Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

dvemail · 09-01-2013 05:55PM

TheGunns wrote: »

Diaby and Frimpong would be welcomed back if they stay fit. Two good players, Frimpong shows a lot of promise and actually looks like someone who wants to play for the club. Love his hunger and intensity, hopefully he comes good and stays injury free.

Frimpong got himself sent off today so he stayed true to his usual self.
If he works on the discipline side of things then he may have a bright future at the club.

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 05:58PM

Galvasean wrote: »

I cannot fathom how an Arsenal fan would want us to finish outside the top 4 or be so deluded to think that it would inspire some sort of 'Phoenix from the ashes' scenario. Losing Champions League football really revitalized Liverpool FC. Oh wait, no it didn't!

Didn't revitalize us but we won a trophy and got to a final of another. Not sure I'd ever want Liverpool's one and only goal/achievement to be CL qualification.

09-01-2013 06:09PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Didn't revitalize us but we won a trophy and got to a final of another. Not sure I'd ever want Liverpool's one and only goal/achievement to be CL qualification.

Pretty sure I'd never trade Arsenal's position for Liverpools.

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 06:20PM

AdamD wrote: »

Pretty sure I'd never trade Arsenal's position for Liverpools.

Sometimes you have to take one step back to take two steps forward. I certainly wouldn't trade our last 8 years for Arsenals last 8 years in terms of on the pitch.

12gauge dave · 09-01-2013 06:24PM

jordainius wrote: »

How about addressing what I actually said rather than childish petulant bull**** like that??

I apologise if it was childish.

Yes i agree it will be harder to bring top players in but bar cazorla whens the last time we got a world class player in that has proved his worth?

In logic i agree it makes no sense to finish 5th or 6th but to keep finishing fourth isnt getting us anywhere either!

Lets hope the emirates deal gives wenger an increased wage limit to bring in world class players but its hard to see a big change in my opinion and hes not buying too wisely lately anyway.

All in all i agree losing out on a champions league spot has the promise to do more damage than good but what will it take to change whats going on? Because as long as they are getting that fourth place they wont change a thing

09-01-2013 06:24PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sometimes you have to take one step back to take two steps forward. I certainly wouldn't trade our last 8 years for Arsenals last 8 years in terms of on the pitch.

A champions league final is the only reason you're saying that. Liverpool have only been above Arsenal in one league season of those 8 iirc. The original argument is whether dropping out of the top 4 could help the club in the long run. Since Liverpool dropped out they've come 7th, 6th and 8th. A league cup doesn't make up for that, or even come close.

tayto lover · 09-01-2013 06:28PM

Still no signings and the rumours are drying up too.

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 06:34PM

AdamD wrote: »

A champions league final is the only reason you're saying that. Liverpool have only been above Arsenal in one league season of those 8 iirc. The original argument is whether dropping out of the top 4 could help the club in the long run. Since Liverpool dropped out they've come 7th, 6th and 8th. A league cup doesn't make up for that, or even come close.

No, it's an FA cup and Carling Cup. Finished above you in 08/09, 06/07, 05/06. Well Liverpool and Arsenal are a bit different to compare in that regard. In terms of money it doesn't make up for it, but I think winning a Carling Cup is better than losing in a 1/4 final of the champions league. Give me a trophy over losing champions league matches tbh.

09-01-2013 06:36PM

Rather watch top quality Champions league matches year in, year out, along with regular title challenges (last 2 years not so much, but before that we were challenging), than win the league cup tbh, you don't even see full line ups til the quarter final in that.

Matter of opinion of course, still think its hard to argue against Arsenal being in a far greater position at this moment in time.

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 06:47PM

AdamD wrote: »

Rather watch top quality Champions league matches year in, year out, along with regular title challenges (last 2 years not so much, but before that we were challenging), than win the league cup tbh, you don't even see full line ups til the quarter final in that.

Matter of opinion of course, still think its hard to argue against Arsenal being in a far greater position at this moment in time.

