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Are most people non racist in public but actually racist in private.

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  • #212
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    cosbloodymick wrote: »
    Yet if you call somebody who is black a "black (insert abusive term)" you can be prosecuted for racism. Yet you can highlight any other characteristic of a person and use that characteristic in an abusive fashion and you are not open to prosecution.
    For instance calling someone a "Big nose or Baldy or Ginger (insert abusive term)" is permissable. Why is just highlighting skin colour a bigger deal than other characteristics? Shouldn't people abused in this fashion be accorded the same protection under the law as Black people?

    Dig me up some evidence of redheads being required to sit at the back of the bus, or the "gingers only" section of the restaurant, or a sign that says "no dogs no redheads" , and I will address your question then.
    Until then, find someone else to wind up because I dont have any goatmeat!


  • #213
    cosbloodymick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Dig me up some evidence of redheads being required to sit at the back of the bus, or the "gingers only" section of the restaurant, or a sign that says "no dogs no redheads" , and I will address your question then.
    Until then, find someone else to wind up because I dont have any goatmeat!

    Not intending to wind you up pal. What you are describing above is blatant racist discrimination and wrong imo, and there has never been any instance of similar happening to redheads or baldies or whatever. But people are called abusive names based on their physical characteristics all the time and that is not punishable under the law unless you happen to be called a black (insert abusive term). I fail to see the difference.


  • #214
    Scruffles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Scruffles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It goes against human nature to be completely oblivious to visual differences in how we look.

    We all make assumptions, no matter what colour our skin is.
    regardless of whether being 'completely oblivious' is diverting from the norm,some of us in society are unable to see and understand difference concepts in society.
    due to severe classic autism; have visualy and mentaly seen all humans as the same shape of flesh,an object all of the same worth-am unable to see any differences/discriminate, was unable to become aware of basic gender differences till late twenties and even still am not able to recognise the differences regardless of how many times am told or shown by staff.

    as for this thing about ireland,since when does personal accounts/peoples friends and who they know represent the entire country?
    ireland isnt a racist country- it is individual people who are racist,if we want to label people its xenophobic in itself to assume a nationality is racist based on their country of origin.

    some primal instincts from the early years of evolution included being fearful of difference to keep them safe from being injured/eaten,perhaps its this trait that fuels racism in racists and other forms of hate [eg, disablism,sexuality,LGBTQ,]? for some reason it coud be still active in these groups. :confused:


  • #215
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Are most humans human and liable to have opinions they won't (mostly) express openly in public? yes.
    :rolleyes:


  • #216
    9959
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Are most humans human and liable to have opinions they won't (mostly) express openly in public? yes.

    I think you might be confusing humans with politicians.


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  • #217
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    No, if you discriminate negativley beacause of race or ethnicity you are racist. Its not difficult to understand. If you believe one race/ethnic group to be superior to another because of that racial/ethnic difference you are racist.

    I'm afraid you've missed my point.

    Discrimination, as in the ability to discriminate between things; is the ability to recognize the differences. If you can discriminate between rum and vodka, you can taste the difference.

    You say that discriminating *NEGATIVELY* because of race or ethnicity makes someone racist.

    But how can anyone discriminate *POSITIVELY*? You can't. There is just discrimination.

    In the context of race and ethnicity you can't apply a positive attribute to one race without implicitly or explicitly applying the inverse to the others.

    If there *are* differences between the races, it's natural that people will have preferences. Some people like cats more than dogs. Other people like does more than cats. Physical shapes and colours that people find attractive are highly subjective.

    If I say, 'I love the way Asian girls look'; I'm discriminating between Asian girls and the rest of the other races. I can't associate a positive attribute to Asian girls without implicitly express a negative to the other races. I'm implicitly saying, 'I love the way Black, White, Hispanic, etc... girls LESS THAN Asians'.

    By acknowledging ANY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE about ANY race, you're racist. You are discriminating based on race. By definition.

    But there are a LOT of differences between races and ethnicity. The only way to not discriminate is to blindly pretend all races are the same. And ignoring the uniqueness of a race or culture is ALSO seen by most to be racist. 'Oh, who cares about X history? Everyone is the same!'

    Then you've got the inherent problem with things like 'diversity'.

