Dissedent Republicans Warn Irish from Joining British

Zebra3 · 08-01-2013 06:44PM

tim9002 wrote: »

There are lots of jobs in the army that don't involve killing people, or at least the opportunity you have to kill people is minimal. Not everyone is interested in joining the infantry, many are interested in becoming communications specialists, armourers, caterers, engineers, the list is almost endless.

Wow, great to be out there merely supporting the child killers in illegal wars.

Classy!!! :rolleyes:

Dostoevsky · 08-01-2013 06:48PM

pithater1 wrote: »

Some people might want to join the BA as the IDF isn't currently recruiting.
Some people might want to join the BA as they are currently in a war and they want to do some actual soldiering.
Some people might want to join the BA because they had a family member do the same.
Some people might want to join the BA just because they want to.

Other people might not want to join the BA for their own reasons.

Point being that nobody should proclaim them as a 'target' because of what they chose to do.

Great. There goes the British state's shoot-to-kill policy against Irish people because they choose to fight for Irish freedom rather than join the British state's forces and fight for British foreign policy aims, such as kidnapping a man in Hong Kong in 2004 and delivering him to Libya for torture, denying everything and finally paying over £2 million when documents are revealed in Libya that the British state authorised this action as a means to build a closer relationship with Gadaffi's Libya in order to benefit from Libya's oil wealth?

The sheer evil of state violence is graphically encapsulated in that recent, and horrific revelation of how dark the British state's foreign policy can be.

I know two Irish people who joined the British Army. They were both distinguished by their lack of education and consequently their lack of career options in the world. Later in life, they both regretted the choice they made as young men. Educated people, not to mention ethical people, just don't go down such a road.

mickydoomsux · 08-01-2013 06:48PM

Still toting the 'child killers' ****e from the 70's in this thread?

Hilarious that the subject of the thread is dissedent Republicans. Now if we want to talk about actual child killers.......

DB10 · 08-01-2013 07:00PM

But they kill children in their illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, then laugh about it. These people are dehumanised to it. Remember them lads "kill team" I think they called themselves, that just murdered innocent civillians in Afghanistan for the fun of it. When their drones kill civillians , they dont give a ****e and neither do the media.

Dont get me wrong the IRA are no angels and many of them were/are just pure thugs, but holding the British Army up as some moral guardian of right and wrong, and talking about a "career" with them is just vomit inducing and typical war propaganda.

Pappa Charlie · 08-01-2013 07:02PM

I wonder how leaving the gardai for a 3 year career break to join the british army would go down! I hear there are quite a few considering it!

DB10 · 08-01-2013 07:02PM

On another note it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if the Special Branch had their men the Limerick Loonies release this rubbish in order to increase the Gardai budget which is currently being slashed.

Its what all police forces do, Met, PSNI, Gardai etc. They are no fools I can tell you that. We will see if Shatter falls for it.

knucklehead6 · 08-01-2013 07:36PM

Holy crap. This thread has now jumped the shark baby.

MakeEmLaugh · 08-01-2013 07:39PM

awec wrote: »

It's down to a bunch of drug dealers and gangsters who don't like the fact that bitterness and hatred are a thing of the past. They are doing this to put the fear in to people, in an attempt to stir things up again.

They are an irrelevance and they speak on behalf of nobody.

Words cannot express how much I loathe dissident republicans. However, I find your statement a bit confusing. If they are just drug-dealers, why would they murder policeman, soldiers and prison guards?

Arguably you could say they do so to give the impression that they are politically-motivated, when the truth is they are merely a criminal enterprise. Maybe so.

But surely anyone willing to kill a police constable or prison guard must be motivated by some kind of perverse interpretation of Irish nationalism? It doesn't help them make money, and draws attention to them from intelligence on both sides of the border.

Do they actually believe the men and women of 1916 would be on their side, or do they know well that this is untrue?

.jacksparrow. · 08-01-2013 07:43PM

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

Words cannot express how much I loathe dissident republicans. However, I find your statement a bit confusing. If they are just drug-dealers, why would they murder policeman, soldiers and prison guards?

Arguably you could say they do so to give the impression that they are politically-motivated, when the truth is they are merely a criminal enterprise. Maybe so.

But surely anyone willing to kill a police constable or prison guard must be motivated by some kind of perverse interpretation of Irish nationalism? It doesn't help them make money, and draws attention to them from intelligence on both sides of the border.

Do they actually believe the men and women of 1916 would be on their side, or do they know well that this is untrue?

How do you know they wouldn't they be on their side?

Pappa Charlie · 08-01-2013 07:58PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

How do you know they wouldn't they be on their side?

