what they are told.

xOxSinéadxOx · 11-01-2013 04:37AM

Can't see them staying in the EU tbh, although the above^ comment is probably true ! :pac:

MadsL · 11-01-2013 06:22AM

RossyG wrote: »

The UK doesn't consider Ireland as a foreign country,

Err...Wut? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_Act_1949

mise_me_fein3 wrote: »

We have gas. We have the silicon valley of Europe.

Delusional much?
http://blog.gist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/silicon-valleys-of-the-world.png

What Ireland has is the tax shelter of Europe and it really isn't the same thing.

Rascasse · 11-01-2013 06:29AM

MadsL wrote: »

Err...Wut? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_Act_1949

Section 2(1) of that link.

s. 2(1) – Declared that, even though the Republic of Ireland was no longer a British dominion, it would not be treated as a foreign country for the purposes of British law.

johnolocher · 11-01-2013 08:34AM

I don't think the UK will leave the EU I think what they will push for is more separation between the EU & Eurozone ie if Europe wants to integrate more politically, economically and socially then the Eurozone countries have to do that together separarely with out any changes to the EU (trade agreements/ freedom if movement etc).

The UK is important to Europe but at the same time they aren't a team player, and rightly so, they have been proved right on the monetary union and I only wish Ireland had had the same level of evaluation of the Euro and made the same intelligent decision.

Gosub · 11-01-2013 09:12AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

there may not be an automatic trade agreement, but the UK is one of the German car industries largest markets. There is no way BMW, Mercedes and VAG would let their government impose any form of tariffs or restrictions in case there is a reciprocal tariff put in place.

Put simply, the UK needs Europe and Europe needs the UK.

Yeah the British car buyer would revert to British cars like Morris, Austin, etc. Oh wait... I forgot, the British motor industry is largely made up of Japanese companies.

I wonder if Japanese companies like Nissan would still be happy with a base in a UK outside Europe. AFIK they only set up there to get a toe-hold in Europe and pronounce their models as manufactured in Europe. The threat of all those job losses should bring the voters into line.

London, and it's position as a world financial centre, is part of the political battle. If the UK leave the EU, they lose the ability to fight to keep London's position, at least in Europe. Maybe Dublin could become the new world financial hub

.

The reality is that the EU has come about because of a trend towards globalisation. There is no place for old style chest puffing about how great Britain is/would be. The Far East will wipe the floor with the West if we don't all co-operate fiscally.

It is my opinion that the Euro would have been a huge success if all of the member countries got on board at the outset. With other countries, Britain's opt out left the whole Euro project weak. I feel the British are enormously proud of this.

Beefy78 · 11-01-2013 11:52AM

Gosub wrote: »

It is my opinion that the Euro would have been a huge success if all of the member countries got on board at the outset. With other countries, Britain's opt out left the whole Euro project weak. I feel the British are enormously proud of this.

Nonsense. The last thing the Euro project needed was more countries coming on board.

keithclancy · 11-01-2013 12:15PM

The average British edjit would be all for it until they had to get visitors visas to visit shagaloof or anywhere in the EU for that matter.

No more open market
No more being able to go work in another EU Country without work permits etc.

If anything it could be a big win for Ireland, with Ireland having a seperate agreement to Schengen movement would be easier between Ireland and the UK for people and goods than it would be in between The Netherlands, France, Belgium etc.

They would be f*cking idiots if they left the EU though, its easy for some beer drinking moron to go on about the EU destroying everything that is British, when same moron heads down to his local indian, gets a vindaloo, then gets hammered on stella artois gets a taxi home probably driven by an indian lad in a German/Japanese/French car. Watches telly on his telly he got on special from Aldi and then heads off smashed off his face into a bed and bed clothes he got from Ikea.

Personally I think the EU is great, it has its faults but ffs every Country has its faults internally. Its just easier to blame 'ze germans' or 'ze french'

The Irish never have a bad thing to say about the UK due to the cheap shopping up in Newry :pac::pac::pac:

summerskin · 11-01-2013 12:21PM

keithclancy wrote: »

The average British edjit would be all for it until they had to get visitors visas to visit shagaloof or anywhere in the EU for that matter.

No more open market
No more being able to go work in another EU Country without work permits etc.

If anything it could be a big win for Ireland, with Ireland having a seperate agreement to Schengen movement would be easier between Ireland and the UK for people and goods than it would be in between The Netherlands, France, Belgium etc.