    You can't acknowledge the concept of diversity without accepting that their ARE differences between races/ethnicity. People who promote diversity are saying that groups benefit when there is a variety of races *because* of the differences. Give me 10 TVs with different properties and I'm bound to like some of the TVs better than others. I can't like one TV more without liking another TV less.

    Any institution that values diversity and considers it in any way, is racist. You can't say, 'Gee, I think we need more of race X' without implicitly saying, 'I think we need less of race Y'. Even if your goal is a perfectly representative group; you're still actively discriminating. And there can't be positive or negative, there is just discrimination. Giving a preference to one ethnicity means giving less of a preference to every other ethnicity.

    Then you've got serious things like different races have different health problems and different life expectancies.

    I think we can all agree that heart disease is a bad thing. Or that obesity is a bad thing. And we know from empirical data, that different races are more or less likely to suffer from a particular illness.

    Is it racist if I say, 'I'd like a Japanese wife because she's less likely to die of heart disease than a white chick'?

    If actual data reflects measurable differences in the behaviour or physical attributes of different races, I'm racist if I express a preference; and that's bad. Being 'racist' is one of the worst things someone can be these days....

    But for everything else in the world that is different, if I express a preference, I'm normal.

    I have a lot of values; just like everyone else. I think being healthy is better than being sick. I think living longer is better than dying young. I think children should be raised by two parents. I think violent crime is worse than non-violent crime. I think education is good. Etc...etc...most of these aren't really unpopular opinions, but everyone is entitled to their own set of values.

    If you tell me, based on correct and factual information available, race X commits violent crime at a rate higher than race Y - I'm sorry, so long as that represents a statistically significant difference; I like race Y more than race X. If the life expectancy of race Y is longer than race X - I like race Y more than race X.

    So either people are naturally going to be racist, or you are going to tell me there are no measurable differences between the races (which, ironically, would make people label you a racist).


  • #218
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Seldom have I seen such a lesson in semantic obfuscation!
    You know what Discrimination means in the colloquial, so do I.
    We have both heard of positive discrimination, it is official policy in some states, including in Northern Ireland until recently with regard to to recruitment to the PSNI.
    Go wind up someone else, I don't have any Goatmeat to spare!


  • #219
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Seldom have I seen such a lesson in semantic obfuscation!
    You know what Discrimination means in the colloquial, so do I.
    We have both heard of positive discrimination, it is official policy in some states, including in Northern Ireland until recently with regard to to recruitment to the PSNI.
    Go wind up someone else, I don't have any Goatmeat to spare!

    I have never heard of positive discrimination and, even still, it can't exist without negatively discriminating against some other race.

    But, I haven't been in Ireland for very long though. Maybe it's a common thing here.

    Still, it's impossible. If you support 'positive discrimination' by race, you are also supporting 'negative discrimination' by race.
    And that is racist.


  • #220
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I have never heard of positive discrimination and, even still, it can't exist without negatively discriminating against some other race.

    But, I haven't been in Ireland for very long though. Maybe it's a common thing here.

    Still, it's impossible. If you support 'positive discrimination' by race, you are also supporting 'negative discrimination' by race.
    And that is racist.

    Positive discrimination originally cropped up to ensure that there was better representation of people of colour in positions of responsiblity. This annoyed a few white folk and they complained "if the person is good enough for the job, then they should get it, whatever their colour is". Ah, if only. But you see, for generations, merit and ability weren't a factor when it came to things like promotion, or even employment. Old, irrational prejudices held sway and people of colour were not allowed to "better" themselves.

    In an ideal, non racist world, such a concept would not exist. But we don't live in an ideal world.

    Although, I imagine being a highly paid college graduate, you can afford to dismiss the idea?


  • #221
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Dig me up some evidence of redheads being required to sit at the back of the bus, or the "gingers only" section of the restaurant, or a sign that says "no dogs no redheads" , and I will address your question then.
    Until then, find someone else to wind up because I dont have any goatmeat!


    Are you not living in the past a bit here wiley ? None of this stuff goes on anymore. It should have never happened but I think we are all paying for it today in one way or another.


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  • #222
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Seldom have I seen such a lesson in semantic obfuscation!
    You know what Discrimination means in the colloquial, so do I.
    We have both heard of positive discrimination, it is official policy in some states, including in Northern Ireland until recently with regard to to recruitment to the PSNI.
    Go wind up someone else, I don't have any Goatmeat to spare!

