UK to leave EU?

davet82

AMERICA has publicly voiced its concern about the consequences of Britain leaving the European Union, stating that London's "voice" within the EU is "critical to the United States".

At an event in Dublin marking Ireland's assumption of the presidency, Kenny described the prospect of Britain quitting the EU as a "disaster", while Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European Council, called on the UK to remain an "active, full, and leading" EU member.

Seems to be alot of this in UK papers at the moment about them leaving the EU, I think it would be a bad thing for Ireland for trade reasons i suppose but I don't really know any pros and cons for the UK leaving other than the red tops in the UK declaring that the UK would be transformed into a wonderland if they got rid of EU and their bureaucrats...

interested in peoples opinions on this

Ghandee

As much as I'm a euro-sceptic, I don't think it would be good for us, they're one of our main trading partners, plus it could lead to customs at the border again.

Gummy Panda

Wasn't this already put to vote in parliament?

davet82

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wasn't this already put to vote in parliament?

seems there maybe a referendum on the cards if you are to believe various reports

leonidas83

The UK swinging its D*ck again, sh*t or get off the pot

gallag

Ghandee wrote: »

As much as I'm a euro-sceptic, I don't think it would be good for us, they're one of our main trading partners, plus it could lead to customs at the border again.

Not being in the eu will not stop me buying irish goods, I always try to buy Irish/British goods. I cant see ireland enforcing a trade ban just because Brussels told yous not to sell/buy stuff anymore. The eu has reached the point on the slippery slopewhere it is using fear to make us accept a ffederation, basically saying "if you leave we will bankrupt you"

Lad Of Banter

Ghandee wrote: »

As much as I'm a euro-sceptic, I don't think it would be good for us, they're one of our main trading partners, plus it could lead to customs at the border again.

are there customs at borders of Schengen member countries who aren't EU members (Switzerland, Norway, etc...)

anncoates

Missed a golden chance to name the thread BRITS OUT?

The thread would then have no doubt collapsed under a blizzard of ovine thanks.

mise_me_fein3

Ghandee wrote: »

As much as I'm a euro-sceptic, I don't think it would be good for us, they're one of our main trading partners, plus it could lead to customs at the border again.

Norway and Switzerland seem to be doing ok. I'd like to leave and go back to the punt and default on the debt like Iceland did.

We could just have a trade and border agreement and get away from this united states of europe stuff.

Celly Smunt

If they leave,a new agreement will be put into place regarding Ireland.After all,every second shop you see in Irish shopping centres is British,retailers won't take kindly to import/export taxes.

Celly Smunt

mise_me_fein3 wrote: »

Norway and Switzerland seem to be doing ok. I'd like to leave and go back to the punt and default on the debt like Iceland did.

We could just have a trade and border agreement and get away from this united states of europe stuff.

Iceland have fisheries,Norway has oil and Switzerland has the banks.We have turf and spuds,if you think we could,in raw terms,we could default and get away with it on spuds and turf,you're a bit mental.

My name is URL

On Sky News last night they were reporting on this by saying 'Ireland threatens Britain over EU exit' and that we were 'against a special deal for the UK', which I bet didn't go down well with many people.

Beefy78

I wouldn't expect there to be any trade implications to this.

As a Brit who used the freedom of movement granted by the EU to painlessly get a job in another EU country I think this would be a real shame, but I think it's unavoidable. The Eurozone countries have to move along a certain path now towards closer integration and that's something that Britain doesn't want a part of. I'm sure the Uk will retail a place as some kind of associated member.

Strawberry Fields

My name is URL wrote: »

On Sky News last night they were reporting on this by saying 'Ireland threatens Britain over EU exit' and that we were 'against a special deal for the UK', which I bet didn't go down well with many people.

Threatened them with what exactly?

senordingdong

There has always been euro skeptic sentiment in Britain, and the tabloids have always reinforced it. But an actual departure is highly unlikely IMO.

ejmaztec

It's only the Daily Mail and its readers that want to leave the EU, and supporters of the one trick pony party i.e. UKIP.

I don't think there will ever be a referendum over there, British businesses have too much to lose.

Celly Smunt

Strawberry Fields wrote: »

Threatened them with what exactly?

that we'd stop following the premier league

My name is URL

Strawberry Fields wrote: »

Threatened them with what exactly?

I don't know, it's Sky News... that's just how they chose to report it! They referenced what Kenny said and mentioned ramifications to trade agreements etc.

Ghandee

Lad Of Banter wrote: »

are there customs at borders of Schengen member countries who aren't EU members (Switzerland, Norway, etc...)