No doubt Arsenal are in a far better position at the moment, certainly off-field in terms of new stadium I'd easily swap with Arsenal in that regard but to me it looks like Kroenke and Wenger have little interest in actually competing for trophies or seriously trying which would frustrate me so much as a fan. Obviously Liverpool's current position or last 3-4 years have been pretty brutal but since the new owners their has been new impetus in getting back to success.

To me Arsenal seems like a club who have gone stale, a club/manager/team who's lost their desire and drive for trophies because they have just become so used to viewing CL qualification as success. At a certain point the club stopped aiming high and start accepting third/fourth best.

GeorgeBailey · 09-01-2013 06:50PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

but I think winning a Carling Cup is better than losing in a 1/4 final of the champions league. Give me a trophy over losing champions league matches tbh.

I know where you're coming from and I should feel the same but I don't. Champions league qualification (never mind making it to the quarters) all day for me over the Carling Cup.

greendom · 09-01-2013 06:55PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No doubt Arsenal are in a far better position at the moment, certainly off-field in terms of new stadium I'd easily swap with Arsenal in that regard but to me it looks like Kroenke and Wenger have little interest in actually competing for trophies or seriously trying which would frustrate me so much as a fan. Obviously Liverpool's current position or last 3-4 years have been pretty brutal but since the new owners their has been new impetus in getting back to success.

To me Arsenal seems like a club who have gone stale, a club/manager/team who's lost their desire and drive for trophies because they have just become so used to viewing CL qualification as success. At a certain point the club stopped aiming high and start accepting third/fourth best.

it's not a question of Arsenal going stale, but the league itself. Who can compete with City, Chelsea or United ? neither Arsenal or Liverpool with current financial models, that's for sure. Maybe Liverpool have the right idea. To go for trophies that the big boys aren't really interested in

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 07:02PM

greendom wrote: »

it's not a question of Arsenal going stale, but the league itself. Who can compete with City, Chelsea or United ? neither Arsenal or Liverpool with current financial models, that's for sure. Maybe Liverpool have the right idea. To go for trophies that the big boys aren't really interested in

Maybe instead of banking all of this profit and the club actually spent it on players then Arsenal might have a chance.

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greendom · 09-01-2013 07:06PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Maybe instead of banking all of this profit and the club actually spent it on players then Arsenal might have a chance.

It's true the board could be a lot more supportive. not City or Chelsea levels of course but more in keeping with the income generated

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 09-01-2013 07:15PM

If you think finishing outside the champions league places will somehow help us to catapult United/ City/ Chelsea than you are mistaken.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 09-01-2013 07:19PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No, it's an FA cup and Carling Cup. Finished above you in 08/09, 06/07, 05/06. Well Liverpool and Arsenal are a bit different to compare in that regard. In terms of money it doesn't make up for it, but I think winning a Carling Cup is better than losing in a 1/4 final of the champions league. Give me a trophy over losing champions league matches tbh.

By that logic would you take Birmingham over the last few years rather than Arsenal? Got relegated but who cares they won the Carling Cup. Sure who cares if they're only gonna be losing games in the premiership.

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 07:51PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

If you think finishing outside the champions league places will somehow help us to catapult United/ City/ Chelsea than you are mistaken.

I think it's more that it might help change the mind-set inside of Arsenal. As it the club is neck depth in a losing mentalitiy tbh. The manager is covered in it and so are the players. by finishing 5th it might help change that mind-set or at least it will mean a new manager.

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

By that logic would you take Birmingham over the last few years rather than Arsenal? Got relegated but who cares they won the Carling Cup. Sure who cares if they're only gonna be losing games in the premiership.

Bit different. By getting relegated it pretty much elemenates any chance of success in the future. You can consistently finish 6th,7th, 8th in the PL and still compete for cups, far more difficult to do that in the Championship.

Sergio · 09-01-2013 09:27PM

I think we have to try and win the FA cup this season. We all know its a fairly worthless trophy but its the winning feeling that the players need to feel again so it might spur them on to bigger and better things in the future.

emergingstar · 09-01-2013 09:29PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Maybe instead of banking all of this profit and the club actually spent it on players then Arsenal might have a chance.