    Looks like this guy has bested you wiley ? You dont seem to have the answers for him, would you not reply to his comments rather than telling him to "wind up someone else" ?


  • #223
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I have never heard of positive discrimination and, even still, it can't exist without negatively discriminating against some other race.

    But, I haven't been in Ireland for very long though. Maybe it's a common thing here.

    Still, it's impossible. If you support 'positive discrimination' by race, you are also supporting 'negative discrimination' by race.
    And that is racist.

    Well said UCD vet ! I wish I had a bit of education it would help me to express my opinions in a less blunt way.


  • #224
    Dead Man Walking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Dead Man Walking


    As the thread has come to discussing positive discrimination. hopefully a bit of Larry will lighten the mood :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqUQ17sYm0


  • #225
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I have never heard of positive discrimination and, even still, it can't exist without negatively discriminating against some other race.

    But, I haven't been in Ireland for very long though. Maybe it's a common thing here.

    Still, it's impossible. If you support 'positive discrimination' by race, you are also supporting 'negative discrimination' by race.
    And that is racist.

    I would refer you to:
    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/positive-discrimination
    for a basic definition.
    For a more gerneral descripion of the counter discrimination strategy ( a strategy to counterbalance previous discrimination) try looking up :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action


    The term "affirmative action" was first used in the United States in Executive Order 10925 and was signed by President John F. Kennedy on 6 March 1961; it was used to promote actions that achieve non-discrimination. In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson enacted Executive Order 11246 which required government employers to take "affirmative action" to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin. In 1968, gender was added to the anti-discrimination list.[3] Comparable procedures in other countries are also known as reservation in India, positive discrimination in the United Kingdom, and employment equity in Canada.
    Affirmative action is intended to promote the opportunities of defined groups within a society. It is often instituted in government and educational settings to ensure that minority groups within a society are included in all programs. The stated justification for affirmative action by its proponents is that it helps to compensate for past discrimination, persecution or exploitation by the ruling class of a culture,[4] and to address existing discrimination.[5] The implementation of affirmative action, especially in the United States, is considered by its proponents to be justified by disparate impact.


  • #226
    Scanlas The 2nd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    UCDVet wrote: »

    I'm afraid you've missed my point.

    Discrimination, as in the ability to discriminate between things; is the ability to recognize the differences. If you can discriminate between rum and vodka, you can taste the difference.

    You say that discriminating *NEGATIVELY* because of race or ethnicity makes someone racist.

    But how can anyone discriminate *POSITIVELY*? You can't. There is just discrimination.

    In the context of race and ethnicity you can't apply a positive attribute to one race without implicitly or explicitly applying the inverse to the others.

    If there *are* differences between the races, it's natural that people will have preferences. Some people like cats more than dogs. Other people like does more than cats. Physical shapes and colours that people find attractive are highly subjective.

    If I say, 'I love the way Asian girls look'; I'm discriminating between Asian girls and the rest of the other races. I can't associate a positive attribute to Asian girls without implicitly express a negative to the other races. I'm implicitly saying, 'I love the way Black, White, Hispanic, etc... girls LESS THAN Asians'.

    By acknowledging ANY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE about ANY race, you're racist. You are discriminating based on race. By definition.

    But there are a LOT of differences between races and ethnicity. The only way to not discriminate is to blindly pretend all races are the same. And ignoring the uniqueness of a race or culture is ALSO seen by most to be racist. 'Oh, who cares about X history? Everyone is the same!'

    Then you've got the inherent problem with things like 'diversity'.

    You can't acknowledge the concept of diversity without accepting that their ARE differences between races/ethnicity. People who promote diversity are saying that groups benefit when there is a variety of races *because* of the differences. Give me 10 TVs with different properties and I'm bound to like some of the TVs better than others. I can't like one TV more without liking another TV less.

    Any institution that values diversity and considers it in any way, is racist. You can't say, 'Gee, I think we need more of race X' without implicitly saying, 'I think we need less of race Y'. Even if your goal is a perfectly representative group; you're still actively discriminating. And there can't be positive or negative, there is just discrimination. Giving a preference to one ethnicity means giving less of a preference to every other ethnicity.

    Then you've got serious things like different races have different health problems and different life expectancies.