I'm not saying there will be, but that it's possible.

Let's say some commodity or service becomes a hell of a lot cheaper to buy in Newry than Dublin, do you think our revenue would be happy to watch hundreds of thousands of us travel north and bring these things back unchallenged?

Celly Smunt

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's only the Daily Mail and its readers that want to leave the EU, and supporters of the one trick pony party i.e. UKIP.

I don't think there will ever be a referendum over there, British businesses have too much to lose.

Well,the big powers in Europe would just make trading with the UK tax free through loophole so it wouldn't effect the major trade for either countries.

RossyG

Ghandee wrote: »

As much as I'm a euro-sceptic, I don't think it would be good for us, they're one of our main trading partners, plus it could lead to customs at the border again.

The UK doesn't consider Ireland as a foreign country, so while it'd have those things for Germany, France and the like, they wouldn't for Ireland.

Doubt they'll be leaving the EU any time soon, anyway.

mike65

No.

RossyG

leonidas83 wrote: »

The UK swinging its D*ck again, sh*t or get off the pot

It's called a negotiating position.

CreepingDeath

RossyG wrote: »

It's called a negotiating position.

Now that weak Enda Kenny is at the helm of the EU presidency for the next 6 months, they probably see this as a good opportunity to push at the weakest link.

Ghandee

RossyG wrote: »

The UK doesn't consider Ireland as a foreign country, so while it'd have those things for Germany, France and the like, they wouldn't for Ireland.

Doubt they'll be leaving the EU any time soon, anyway.

I was referring to the customs being on our side of the border though.

RossyG

Ah...

sfwcork

U can Fook right Off. Always been up their own A$$ that lot

davet82

anncoates wrote: »

Missed a golden chance to name the thread BRITS OUT?

The thread would then have no doubt collapsed under a blizzard of ovine thanks.

i could still change it but can you imagine the sinn fein heads disappointment when clicking into this thread, it just wouldn't be fair

sfwcork

wrote:

sfwcork




Ad U can Fook right Off. Always been up their own A$$ that lot

oops.meant they

summerskin

sfwcork wrote: »

oops.meant they

Fantastically well thought out post either way. Bravo.

Fratton Fred

It isn't in the UK's interests to leave Europe and it isn't in the EU's interests to cut off the third largest economy in Europe.

I can't see the UK leaving, but if it did, there would be so many loopholes put in place that the majority of business would carry on as usual.

seamus

The UK leaving the EU would likely have relatively little impact on us since we would just set up trade agreements to mirror what we have now and the common travel area would remain in effect.
We are the UK's sixth-largest export partner, so they will want to keep that channel as open and favourable as possible.


In fact, it could potentially be beneficial for us as we could implement more favourable taxation policies for trade in and out of the UK.

donalg1

What will it mean for me when buying stuff from Amazon.co.uk?

Fromthetrees

I don't think the UK will leave Europe but if they did I don't think it will make much difference to us anyway.

getz

senordingdong wrote: »

There has always been euro skeptic sentiment in Britain, and the tabloids have always reinforced it. But an actual departure is highly unlikely IMO.

there are a lot of people in the EU love it,i have seen that on tv,with 100,000s walking the streets in greece,spain,portugal,and italy with banners saying UP the EU,[well as my eyesight isent what was,it looked liked that ] as far as people in the UK, they are not against a common market,as long as it is not a political one,thats the bit that is causing the problem,and with the eurozone having its problems,and seeing the likes of germany and france bullying other countries,i can foresee a lot of political unrest for its future,

Stinicker

I think Ireland should do the same as the UK and leave the EU too.

SEPT 23 1989

Stinicker wrote: »

I think Ireland should join the UK and leave too.

Not join but leave at the same time

Duckworth_Luas

My name is URL wrote: »

On Sky News last night they were reporting on this by saying 'Ireland threatens Britain over EUexit'

Strawberry Fields wrote: »

Threatened them with what exactly?

The Hounds, or the Bees, or the hounds with bees in their mouths so everytime they bark at you they shoot bees at you!

BrensBenz

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's only the Daily Mail and its readers that want to leave the EU, and supporters of the one trick pony party i.e. UKIP.

I don't think there will ever be a referendum over there, British businesses have too much to lose.

Agree.
Also, when successive British leaders say that they want to be at the "heart of Europe", what they really mean is that they want to be at the "head of Europe" - they don't like being mere "members", with equal voting rights to Johnnie Foreigner, and the British red tops stir this up to sell paper.

