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Foreign Marriage and Foreign Divorce

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Historically it was the former health boards that handled the registration of deaths, births and marriages. Probably due to their connections with hospitals where the majority of deaths and births took place. When the health boards were disbanded the HSE took over.

    Ah penny dropped. Still, in this day and age why the eff the HSE are still involved playing 'divorce cop' is beyond me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Cathyht


    The current situation is a nightmare, even after 7 years' living apart from my ex who was from another EU member state, it cost far more to be divorced. Once it becomes multi-jurisdictional, the lawyers must clap their hands in delight. No point in trying for a DIY divorce either, it isn't allowed.

    My Nordic ex, was happily living in Turkey, outside the EU, without forwarding his address. (Probably to avoid being caught for little things like child support etc). He could marry again there or in his own EU country after living apart from me for 2 or 3 years. He was as free as a bird. I on the other hand was still 'married' because I was Irish and we married here. It took over 8 years after we had been living together, to get a divorce, which ended up costing over 5k. I was 'awarded costs', which meant I paid, and he was responsible if he was back here and they could get him - some chance of that!

    In a bizarre twist, because he wouldn't get a solicitor, my solicitor acted for him too. He agreed to a divorce only if I didn't look for anything from him (which I had never sought anyway). Apparently it was the first time a divorce here was dealt with through email and accepted with an electronic signature. Even though the property is registered in my sole name, the lending institution won't take his name off the mortgage as my earnings supposedly aren't high enough, even though I've now been paying the mortgage for over 11 years singlehandedly without any type of maintenance or child support. I feel the system doesn't serve married people divorcing very well. It all seems quite straightforward if you're Irish, your partner is Irish and neither of you are ever leaving here or would marry a non-Irish person.

    The Irish divorce system penalises the most law abiding people who actually have most respect for marriage. It facilitates those who have no ties in Ireland and no respect for marital status or law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Cathyht wrote: »
    it cost far more to be divorced. Once it becomes multi-jurisdictional, the lawyers must clap their hands in delight.
    Cathyht wrote: »
    to get a divorce, which ended up costing over 5k

    Five grand?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Cathyht


    1k for the Barrister for one day. Then the Solicitor pretended to do a GREAT deal for me by "only" charging almost another 5k. I paid him another 4,200 amid lots of arguing about the extortionate charge. He threatened to bring me to the civil court and put a charge on my home, with some ridiculous interest rate. Robbery, there was no property to settle, no custody, visitation rights, no child support or alimony to settle, myself and ex at that point both agreed to the divorce. House was in my name in land registry already, so that wasn't an issue but the mortgage remained in both names, as I said the Bank won't do anything about that despite the fact I've been paying the mortgage by myself well over a decade. I've almost finished paying it now anyway, another thing that won't matter very soon. All in all it has cost a lot and taken AGES.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Cathyht wrote: »
    All in all it has cost a lot and taken AGES.

    So that left your solicitor with less than €3,500 plus VAT, for divorce work with complications concerning an unrepresented respondent who was out of the jurisdiction, and a case which took years.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Cathyht


    No, I applied after 7 years living apart. Yes, it was multi-jurisdictional, however, as we both agreed on it, there was nothing sought from either party, it was really just the Irish divorce paper which was required in this country. Both I and my ex responded very quickly, any problems after my application were caused by the solicitor as a matter of fact.
    It was a large bill, and considering how other countries would view a marriage where both parties are living apart well over 7 years and agreed to the divorce, it is ridiculous.

    I'm sure he was well paid for every second he spent on it.

    The AGES I was referring to was the final detail where the Bank has the ex's name on the mortgage. In fact, in all other divorces, this aspect is dealt with DURING the divorce by the solicitor.

    However, I am sure you are either The AH Solicitor I used, or Another one, so your sympathies will lie with the one charging huge fees for some paperwork, incompletely and very tardily done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Cathyht wrote: »
    It was a large bill, and considering how other countries would view a marriage where both parties are living apart well over 7 years and agreed to the divorce, it is ridiculous.
    Which other countries do you mean? Are you saying you would have got a lesser bill in these other countries? How much?
    Cathyht wrote: »
    I'm sure he was well paid for every second he spent on it.
    Hardly market rate.
    Cathyht wrote: »
    The AGES I was referring to was the final detail where the Bank has the ex's name on the mortgage. In fact, in all other divorces, this aspect is dealt with DURING the divorce by the solicitor.
    Really, and if the bank would not agree to discharge the mortgage which is in joint names, how do you propose that the solicitor would go about dealing with this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Cathyht


    You seem to have a great interest in my particular divorce and the cost, Mustard Seed. I know exactly what went on there, you are surmising from the bare bones.

    However, happily I don't need anymore advice on it, it's finished and I've moved on, things worked out extremely well for me, in spite of the solicitor being worse than my ex. I only wish him all the unpleasant karma he deserves.

    Your opinion isn't really of interest, which is why I've put you on my Ignore list.

    I was making the point on this forum generally, that in Ireland any aspect of marriage and non nationals, or marriages/divorce outside the state create unnecessary problems and extra expense. Even on this forum, there are so many stories of people's second marriages not recognised here, lots of extra expense to re-divorce, so Ireland will recognise it etc. People being married in the North or in England.

    Anyway, I've since found a very good solicitor who charges reasonable rates for excellent work, it is immediately recognisable when you have a good solicitor rather than a con man. And, the wonder of the age, she is not at all condescending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Go cruise some billy goats.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭waylander2002


    I married a ukrainaian lady a number of years ago in Ukraine after a time I realised she was using me me. I asked her to return to Ukraine and she did. I had some friends there and I quickly applied for divorce , she refused to go to the court and on the 5th time the judge granted it. I had given my lawyer rights to act on my behalf.In total it cost me 200 euros, I realise how lucky i am to escape. And received my papers quickly, she hadnt married me for 3 years and was unable to return to ireland. I met my new partner 2 years ago and we now have a baby girl , we wanted to get married and I applied and had my papers translated , they asked then for either my exs birthcert or the marriage cert, the marriage cert had been confiscated by the court and I asked her for the birth cert and she refused, in Ukraine they will only issue them to the owner. Seems like I cannot marry here at all now, its very upsetting. I had a scanned copy of both certs btw, does anyone have any suggestions?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 zehuds


    Yeah would love to know myself I married an Albanian Lady, we got married in Albania 14 years ago, the marriage ended 2.5 years ago and she moved to live in ENgland with the kids, would really like to get a divorce and get this all sorted anyone know the best way to go about this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 hash82


    Dear Sir/Madam! just a quarry about my case related, please anyone guide me

    I was getting married in Ireland with an Estonian Girl & then after couple of years she got divorce from me from her country due to some personal issues and uncertain reasons, after having a final divorce documents in my hand, then i get married in Pakistan Now before i bring my current wife in Ireland from Pakistan i would like to know that do i have to register or submit my divorce documents in any of the Government Department of Ireland for their record & to save my time and hassles in the processing of my current spouse visa.

    Hoping to hear from you soon,

    Regards,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 hash82


    Dear Sir/Madam! just a quarry about my case related, please anyone guide me

    I was getting married in Ireland with an Estonian Girl & then after couple of years she got divorce from me from her country due to some personal issues and uncertain reasons, after having a final divorce documents in my hand, then i get married in Pakistan Now before i bring my current wife in Ireland from Pakistan i would like to know that do i have to register or submit my divorce documents in any of the Government Department of Ireland for their record & to save my time and hassles in the processing of my current spouse visa.

    Hoping to hear from you soon,

    thanks

    Regards,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 hash82


    thanks of millions


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