They would be f*cking idiots if they left the EU though, its easy for some beer drinking moron to go on about the EU destroying everything that is British, when same moron heads down to his local indian, gets a vindaloo, then gets hammered on stella artois gets a taxi home probably driven by an indian lad in a German/Japanese/French car. Watches telly on his telly he got on special from Aldi and then heads off smashed off his face into a bed and bed clothes he got from Ikea.

Personally I think the EU is great, it has its faults but ffs every Country has its faults internally. Its just easier to blame 'ze germans' or 'ze french'

The Irish never have a bad thing to say about the UK due to the cheap shopping up in Newry :pac::pac::pac:

Apart from the whole ridiculous diatribe you just spouted, is that?

gallag · 11-01-2013 12:21PM

Gosub wrote: »

Yeah the British car buyer would revert to British cars like Morris, Austin, etc. Oh wait... I forgot, the British motor industry is largely made up of Japanese companies.

I wonder if Japanese companies like Nissan would still be happy with a base in a UK outside Europe. AFIK they only set up there to get a toe-hold in Europe and pronounce their models as manufactured in Europe. The threat of all those job losses should bring the voters into line.

London, and it's position as a world financial centre, is part of the political battle. If the UK leave the EU, they lose the ability to fight to keep London's position, at least in Europe. Maybe Dublin could become the new world financial hub .

The reality is that the EU has come about because of a trend towards globalisation. There is no place for old style chest puffing about how great Britain is/would be. The Far East will wipe the floor with the West if we don't all co-operate fiscally.

It is my opinion that the Euro would have been a huge success if all of the member countries got on board at the outset. With other countries, Britain's opt out left the whole Euro project weak. I feel the British are enormously proud of this.

Again, the eu is forcing a us vs them culture, we can take advantage of the wests success through mutual trade deals, why do people feel so strongly the only way is to make a massive federation that is already crumbling.

There is plenty of trade out there with the African nations, the Americans, the west etc do you honestly believe that because Britain did not want to tie its currency to countrys like spain, greece and ireland etc that it caused these countries to fail? The uk has a massive services/banking industry, the financial hub of the world, how long would that last if we turned economic and banking law decisions over to Brussels? The uk had to use its veto recently because the eu wanted to force a transaction tax on banking that would have killed london overnight, why would Brussels do this??? And if the uk lost its powers of veto were would we be?

summerskin · 11-01-2013 12:23PM

gallag wrote: »

Again, the eu is forcing a us vs them culture, we can take advantage of the wests success through mutual trade deals, why do people feel so strongly the only way is to make a massive federation that is already crumbling.

There is plenty of trade out there with the African nations, the Americans, the west etc do you honestly believe that because Britain did not want to tie its currency to countrys like spain, greece and ireland etc that it caused these countries to fail? The uk has a massive services/banking industry, the financial hub of the world, how long would that last if we turned economic and banking law decisions over to Brussels? The uk had to use its veto recently because the eu wanted to force a transaction tax on banking that would have killed london overnight, why would Brussels do this??? And if the uk lost its powers of veto were would we be?

You forget, gallag, that apparently Britain should only choose to do things that benefit Ireland, and if it chooses to do things to benefit itself it is bang out of order.

Busted Flat. · 11-01-2013 12:26PM

keithclancy wrote: »

The average British edjit would be all for it until they had to get visitors visas to visit shagaloof or anywhere in the EU for that matter.

No more open market
No more being able to go work in another EU Country without work permits etc.

If anything it could be a big win for Ireland, with Ireland having a seperate agreement to Schengen movement would be easier between Ireland and the UK for people and goods than it would be in between The Netherlands, France, Belgium etc.

They would be f*cking idiots if they left the EU though, its easy for some beer drinking moron to go on about the EU destroying everything that is British, when same moron heads down to his local indian, gets a vindaloo, then gets hammered on stella artois gets a taxi home probably driven by an indian lad in a German/Japanese/French car. Watches telly on his telly he got on special from Aldi and then heads off smashed off his face into a bed and bed clothes he got from Ikea.

Personally I think the EU is great, it has its faults but ffs every Country has its faults internally. Its just easier to blame 'ze germans' or 'ze french'

The Irish never have a bad thing to say about the UK due to the cheap shopping up in Newry :pac::pac::pac:

You will be called antibrit as well, that is all they can come up with when faced with something that hurts. Good one.

keithclancy · 11-01-2013 12:27PM

summerskin wrote: »

Apart from the whole ridiculous diatribe you just spouted, is that?

