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Is it time to stop giving to third world countries and use the money here.

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  • #62
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    ye penny -pinching cavanesque hoors, we're paying nearly 3 times as much as you bums.


  • #63
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    repsol wrote: »
    Wake up people.We have Irish citizens whose toddler has Cancer having to beg people to buy a charity record to fund her treatment, kids living in squalid conditions in Irish hospitals etc and we are sending millions out to the far side of the world to feed someone elses kids. What the hell is wrong with you people????????
    Strangely I'm not convinced by the concern you express for those suffering in this country: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82040937&postcount=284


  • #64
    repsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Strangely I'm not convinced by the concern you express for those suffering in this country: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82040937&postcount=284

    Are you seriously comparing the suffering a family with a child who has Cancer, with someone who has lost their job? You are deluded.People with a sick child would swop their job to have a healthy child you sicko!I am involved with an organisation which raises money for charity every year and give up my time to do it.We only raise for charities based in this country,no overseas.Convincing some sad case with nothing better to do than troll through old threads looking to score points is not high on my list of priorities funnily enough.


  • #65
    Diairist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 373 ✭✭Diairist


    To add insult to injury, it wasn't about Ethiopia, it was about rebels (& their families) in Eritrea. I gather most of it rotted on the quays in Addis A. (We won't debate the morality of how much of an Irish person's charitable contribution was meant to go to the 15 year old sitting on the truck with an AK 47 to prevent the aid being stolen before reaching the hungry...)


  • #66
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    To everyone in support of the state borrowing money, which I as a taxpayer must repay with interest, to give to overseas in aid of disputable worth, can I ask firstly what proportion of YOUR OWN INCOME you donate to charities abroad?
    Or is it just that you'd like to force others to pay on your behalf?


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  • #67
    repsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    To everyone in support of the state borrowing money, which I as a taxpayer must repay with interest, to give to overseas in aid of disputable worth, can I ask firstly what proportion of YOUR OWN INCOME you donate to charities abroad?
    Or is it just that you'd like to force others to pay on your behalf?

    Most of these muppets in favour of our taxes going on overseas aid are probably on the dole and therefore pay no income tax so they don't care what its used for.


  • #68
    sure joe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭sure joe


    why is it compulsory. if people want to waste their money feeding generations of africans who will continue to multiply, then send your money by all accounts. I would rather see my money going into hospitals, care for the mentally ill. shelter for the homeless. somewhere that the money could make an actual impact


  • #69
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    repsol wrote: »
    Most of these muppets in favour of our taxes going on overseas aid are probably on the dole and therefore pay no income tax so they don't care what its used for.

    Crass and ignorant post referring to your fellow citizens as muppets!


  • #70
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    repsol wrote: »
    Are you seriously comparing the suffering a family with a child who has Cancer, with someone who has lost their job? You are deluded.People with a sick child would swop their job to have a healthy child you sicko!I am involved with an organisation which raises money for charity every year and give up my time to do it.We only raise for charities based in this country,no overseas.Convincing some sad case with nothing better to do than troll through old threads looking to score points is not high on my list of priorities funnily enough.
    Just saying I don't find your compassion convincing given your history. Few would. I didn't compare someone whose child has cancer with someone who lost their job.
    Heartlessness and selfishness and greed and gloating don't seem the characteristics of someone who's that caring, but I suppose there's bound to be exceptions.


  • #71
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Just saying I don't find your compassion convincing given your history. Few would. I didn't compare someone whose child has cancer with someone who lost their job.
    Heartlessness and selfishness and greed and gloating don't seem the characteristics of someone who's that caring, but I suppose there's bound to be exceptions.

    Beginning to sound like you lost an argument in another thread and are trying to bring it into this one for a rematch now.


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  • #72
    repsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Just saying I don't find your compassion convincing given your history. Few would. I didn't compare someone whose child has cancer with someone who lost their job.
    Heartlessness and selfishness and greed and gloating don't seem the characteristics of someone who's that caring, but I suppose there's bound to be exceptions.

    Everyone has good points if you look hard enough!:)


  • #73
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    Beginning to sound like you lost an argument in another thread and are trying to bring it into this one for a rematch now.
    Nonsense. You're on that very thread yourself making the same points as I am. I didn't "lose" or "win" any argument (not like I'd give a sh1t) I simply remembered that poster's nasty attitude on that and similar threads re people on the dole struggling to find work while he gloats about his good fortune.

    Fair enough he is involved with a local charity for sick children, and good for him, but his initial post about sick kids before he mentioned the charity was not consistent with his history on this forum.


  • #74
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    mattjack wrote: »
    I've seen a rubber band, a horse fly but never ever heard of ghanda...