Please dont insult the people involved in 1916

Conall Cernach · 08-01-2013 08:00PM

DB10 wrote: »

Sounds like more rubbish from the Limerick Loonies. These guys arent even Republican Sinn Fein or CIRA. They are fringe group made up group by lunatics, many of whom I've no doubt are paid up agents.

I've no time for anyone joining the British Armed Forces though especially an Irishman. How many countries have they illegally occupied now with the help of the Yanks? Killing Civillians in Iraq and Afghanistan and torturing them for years. They done the same in the North.

And people in this thread have the gaul to call that a "career". They take any thug in just like the Americans. They are as bad as the worst of the Loyalist or Republican "terrorists".

What's more the state broadcaster RTE knows this and still decided to run with this "scoop". I'd say that is because the last time Willie Frazer thought to bring bus loads of Loyalists to Dublin it was RSF who led the peaceful protests. This is just an excuse for the Gardaí to get stuck into RSF next Saturday without anyone batting an eye.

StinkyMunkey · 08-01-2013 08:27PM

Dont think they would let me join the CIRA for a start, my IQ is higher than that of a cabbage.

If they really wanna do Ireland a favour, they should just all bite bullets.

Ireland would be alot happier and a safer place without retards running around threatening people and trying to kill others for a iniform they wear.

Most of Ireland has moved on from the troubles and has other worrys to consider. I could care less about who joins what army.

.jacksparrow. · 08-01-2013 08:36PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Please dont insult the people involved in 1916

Why what was the difference?please tell.

pablomakaveli · 08-01-2013 08:37PM

Dostoevsky wrote: »

I know two Irish people who joined the British Army. They were both distinguished by their lack of education and consequently their lack of career options in the world. Later in life, they both regretted the choice they made as young men. Educated people, not to mention ethical people, just don't go down such a road.

Well thats a load of bollocks for a start. I joined after completing an engineering degree and most of the people i know in the BA are hard-working and intelligent. You wont get very far if your not intelligent in any modern army.

DB10 wrote: »

But they kill children in their illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, then laugh about it. These people are dehumanised to it. Remember them lads "kill team" I think they called themselves, that just murdered innocent civillians in Afghanistan for the fun of it. When their drones kill civillians , they dont give a ****e and neither do the media.

Dont get me wrong the IRA are no angels and many of them were/are just pure thugs, but holding the British Army up as some moral guardian of right and wrong, and talking about a "career" with them is just vomit inducing and typical war propaganda.

It dont know where to start with this over the top nonsense. I swear it seems like some people have no idea what goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan whatsoever and fall over themselves to shout "childkillers" and "murderers" when in reality thats just complete crap.

0066ad · 08-01-2013 09:10PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Well thats a load of bollocks for a start. I joined after completing an engineering degree and most of the people i know in the BA are hard-working and intelligent. You wont get very far if your not intelligent in any modern army.

It dont know where to start with this over the top nonsense. I swear it seems like some people have no idea what goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan whatsoever and fall over themselves to shout "childkillers" and "murderers" when in reality thats just complete crap.

Yeah sure, it's just complete crap http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/afghanistan-iraq-wars-killed-132000-civilians-report-says/

StinkyMunkey · 08-01-2013 09:31PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

It dont know where to start with this over the top nonsense. I swear it seems like some people have no idea what goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan whatsoever and fall over themselves to shout "childkillers" and "murderers" when in reality thats just complete crap.

They seen it on utube and the news. Didnt you know thats always better than a first hand account. Just because you have been there doesnt mean you know more about it than a Forum Keyboard Warrior!

.jacksparrow. · 08-01-2013 09:36PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

They seen it on utube and the news. Didnt you know thats always better than a first hand account. Just because you have been there doesnt mean you know more about it than a Froum Keyboard Warrior!

Could say the same about dissidents been drug dealers etc,all seen on news and papers.

StinkyMunkey · 08-01-2013 09:43PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Could say the same about dissidents been drug dealers etc,all seen on news and papers.

Thugs and bullying dealers to give up there share of the profits maybe, but then again thats just heresay from people ive talked to.

Because i dont know any personally, just have talked to people who have more firsthand knowledge than me - they could be meeting up to hold hands and sing "come by ya". But i doubt it

pablomakaveli · 08-01-2013 09:47PM

0066ad wrote: »

Yeah sure, it's just complete crap http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/afghanistan-iraq-wars-killed-132000-civilians-report-says/

That article has numerous examples of how theres problems getting a correct figure of casualties and the problems with the figures they have.