Last line was a tongue in cheek bit of humour, relax.

gallag · 11-01-2013 12:29PM

keithclancy wrote: »

The average British edjit would be all for it until they had to get visitors visas to visit shagaloof or anywhere in the EU for that matter.

No more open market
No more being able to go work in another EU Country without work permits etc.

If anything it could be a big win for Ireland, with Ireland having a seperate agreement to Schengen movement would be easier between Ireland and the UK for people and goods than it would be in between The Netherlands, France, Belgium etc.

They would be f*cking idiots if they left the EU though, its easy for some beer drinking moron to go on about the EU destroying everything that is British, when same moron heads down to his local indian, gets a vindaloo, then gets hammered on stella artois gets a taxi home probably driven by an indian lad in a German/Japanese/French car. Watches telly on his telly he got on special from Aldi and then heads off smashed off his face into a bed and bed clothes he got from Ikea.

Personally I think the EU is great, it has its faults but ffs every Country has its faults internally. Its just easier to blame 'ze germans' or 'ze french'

The Irish never have a bad thing to say about the UK due to the cheap shopping up in Newry :pac::pac::pac:

Holy ****, is that what you really think? We are just idiots that believe we dont need to deal with the outside world? Answer this, if the uk had not used its veto on the banking transaction tax (which would have cost us more than the gdp of ireland overnight) had not kept the pound and never fought for things like our rebate would we be better or worse off? If ee had accepted the Brussels plans we would be worse than Greece at this point.

Why does it hurt people so much that Britain just wants to buy and sell stuff without giving away political power?

keithclancy · 11-01-2013 12:33PM

gallag wrote: »

Holy ****, is that what you really think? We are just idiots that believe we dont need to deal with the outside world? Answer this, if the uk had not used its veto on the banking transaction tax (which would have cost us more than the gdp of ireland overnight) had not kept the pound and never fought for things like our rebate would we be better or worse off? If ee had accepted the Brussels plans we would be worse than Greece at this point.

Why does it hurt people so much that Britain just wants to buy and sell stuff without giving away political power?

What has using their vote got to do with leaving the EU ?
If they weren't in the EU then they wouldn't have a vote.

summerskin · 11-01-2013 12:35PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Last line was a tongue in cheek bit of humour, relax.

And the rest of it was just vile xenophobic trash.

gallag · 11-01-2013 12:37PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You will be called antibrit as well, that is all they can come up with when faced with something that hurts. Good one.

Such a well constructed and thought provoking post.

gallag · 11-01-2013 12:39PM

keithclancy wrote: »

What has using their vote got to do with leaving the EU ?
If they weren't in the EU then they wouldn't have a vote.

Its because we use the vote that people accuse us of just being anti eu, we are not anti eu, just pro British, would you agree with us using the vote to protect British interests?

keithclancy · 11-01-2013 12:46PM

gallag wrote: »

Its because we use the vote that people accuse us of just being anti eu, we are not anti eu, just pro British, would you agree with us using the vote to protect British interests?

I think thats the right of every EU Member state.

However the topic of the thread is 'UK to leave EU?'

Busted Flat. · 11-01-2013 12:46PM

gallag wrote: »

Its because we use the vote that people accuse us of just being anti eu, we are not anti eu, just pro British, would you agree with us using the vote to protect British interests?

That is the UK's problem, selfish, insecure, and living in the old colonial days.
It is about time to drop your baggage and be part of the Union, or leave. It's make your mind up time. Its called the European Union, not the British Empire.

summerskin · 11-01-2013 12:48PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

That is the UK's problem, selfish, insecure, and living in the old colonial days.
It is about time to drop your baggage and be part of the Union, or leave. It's make your mind up time. Its called the European Union, not the British Empire.

Ok, you bow down to your european overlords and see where it gets you. have you no pride in ireland, or are you that happy to give away it's sovereignty to the EU?

If Britain decides to leave the union to further it's own cause, then it is doing the right thing.

getz · 11-01-2013 12:48PM

gallag wrote: »

Holy ****, is that what you really think? We are just idiots that believe we dont need to deal with the outside world? Answer this, if the uk had not used its veto on the banking transaction tax (which would have cost us more than the gdp of ireland overnight) had not kept the pound and never fought for things like our rebate would we be better or worse off? If ee had accepted the Brussels plans we would be worse than Greece at this point.

Why does it hurt people so much that Britain just wants to buy and sell stuff without giving away political power?

NAFTA is doing quite well without the political thing

UK to leave EU?

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