Dissedent Republicans Warn Irish from Joining British

lcrcboy

News article from Journal.ie:
http://www.thejournal.ie/death-threat-british-army-744725-Jan2013/

Limerick Leader:
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local/republicans-issue-threat-to-british-army-targets-1-4652249

So what do you reckon lads is this starting to get out of hand?? should the government use a firm hand when dealing with these fringe groups.
Do you reckon this is all down to the recession or is it to do with something else.

Biggins

Threats from out of date Neanderthals.

Stuff them!

awec

The recession?

It's down to a bunch of drug dealers and gangsters who don't like the fact that bitterness and hatred are a thing of the past. They are doing this to put the fear in to people, in an attempt to stir things up again.

They are an irrelevance and they speak on behalf of nobody.

admiralofthefleet

little children throwing their toys out of the pram

SniperSight

I love how they say,

The moment you donn a British uniform you become a legitimate IRA target.....

Whilst parading around in British DPM combat shirts!!

the_syco

It added: “Whether they are motivated by financial reasons or a sense of adventurism, we take this opportunity to say that the moment you don a British uniform you become a legitimate target for the IRA.”

Between 60 and 70 people - some of whom were dressed in full military fatigues - took part in the commemoration which began at Bedford Row before making its way to the Republican plot at Mount Saint Lawrence cemetery.

After making such a statement, every single f**king one of them should have been tossed into a riot van, and held until they give up names.

Border-Rat

SniperSight wrote: »

I love how they say,

The moment you donn a British uniform you become a legitimate IRA target.....

Whilst parading around in British DPM combat shirts!!

The vegetation of Britain is identical to Ireland's. The uniform is highly effective.

Not that dissidents will ever use it. But case in point: When the Provisional IRA successfully ambushed British soldiers, they wore it. Nice blend with the local terrain. Same in the free state when it helped a single ASU dressed in it humiliate the Irish defense forces by escaping, despite being surrounded by a unit heavily armed with tanks.

HoggyRS

I don't think any self respecting person should join the British Army, Irish or not.

SniperSight

I'm aware of the abilities and uses of the camo. THEY THEMSELVES mention simply wearing british uniforms as reason enough to be targeted but they don't seem to see the irony of wearing a british styled uniform.

But heres hoping they cop on to the fact and start off-ing each other!

Kristopherus

the_syco wrote: »

After making such a statement, every single f**king one of them should have been tossed into a riot van, and held until they give up names.

I'd march them to the Cliffs of Moher and give them just one option.:mad:

dd972

Never understood those wanting to join the British Army, even Brits, I know a lot do it for a job or career, and there must be an element of those nationalist types ( we have them here too ) who swallow everything about the primacy of their country.

Nation states are essentially fictitious abstract creations, 200 plus years ago ( which isn't a long time offset against the history of the planet ) Us, Germany, Belgium, Italy etc didn't exist and may not exist again in another 200 years.

awec

dd972 wrote: »

Never understood those wanting to join the British Army, even Brits, I know a lot do it for a job or career, and there must be an element of those nationalist types ( we have them here too ) who swallow everything about the primacy of their country.

Nation states are essentially fictitious abstract creations, 200 plus years ago ( which isn't a long time offset against the history of the planet ) Us, Germany, Belgium, Italy etc didn't exist and may not exist again in another 200 years.

There is very good money in it for people who leave school with few qualifications. Good career prospects in terms of potential for promotion as well as training that will be useful should you ever leave.

I reckon there are very few people who join up for the whole patriotic national pride thing.

syklops

Border-Rat wrote: »

The vegetation of Britain is identical to Ireland's. The uniform is highly effective.

Not that dissidents will ever use it. But case in point: When the Provisional IRA successfully ambushed British soldiers, they wore it. Nice blend with the local terrain. Same in the free state when it helped a single ASU dressed in it humiliate the Irish defense forces by escaping, despite being surrounded by a unit heavily armed with tanks.

Welcome to my (and probably MI6/GCHQ/PSNI/AGS's) worry list.

The_Kew_Tour

The same IRA who have killed there own people.

They are the lowest form of Human beings you can get.

syklops

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The same IRA who have killed innocent irish people, people doing their shopping, people out for the day..