Liverpool spent a load of money on players and they still don't have a chance

Mr Blobby · 09-01-2013 09:36PM

Sergio wrote: »

I think we have to try and win the FA cup this season. We all know its a fairly worthless trophy but its the winning feeling that the players need to feel again so it might spur them on to bigger and better things in the future.

No such thing as a worthless Trophy.

But I agree it would give are team a boost.

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 09:41PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Liverpool spent a load of money on players and they still don't have a chance

Ah sure why bother then? It seems this losing mentality has taken over some of the fans as well.

smileyj1987 · 09-01-2013 09:47PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Liverpool spent a load of money on players and they still don't have a chance

But at least we are spending money trying to fix our problems . I would rather see us trying to fix the problem and getting it wrong then deciding there is no problem at all .

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 09-01-2013 09:52PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

But at least we are spending money trying to fix our problems . I would rather see us trying to fix the problem and getting it wrong then deciding there is no problem at all .

I don't mean to speak on his behalf but I believe emergingstar is more arguing against the fact of wanting to fall out of the top four rather than supporting the club in not spending more money than it is now. I think everyone agrees that the club needs to spend more money now that it can again.

emergingstar · 09-01-2013 10:16PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Ah sure why bother then? It seems this losing mentality has taken over some of the fans as well.

I'd rather be 4th with 100 million in the bank

Than 7th or 8th after spending 100 million on Carrol, Henderson and Adam

Alot of fans can come on this forum and have a go at arsenal for not been successful on the pitch, but ya can be fcuked if I'm taking it off Liverpool fans

Yer worse off than us

Chucky the tree · 09-01-2013 10:19PM

emergingstar wrote: »

I'd rather be 4th with 100 million in the bank

Than 7th or 8th after spending 100 million on Carrol, Henderson and Adam

Alot of fans can come on this forum and have a go at arsenal for not been successful on the pitch, but ya can be fcuked if I'm taking it off Liverpool fans

Yer worse off than us

Sounds like it's past your bed time. You probably have an early start for school in the morning.

09-01-2013 10:27PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sounds like it's past your bed time. You probably have an early start for school in the morning.

emergingstar · 09-01-2013 10:28PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sounds like it's past your bed time. You probably have an early start for school in the morning.

Yeah that's it

bad2dabone · 09-01-2013 10:30PM

lets stop the fighting. The fact is for both Arsenal and Liverpool the landscape has changed, with the wealth of chelsea and city and the continued success of man u (respect them as much as i hate them) we've both been pushed back down the pecking order and we're not happy about it.

smileyj1987 · 09-01-2013 10:47PM

emergingstar wrote: »

I'd rather be 4th with 100 million in the bank
Than 7th or 8th after spending 100 million on Carrol, Henderson and Adam
Alot of fans can come on this forum and have a go at arsenal for not been successful on the pitch, but ya can be fcuked if I'm taking it off Liverpool fans
Yer worse off than us

At least we did try and fix the problems we got it wrong but at least we didn't sit back and say ahwell .

Does it not bother you that you are in the Champions League year after year get to Quarters and will more then likely be out of the competition . I would rather not be in it at all then to not stand a chance . That seems to be the Attitude at Arsenal now and its quite sad to see .

2ndcoming · 09-01-2013 11:06PM

Worth pointing out there's been a little thing in the Champions League while ye've been in the eastern Russian wilderness the past few years called the Greatest Team in living memory, if not ever, who we ran into twice, pushing pretty close at least the second time.

If ever there's been a model to follow, it's theirs. It's certainly not Liverpool's.

I admire what Rodgers is doing, and I'm fond of Liverpool as a club, but I wonder will you back here sympathising with Arsenal fans after your next 3 away games? You're clearly a very optimistic fan, but you might be underestimating just how far Liverpool have to go.

Out of interest, do you think they were right to sack Benitez? Had the players and the manager lost their winning mentality? Had the club gone stale? Did things need shaking up?

How has it worked out since?

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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