Can you tell me how many of that 132,000 were shot by British and American forces?

.jacksparrow. · 08-01-2013 09:47PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Thugs and bullying dealers to give up there share of the profits maybe, but then again thats just heresay from people ive talked to.

Because i dont know any personally, just have talked to people who have more firsthand knowledge than me - they could be meeting up to hold hands and sing "come by ya". But i doubt it

Exactly.

0066ad · 08-01-2013 10:09PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

That article has numerous examples of how theres problems getting a correct figure of casualties and the problems with the figures they have.

Can you tell me how many of that 132,000 were shot by British and American forces?

Even if the British have just killed 1 of the 132,000 can you you tell me why?

pablomakaveli · 08-01-2013 10:11PM

0066ad wrote: »

Even if the British have just killed 1 of the 132,000 can you you tell me why?

I never said they havent killed any but this idea of British and American soldiers deliberately targetting civilians is nonsense.

.jacksparrow. · 09-01-2013 12:16AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I never said they havent killed any but this idea of British and American soldiers deliberately targetting civilians is nonsense.

You could say the ira didn't deliberately target civilians except once or twice just like America and Britain,which doesn't make it any easier for the people killed or caught up in the action,anyway this is going off topic.

wingsof daun · 09-01-2013 12:41AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I never said they havent killed any but this idea of British and American soldiers deliberately targetting civilians is nonsense.

It is jawdropping that some people still believe American/British soldiers didn't massacre civilians in Iraq. They treated the locals like animals, they were riding high on their imperialist horse over there. I almost feel some sympathy for the wretches who fought over there in a way. They were sucked into the military like fools, following captains orders and cheap cannon-fodder for the US/Britain. Their attitude is apalling, "we are Americans we can do what we like, ***k you". Fallujah beared the brunt of their insanity and inhumanity, but it was not localized to there. These yankee goons are on a different level of depravity than what I've seen from ira groups in the past.

09-01-2013 01:00AM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I love this expression 'dissident', dissent to what?...Dissent to reality? Talk about missing the memo. Why anyone even gives these clowns the oxygen of publicity is beyond me. These clowns were sitting on the fence while the Provos were actually fighting a war. The war has now ended, the main combatants have lowered their guns and reached a settlement. Amazing how these fúckwits have virtually done nothing against the Crown Forces. They where nowhere to be seen of course, when the Six Counties was one of the most heavily militarised regions in the world. They are nothing more than a shower of irrelevant and totally spineless idiots who are beyond being a joke. I always find it very amusing when you see the ages of the some guys convicted of 'dissident' activity. So many were toddlers when the war ended, they haven't a clue of what it was like in the bad old days.

For many of the scum still in the CIRA, its merely a flag of convenience. Its a licence to cause mayhem under a 'political activist' veil.

09-01-2013 01:02AM

wingsof daun wrote: »

It is jawdropping that some people still believe American/British soldiers didn't massacre civilians in Iraq. They treated the locals like animals, they were riding high on their imperialist horse over there. I almost feel some sympathy for the wretches who fought over there in a way. They were sucked into the military like fools, following captains orders and cheap cannon-fodder for the US/Britain. Their attitude is apalling, "we are Americans we can do what we like, ***k you". Fallujah beared the brunt of their insanity and inhumanity, but it was not localized to there. These yankee goons are on a different level of depravity than what I've seen from ira groups in the past.

Oh i agree 100%. They have far too much autonomy firstly and yet their actions were no better then the IRA. Of course because of their status and power in the world they get away with it. They have the western world fooled into believing that they are the great protagonists

grenache · 09-01-2013 09:58AM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

You could say the ira didn't deliberately target civilians except once or twice just like America and Britain,which doesn't make it any easier for the people killed or caught up in the action,anyway this is going off topic.

Oh dear :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred · 09-01-2013 10:01AM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

You could say the ira didn't deliberately target civilians except once or twice just like America and Britain,which doesn't make it any easier for the people killed or caught up in the action,anyway this is going off topic.

No, no you couldn't.

.jacksparrow. · 09-01-2013 10:12AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No, no you couldn't.

I'm saying it holds just as much weight as saying America or Britain didn't,which isn't a great deal.

Fratton Fred · 09-01-2013 10:16AM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I'm saying it holds just as much weight as saying America or Britain didn't,which isn't a great deal.

but it doesn't.

I've no doubt that some British and American soldiers may have killed and/or murdered innocent people in Iraq and elsewhere, but the strategy of the American and British militaries was to avoid civilian casualities.

The IRA had a very clear strategy of targeting civilians.

Dissedent Republicans Warn Irish from Joining British

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