They are the lowest form of Human beings you can get.

FYP, but the sentiment remains the same. Calling them scum gives scum a bad name.

MaxSteele

Time to just send in the Irish ARW under the radar and just clean fcuking house with these scumbags black ops style.

who the fug

syklops wrote: »

Welcome to my (and probably MI6/GCHQ/PSNI/AGS's) worry list.

By worry I take it you mean Walter Mitty list

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

Border-Rat wrote: »

the Irish defense forces .... heavily armed with tanks.

:D:D:D

Gobshite.

HoggyRS

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The same IRA who have killed there own people.

They are the lowest form of Human beings you can get.

Who do you consider "there(sic) own people"? The CIRA have only killed a handful of people, which ones do you consider their own?

RoyalMarine

HoggyRS wrote: »

I don't think any self respecting person should join the British Army, Irish or not.

care to elaborate?

knucklehead6

Edit Silly post... deleted

Franticfrank

Even though the plot against the soldier in Limerick at Christmas seemed very real, I'd wager that much of this talk is just empty rhetoric from attention seeking scumbags. Murdering an unarmed British soldier home on leave from fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan seems very cowardly and it would their cause more harm than good. Nutcases.

Matt_Trakker

I don't really get why you'd want to join the british army either, them lads go off fighting illegal wars and get themselves blown up/shot at/spit at/killed. The hell with that, Irish army Defence Force and neutrality FTW.

And I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd want to die for another country...well any country tbh, but especially one that f*cked us over so much over the years.........yes, yes, we f*cked them over a good few times too, but ya never hear of a british person joining the Irish army defence force

who the fug

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I don't really get why you'd want to join the british army either, them lads go off fighting illegal wars and get themselves blown up/shot at/spit at/killed. The hell with that, Irish army Defence Force and neutrality FTW.

And I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd want to die for another country...well any country tbh, but especially one that f*cked us over so much over the years.........yes, yes, we f*cked them over a good few times too, but ya never hear of a british person joining the Irish army defence force

My cousin did

P_1

Some people might want to join the BA as the IDF isn't currently recruiting.
Some people might want to join the BA as they are currently in a war and they want to do some actual soldiering.
Some people might want to join the BA because they had a family member do the same.
Some people might want to join the BA just because they want to.

Other people might not want to join the BA for their own reasons.

Point being that nobody should proclaim them as a 'target' because of what they chose to do.

RoyalMarine

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

yes, yes, we f*cked them over a good few times too, but ya never hear of a british person joining the Irish army defence force

I was in the Irish defense force for 4 years and I'm British.

gobnaitolunacy

pithater1 wrote: »

Some people might want to join the BA as the IDF isn't currently recruiting.
Some people might want to join the BA as they are currently in a war and they want to do some actual soldiering.
Some people might want to join the BA because they had a family member do the same.
Some people might want to join the BA just because they want to.

Other people might not want to join the BA for their own reasons.

Point being that nobody should proclaim them as a 'target' because of what they chose to do.

I don't agree with what the BA are doing, but ppl shouldn't be singled out as a 'target'...even though it seems yet another load of wind and p*ss from the 'dissidents'.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Some people might want to join the BA as they are currently in a war and they want to do some actual soldiering.

by soldiering do you mean kill people in a foreign country? not all that different from what the republicans want to do.

Matt_Trakker

who the fug wrote: »

My cousin did

Why did he join?

RoyalMarine wrote: »

I was in the Irish defense force for 4 years and I'm British.

So why didn't you join you own country's army?

Honest to jaysus question for both of ye lads...
What motivated these decisions? Why join a foreign army?

RoyalMarine

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Why did he join?



So why didn't you join you own country's army?

Honest to jaysus question for both of ye lads...
What motivated these decisions? Why join a foreign army?

Career, money, something to do, experience and so on and so forth.

P_1

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

by soldiering do you mean kill people in a foreign country? not all that different from what the republicans want to do.

Well, yes. Technically.

Soldiering for some could be compared with/ defined as, say, playing football for your local team.

Lets say one team doesn't play matches, all they do is train. Another team does play matches.

Now it would be understandable if somebody would actually want to play a match so they go and join the team who play the matches.