    I think we can all agree that heart disease is a bad thing. Or that obesity is a bad thing. And we know from empirical data, that different races are more or less likely to suffer from a particular illness.

    Is it racist if I say, 'I'd like a Japanese wife because she's less likely to die of heart disease than a white chick'?

    If actual data reflects measurable differences in the behaviour or physical attributes of different races, I'm racist if I express a preference; and that's bad. Being 'racist' is one of the worst things someone can be these days....

    But for everything else in the world that is different, if I express a preference, I'm normal.

    I have a lot of values; just like everyone else. I think being healthy is better than being sick. I think living longer is better than dying young. I think children should be raised by two parents. I think violent crime is worse than non-violent crime. I think education is good. Etc...etc...most of these aren't really unpopular opinions, but everyone is entitled to their own set of values.

    If you tell me, based on correct and factual information available, race X commits violent crime at a rate higher than race Y - I'm sorry, so long as that represents a statistically significant difference; I like race Y more than race X. If the life expectancy of race Y is longer than race X - I like race Y more than race X.

    So either people are naturally going to be racist, or you are going to tell me there are no measurable differences between the races (which, ironically, would make people label you a racist).

    Fantastic post, whenever I hear the term "positive discrimination" it annoys me. It does not make any sense.

    I am a racist because I recognise the diversity of different "races". Although I really don't like the term "race" as it implies different species.

    I can discrimate and do discriminate between different races. All harmless discrimination.


  • #227
    HHobo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭HHobo


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Dig me up some evidence of redheads being required to sit at the back of the bus, or the "gingers only" section of the restaurant, or a sign that says "no dogs no redheads" , and I will address your question then.
    Until then, find someone else to wind up because I dont have any goatmeat!

    Are black people in Ireland required to sit at the back of the bus? Are there black people only sections in our restaurants, or signs that say
    "no dogs, no black people"? Were there in the past? Why are you asking about things that don't exist here?
    I don't recall a history of Irish people owning black slaves either. You seem almost to be suggesting that just because we are white, we are somehow inheriting the past crimes of other people solely by virtue of sharing a skin tone.


  • #228
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    HHobo wrote: »
    Are black people in Ireland required to sit at the back of the bus? Are there black people only sections in our restaurants, or signs that say
    "no dogs, no black people"? Were there in the past? Why are you asking about things that don't exist here?
    I don't recall a history of Irish people owning black slaves either. You seem almost to be suggesting that just because we are white, we are somehow inheriting the past crimes of other people solely by virtue of sharing a skin tone.

    I suggest you read the whole thread , when you do you will see whatb that pertinant post was replying to.


  • #229
    9959
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I'm afraid you've missed my point.

    Discrimination, as in the ability to discriminate between things; is the ability to recognize the differences. If you can discriminate between rum and vodka, you can taste the difference.

    You say that discriminating *NEGATIVELY* because of race or ethnicity makes someone racist.

    But how can anyone discriminate *POSITIVELY*? You can't. There is just discrimination.

    In the context of race and ethnicity you can't apply a positive attribute to one race without implicitly or explicitly applying the inverse to the others.

    If there *are* differences between the races, it's natural that people will have preferences. Some people like cats more than dogs. Other people like does more than cats. Physical shapes and colours that people find attractive are highly subjective.

    If I say, 'I love the way Asian girls look'; I'm discriminating between Asian girls and the rest of the other races. I can't associate a positive attribute to Asian girls without implicitly express a negative to the other races. I'm implicitly saying, 'I love the way Black, White, Hispanic, etc... girls LESS THAN Asians'.

    By acknowledging ANY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE about ANY race, you're racist. You are discriminating based on race. By definition.

    But there are a LOT of differences between races and ethnicity. The only way to not discriminate is to blindly pretend all races are the same. And ignoring the uniqueness of a race or culture is ALSO seen by most to be racist. 'Oh, who cares about X history? Everyone is the same!'

    Then you've got the inherent problem with things like 'diversity'.

    You can't acknowledge the concept of diversity without accepting that their ARE differences between races/ethnicity. People who promote diversity are saying that groups benefit when there is a variety of races *because* of the differences. Give me 10 TVs with different properties and I'm bound to like some of the TVs better than others. I can't like one TV more without liking another TV less.