And, the Brits regards referendums as PC wussiness so I think the more astute business classes in Britain might push for some tweaks while basically maintaining the status quo.

Latchy

donalg1 wrote: »

What will it mean for me when buying stuff from Amazon.co.uk?

Buy from Amazon USA ?

The reason a lot of British high street stores and chains are going to the wall is because people ( including myself ) are shopping online now more than ever.

Fratton Fred

BrensBenz wrote: »

Agree.
Also, when successive British leaders say that they want to be at the "heart of Europe", what they really mean is that they want to be at the "head of Europe" - they don't like being mere "members", with equal voting rights to Johnnie Foreigner, and the British red tops stir this up to sell paper.

and that makes them different to every other leader of a European country how, exactly?

RossyG

donalg1 wrote: »

What will it mean for me when buying stuff from Amazon.co.uk?

Nothing at all. It'll be business as usual.

Ghandee

donalg1 wrote: »

What will it mean for me when buying stuff from Amazon.co.uk?

English subtitles will not be an option on DVD's.

Chuck Stone

London fears its financial status as Europe's (and the world's) principle financial hub being eroded by increasingly cohesive EU banking. The UK, unlike Germany which is a world manufacturing powerhouse, depends heavily upon the finance part of its economy (the UK comes in 4th behind Germany, France and Italy for exports).

spank_inferno

They won't leave, they know that is not in their best interest.

I reckon it will be a compromise where they are still members but enjoy greater scope for 'opt-outs' of directives etc where it suits them.

BrensBenz

Fratton Fred wrote: »

and that makes them different to every other leader of a European country how, exactly?

Well, other countries have their red tops and UKIP type quacks but few are as virulent, venomous or as powerful as the British ones. Leaders must pander to their readership in that proportion. Sorry if I'm not clear but I do feel that British red tops create more than reflect popular opinion.
I also feel that, in recent decades anyway, "mainland Europeans" are more open to working with their neighbours than the British are. I travel in the EU a lot on business and, as far as I can see, Britain is not seen as "one of us" while Ireland, for instance, is. A chicken and egg scenario really but, longer term, I see the UK remaining the noisy odd-man-out....but in the EU.

Busted Flat.

The UK being in the EU, is like having your cranky spinster great aunt, sitting at the table for 365 days a year, instead of just a few hours at Christmas. IMO everyone has just tired of their behavior. As a previous poster said "$hit or get off the pot".

Fratton Fred

BrensBenz wrote: »

Well, other countries have their red tops and UKIP type quacks but few are as virulent, venomous or as powerful as the British ones. Leaders must pander to their readership in that proportion. Sorry if I'm not clear but I do feel that British red tops create more than reflect popular opinion.
I also feel that, in recent decades anyway, "mainland Europeans" are more open to working with their neighbours than the British are. I travel in the EU a lot on business and, as far as I can see, Britain is not seen as "one of us" while Ireland, for instance, is. A chicken and egg scenario really but, longer term, I see the UK remaining the noisy odd-man-out....but in the EU.

You've obviously had a very different experience of Europe than I have then. I have always found the French to be seen as the outsiders, mainly because they have little or no interest in anything outside their borders.

bluecode

The UK won't leave the EU. If there was a referendum, the consequences would be spelt out for them and the typical English person (The English will be the main deciders on this) is not the flag waving buffoon many like to typify them. Sure there is an element of old fashioned empire loving types who want to go it alone. But it would not be good for Britain.

When push comes to shove they will vote to stay in. But using it as a warning to the EU. It's a bit like Scottish independance. It will never happen but they like to keep it banging on about it as a warning to take them seriously.

It wouldn't be good for us is Britain left, but our links are too close for it to do real damage. Ireland is a huge market for Britain and vice versa.

But it would be a disaster for Northern Ireland. The loss of EU subsidies would not be made up by Westminster. The Nordies would vote en masse in favour of staying in. Not to mention the Welsh, Scots and the North of England.

Busted Flat.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You've obviously had a very different experience of Europe than I have then. I have always found the French to be seen as the outsiders, mainly because they have little or no interest in anything outside their borders.

Pot calling the kettle.

bluecode

bluecode wrote: »

When push comes to shove they will vote to stay in. But using it as a warning to the EU.

What sort of a warning? If they start using it as a negotiating tool they should be told to get lost.

If they do leave we (the remaining EU) should extract lots from them in exchange for a trade deal - I think we were too generous with Switzerland and Norway. If you want the benefits of the EU you need to sign up in full.