Now for others soldiering could be compared with/ defined as , as you said, killing people in a foreign country.

It all depends on how you compare/define something. Last time I checked, we were in a democracy so that leaves you free to compare/define something as you see fit provided that it's legal.

The BA is a legal organisation so joining it is legal.
The IRA is an illegal organisation so joining it is illegal.

seamus

Hey, CIRA and RSF. Last time I checked, nobody voted for you. You have no authority to speak for the Irish people and you do not have my permission to do anything in my name except FOAD please. Thanks.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

pithater1 wrote: »

Well, yes. Technically.

Soldiering for some could be compared with/ defined as, say, playing football for your local team.

Lets say one team doesn't play matches, all they do is train. Another team does play matches.

Now it would be understandable if somebody would actually want to play a match so they go and join the team who play the matches.

Now for others soldiering could be compared with/ defined as , as you said, killing people in a foreign country.

It all depends on how you compare/define something. Last time I checked, we were in a democracy so that leaves you free to compare/define something as you see fit provided that it's legal.

The BA is a legal organisation so joining it is legal.
The IRA is an illegal organisation so joining it is illegal.

oh yeah im sure it's a rush and gives young men a great sense of purpose in life, I wasn't trying to say all soldiers are evil baby killing monsters I just don't have much sympathy for people who sign up for a volunteer army to fight in an aggressive war.

philologos

lcrcboy wrote: »

News article from Journal.ie:
http://www.thejournal.ie/death-threat-british-army-744725-Jan2013/

Limerick Leader:
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local/republicans-issue-threat-to-british-army-targets-1-4652249

So what do you reckon lads is this starting to get out of hand?? should the government use a firm hand when dealing with these fringe groups.
Do you reckon this is all down to the recession or is it to do with something else.

I think we're worse to give disproportionate attention to it. The sooner most people in the North forget tribalism of all kinds the better.

laugh

Apparently they were planning to kill a young man who is a british soldier when he came home to Dublin for Christmas.

If they kill an innocent irish national in these times, they will get a real idea of what the public sentiment is towards them.

P_1

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

oh yeah im sure it's a rush and gives young men a great sense of purpose in life, I wasn't trying to say all soldiers are evil baby killing monsters I just don't have much sympathy for people who sign up for a volunteer army to fight in an aggressive war.

As is your right, however that wouldn't give you the right to publicly threaten to kill them.

Not that I'm suggesting that you, in particular, would do such a thing, just making the point.

Matt_Trakker

RoyalMarine wrote: »

Career, money, something to do, experience and so on and so forth.

Wouldn't you have earned more with the BA? And you certainly would've had more to do, seen more action anyway, are the Irish lads even involved in anything at the minute?

RoyalMarine

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Wouldn't you have earned more with the BA? And you certainly would've had more to do, seen more action anyway, are the Irish lads even involved in anything at the minute?

I was 16 at the time and joined the reserves. I wanted a career in the military and joining the reserves gave me enough insight into what area I wanted to go into.

Financially, at 16 getting paid for annual camp, gratuity etc was great.

Always had plenty to do. Got to learn to drive, shoot and so on..

Matt_Trakker

RoyalMarine wrote: »

I was 16 at the time and joined the reserves. I wanted a career in the military and joining the reserves gave me enough insight into what area I wanted to go into.

Financially, at 16 getting paid for annual camp, gratuity etc was great.

Always had plenty to do. Got to learn to drive, shoot and so on..

OK, but what was it swung you to join the Irish rather than the British?
I'm presuming you had a choice or did you just join the Irish because you moved here? I really know sweet FA about both armies and I'm interested to know why a foreign national would join another country's army.
Did the Irish army offer better chances for you regarding what you wanted to do? Surely the British army would offer more seeing as it's so much bigger/more resources etc.
Forgive my ignorance but I really don't know much about the subject and I'd like to know a bit more about it.

Franticfrank

I really know sweet FA about both armies and I'm interested to know why a foreign national would join another country's army.

Irishmen have fought in foreign armies for centuries. Look at cases like the Spanish Civil War, Vietnam, etc. Irishmen were even fighting in an SS unit at the gates of Berlin just before the war ended. For many, the Irish army doesn't offer a true military career. For somebody searching for a career in a tank unit, the Irish military just isn't an option so they go elsewhere.