    Any institution that values diversity and considers it in any way, is racist. You can't say, 'Gee, I think we need more of race X' without implicitly saying, 'I think we need less of race Y'. Even if your goal is a perfectly representative group; you're still actively discriminating. And there can't be positive or negative, there is just discrimination. Giving a preference to one ethnicity means giving less of a preference to every other ethnicity.

    Then you've got serious things like different races have different health problems and different life expectancies.

    I think we can all agree that heart disease is a bad thing. Or that obesity is a bad thing. And we know from empirical data, that different races are more or less likely to suffer from a particular illness.

    Is it racist if I say, 'I'd like a Japanese wife because she's less likely to die of heart disease than a white chick'?

    If actual data reflects measurable differences in the behaviour or physical attributes of different races, I'm racist if I express a preference; and that's bad. Being 'racist' is one of the worst things someone can be these days....

    But for everything else in the world that is different, if I express a preference, I'm normal.

    I have a lot of values; just like everyone else. I think being healthy is better than being sick. I think living longer is better than dying young. I think children should be raised by two parents. I think violent crime is worse than non-violent crime. I think education is good. Etc...etc...most of these aren't really unpopular opinions, but everyone is entitled to their own set of values.

    If you tell me, based on correct and factual information available, race X commits violent crime at a rate higher than race Y - I'm sorry, so long as that represents a statistically significant difference; I like race Y more than race X. If the life expectancy of race Y is longer than race X - I like race Y more than race X.

    So either people are naturally going to be racist, or you are going to tell me there are no measurable differences between the races (which, ironically, would make people label you a racist).

    I'll indulge you in your 'sophistry' just this once.

    Stating a preference for Rum over Vodka has nothing whatsoever to do with racial predjudice.
    Feel free to prefer dark rum to white rum, at the very basic level 'white rum' won't feel offended.
    I take it by your reference to TV's you mean televisions rather than transvestites, if the former then I'm sure you'll be fine, again no television that I'm aware of has ever complained of being demeaned, slighted or abused because of skin colour/ethnic difference.
    If the latter, then I really don't know why you would want someone to give you "10 TV's with different properties", perhaps you're just being greedy, I don't know much about transvestism, but if that's what floats your boat, good luck to you!

    "I love the way Asian girls look"

    Do you mean someone from Mumbai, Phnom Penh, Tehran or Sapporo, you've cast your net quite widely there, is there a specific look exclusive to your idealised version of 'Asian Girls' which can't be found in Europe, Africa or elsewhere. If so, what is it?

    "I'd like a Japanese wife because she's less likely to die of heart disease than a white chick"

    Personally I believe that love, compatibility, a shared sense of humour and so on trump an actuarial analysis of life expectancy due to potential cardiac arrest any day.
    Call me old-fashioned.

    "Gee, I think we need more of race X"
    Who said the above?
    Adduce

    Finally.
    Oxford Consise English Dictionary

    RACISM
    1a a believe in the superiority of a particular race; prejudice based on this.
    b antagonism towards, or discrimination against, other races, esp. as a result of this.
    2 the theory that human abilities etc. are determined by race.


  • #230
    Sadderday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Sadderday


    Seriously, take a chill pill


  • #231
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    I suggest you read the whole thread , when you do you will see whatb that pertinant post was replying to.

    Are you just IGNORING my posts wiley ? Thats discrimination.


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  • #232
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Are you just IGNORING my posts wiley ? Thats discrimination.

    How are you being discriminated against?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #233
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Are you just IGNORING my posts wiley ? Thats discrimination.

    I am unaware of any meaningful contribution that I have ignored.


  • #234
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Sadderday wrote: »
    Seriously, take a chill pill

    And how will that counter the problem? Will it dissolve racism?


  • #235
    Sadderday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Sadderday


    old hippy wrote: »
    And how will that counter the problem? Will it dissolve racism?
    Might take the blood pressure down a notch;

    listen, you cant fix it by getting onto boards.ie so relax


  • #236
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Sadderday wrote: »
    Might take the blood pressure down a notch;

    listen, you cant fix it by getting onto boards.ie so relax

    My blood pressure is fine and dandy, thanks. But rather than taking a chill pill, as you advocate and pretending that these problems don't exist, I maintain my stance of tackling it. Questioning it and hopefully, on occasion, making someone question their own outlook. I'm not always successful and there are people who will never change but its one of the blights of life that is worth addressing.

    Inequality, discrimination and all the ugliness that these entail should never, ever be met with a shrug of the shoulders.


  • #237
    Sadderday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Sadderday


    old hippy wrote: »
    My blood pressure is fine and dandy, thanks. But rather than taking a chill pill, as you advocate and pretending that these problems don't exist, I maintain my stance of tackling it. Questioning it and hopefully, on occasion, making someone question their own outlook. I'm not always successful and there are people who will never change but its one of the blights of life that is worth addressing.

    Inequality, discrimination and all the ugliness that these entail should never, ever be met with a shrug of the shoulders.




    while your on boards.ie there are people sitting in police stations around the country giving statements about being physically abused, mugged or whatever - racist attacks... and of course random attacks. If you want to make a difference - figure out a better way to do it. Shoving your opinion in everyones face doesnt fix anything. Your time, opinion, thoughts could be alot more useful elsewhere. You cant expect everyone to agree with you. Racism is ****ty, horrible yes... but what use is it sticking that on boards.ie

    My point is, some people say it, some people think it, some people don't want to know. When you figure out how to get through to the culprits you have a point until then you just hang onto your integrity, look after yourself and your family and treat others with respect. what else can you actually do??? seriously. You cannot fix it. But you can contribute to society by just being a decent person. So relax about it. When your face to face with an issue you deal with it and move on.... or else you will be carrying around this heavy, unhealthy opinion that everyone else is not as good natured as you.

    If you want to make change you can, but it wont happen here, your up against too much... so relax. Call that 'shrugging the shoulders' if you like, but i do my bit by being kind to whoever I meet and not engaging in anything to do with racism. You cant carry the world on your shoulders, this is bigger than any of us. You really need to realise that or it will consume you.


  • #238
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Are you not living in the past a bit here wiley ? None of this stuff goes on anymore. It should have never happened but I think we are all paying for it today in one way or another.


    Do please explain how "we are all paying for it today" etc....I'm intrigued.


  • #239
    9959
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    Sadderday wrote: »
    Might take the blood pressure down a notch;

    listen, you cant fix it by getting onto boards.ie so relax

    There is a small possibility, however minuscule, that someone reading this thread will alter their opinion based on the arguments posited.
    Sometimes all we have is words and their power to persuade, if words were meaningless we wouldn't use them.

    Why bother with discourse?
    Why have a conversation at all?
    Why are YOU posting if you believe that it doesn't matter and you can't 'fix it'?


  • #240
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Sadderday wrote: »
    while your on boards.ie there are people sitting in police stations around the country giving statements about being physically abused, mugged or whatever - racist attacks... and of course random attacks. If you want to make a difference - figure out a better way to do it. Shoving your opinion in everyones face doesnt fix anything. Your time, opinion, thoughts could be alot more useful elsewhere. You cant expect everyone to agree with you. Racism is ****ty, horrible yes... but what use is it sticking that on boards.ie

    My point is, some people say it, some people think it, some people don't want to know. When you figure out how to get through to the culprits you have a point until then you just hang onto your integrity, look after yourself and your family and treat others with respect. what else can you actually do??? seriously. You cannot fix it. But you can contribute to society by just being a decent person. So relax about it. When your face to face with an issue you deal with it and move on.... or else you will be carrying around this heavy, unhealthy opinion that everyone else is not as good natured as you.

    If you want to make change you can, but it wont happen here, your up against too much... so relax. Call that 'shrugging the shoulders' if you like, but i do my bit by being kind to whoever I meet and not engaging in anything to do with racism. You cant carry the world on your shoulders, this is bigger than any of us. You really need to realise that or it will consume you.

    I'll tell you what; you do your thing, imbibe your chill placebos, stop worrying about my blood pressure and I'll do my thing - shoving my oh- so- unpalatable opinion (that prejudice and discrimination needs to be tackled) in peoples faces :)


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  • #241
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    Fantastic post, whenever I hear the term "positive discrimination" it annoys me. It does not make any sense.

    I am a racist because I recognise the diversity of different "races". Although I really don't like the term "race" as it implies different species.

    I can discrimate and do discriminate between different races. All harmless discrimination.

    How does positive discrimination not make any sense? The PSNI had a quota system in favour of Catholics for damn good reasons, did it not make any sense?

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