And I don't understand why Irish lads joining the British army is the main topic of discussion. What about the French Foreign Legion? Quite a few Irish soldiers joined that unit and enjoyed interesting military careers all over the world. Taking the French and British militaries into question, they offer things the Irish army simply can't. When you join the legion, you learn French, are perhaps stationed in South America, make a huge pool of international contacts and really experience something unique. It can't be compared to the Irish military.

Terrontress

I heard it said before by someone in military recruitment that those from the 26 counties are amongst the most dedicated personnel in the UK forces. If you live in England, Scotland or Wales you can walk in to a recruitment office in the town centre, next door to Starbucks and be in a training camp in a month's time. If you live in Northern Ireland it takes three months to do security checks on you after having been to an army base. If you live South of the border, you face the disdain of your neighbours, you have to travel to an Army recruitment office and then it takes nine months for security checks. After all that if you are still prepared to join you can bet you are going to be a very dedicated soldier or officer.

seamus

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I really know sweet FA about both armies and I'm interested to know why a foreign national would join another country's army.

Happens all the time all over the place. There can be a number of reasons;
- Someone may feel that the training or opportunities in a foreign army are superior that those offered at home
- There may be ideological reasons why they dislike their own country's forces or prefer another country's; e.g. some American citizens were found in Iraq with Iraqi insurgents, fighting against American forces
- They may be restricted or prevented from joining the forces at home but can qualify in another country

The French foreign legion had a reputation as a magnet for vaggabonds, people who were trying to escape a poor life in their home country or leave behind a criminal past. That kind of stuff has pretty much ended now but it's still popular and regarded as an elite force worth working for if solidering is your thing.

Military work is generally seen as a career vocation as much as, if not more than, an ideological one. While patriotism plays a part, many soldiers join the military to be a solider, not because they want to protect their country.

The_Kew_Tour

HoggyRS wrote: »

Who do you consider "there(sic) own people"? The CIRA have only killed a handful of people, which ones do you consider their own?

Well they say they represent the Republic right?(not in mine or 99.9% of people)

All the IRA are the same be it CIRA or whatever.

the_syco

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

The hell with that, Irish army Defence Force and neutrality FTW.

The one with a freeze on recruitment? I've also heard of some people joining the BA as there's a glass ceiling in the Irish Defence Forces, but not sure how true that is.

Matt_Trakker

the_syco wrote: »

there's a glass ceiling.

A wha?

awec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

A wha?

He means your career can only progress so far before you sort of hit a wall and can't go any further. I think.

seamus

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

A wha?

An invisible barrier.
The glass ceiling meaning that as you progress, you can see the guys at the top and you get the impression that you can progress in your career to become one of the guys at the top, but at some point you hit the glass ceiling and find you are prevented from progressing any further.

It also refers to instances where companies claim to have a transparent and open promotions process, when in reality you will never progress to the upper echelons unless you're one of the chosen few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_ceiling

Even though that article refers to women and minorities, the phrase is now in general use to describe any company which engages in the "old boys club" promotions mentality rather than promotions on merit.

tim9002

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

by soldiering do you mean kill people in a foreign country? not all that different from what the republicans want to do.

There are lots of jobs in the army that don't involve killing people, or at least the opportunity you have to kill people is minimal. Not everyone is interested in joining the infantry, many are interested in becoming communications specialists, armourers, caterers, engineers, the list is almost endless.

the_syco

awec wrote: »

He means your career can only progress so far before you sort of hit a wall and can't go any further. I think.

This. I'm not too sure about it, but it was something to do with NCO to officer, and/or the lack of places/chances to get promoted above a certain level.

awec

I'd say that's down to the relatively small size of the IDF and the fact that there can only be a set number of individuals at each rank. You can't get promoted until someone above you gets promoted, and that means someone above them needs promoted etc.

knucklehead6

awec wrote: »

I'd say that's down to the relatively small size of the IDF and the fact that there can only be a set number of individuals at each rank. You can't get promoted until someone above you gets promoted, and that means someone above them needs promoted etc.

What have the Israeli Defence Forces got to do with it???