    He was with the ghanny


  • #75
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Nonsense. You're on that very thread yourself making the same points as I am. I didn't "lose" or "win" any argument (not like I'd give a sh1t) I simply remembered that poster's nasty attitude on that and similar threads re people on the dole struggling to find work while he gloats about his good fortune.

    Fair enough he is involved with a local charity for sick children, and good for him, but his initial post about sick kids before he mentioned the charity was not consistent with his history on this forum.

    You badly need to build a bridge and get over it.


  • #76
    circular motion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭circular motion


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    The only way this could make even less sense is if the whole thing was overseen by a transvestite donkey in a lizard mask.

    You're actually not far off the Truth.


  • #77
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    circular motion wrote: »
    You're actually not far off the Truth.
    Ah well at least we can all agree this person's talking shyte. :D


  • #78
    Thomas20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Thomas20


    Stealing money from people here to prolong the suffering of millions of Africans makes no sense.


  • #79
    circular motion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭circular motion


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Ah well at least we can all agree this person's talking shyte. :D

    Not the mask part..


  • #80
    666irishguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    I think it's time to stop giving aid money to NGO's and not asking for full accountability of where the money goes and what the long term plan is. Things like Live Aid etc, tug at the heart strings but few ever ask for a follow up of what was done with the cash. The greatest problem with aid that I have is that it is and has essentially artificially supported/ballooned populations in parts of the world that simply cannot self sufficiently produce the food and resources needed to maintain the numbers. I'm not suggesting that we cut of the aid and let nature take it's course, but there has to be a better and more forward thinking long term way of dealing with it. The population of Ethiopia is now double what it was in 84 and that has to be in some way related to the fact that aid is now taken as a given source of support in many countries.


  • #81
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    I call on every able-bodied person here to meet tomorrow morning at 10am outside the GPO, we shall raise funds for the noble people of Ghanda.


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  • #82
    repsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Nonsense. You're on that very thread yourself making the same points as I am. I didn't "lose" or "win" any argument (not like I'd give a sh1t) I simply remembered that poster's nasty attitude on that and similar threads re people on the dole struggling to find work while he gloats about his good fortune.

    Fair enough he is involved with a local charity for sick children, and good for him, but his initial post about sick kids before he mentioned the charity was not consistent with his history on this forum.

    I am not claiming to be Bob Geldof, I am far from it.I am willing to work hard for/donate to/sponsor charities but they have to be charities I believe in.I will support hospitals,hospices,Dogs trust,Barnardos,Cancer appeals etc. I will not give to Trocaire,Concern,V de P etc because i do not think they are deserving or because they are sending the money overseas.I think most people on Boards slightly exaggerate their opinions if someone is arguing with them to get a reaction,I don't think there is any harm in it really:) It would be a bit dull if we all agreed with each other.


  • #83
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    666irishguy wrote: »
    The population of Ethiopia is now double what it was in 84 and that has to be in some way related to the fact that aid is now taken as a given source of support in many countries.

    I was in Ethiopia last year. Addis Ababa looks better than Dublin in a lot of ways, to be honest:
    http://youtu.be/7HJemb1NyBM


  • #84
    666irishguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    I was in Ethiopia last year. Addis Ababa looks better than Dublin in a lot of ways, to be honest:
    http://youtu.be/7HJemb1NyBM

    I'm sure it's a nice city but I can't see what that has to do with the fact that they have now got twice as many mouths to feed on the same land they had in the 80's.


  • #85
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    666irishguy wrote: »
    I'm sure it's a nice city but I can't see what that has to do with the fact that they have now got twice as many mouths to feed on the same land they had in the 80's.

    I think my point would be that anywhere advertising itself as the New York of Africa has a very limited claim to be seeking foreign aid.
    As for them having twice the population, this is an African-wide problem. In Ethiopia, it's partly explained by more people living in the highlands where crops can be grown, instead of the desert plains.


  • #86
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    I call on every able-bodied person here to meet tomorrow morning at 10am outside the GPO, we shall raise funds for the noble people of Ghanda.
    drop the package up to st lukes when ye are finished fundraising, the Ghandian ambassador mberti will collect it :cool:


  • #87
    VEN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭VEN


    yes cut it. i cut off oxfam and gave it to svdp this year. made sense to me. i also support ispca and the simon community.


  • #88
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    To play devils advocate for a while, are the majority of Irish people in favour of such aid schemes?
    about the only T.D. that I heard question our overseas development aid was, God help us, Michael Healy-Rae, Kerry south.
    Is this noble savage alone in his endevours in Leinster house?


  • #89
    666irishguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    I think my point would be that anywhere advertising itself as the New York of Africa has a very limited claim to be seeking foreign aid.
    As for them having twice the population, this is an African-wide problem. In Ethiopia, it's partly explained by more people living in the highlands where crops can be grown, instead of the desert plains.

    It's amazing that they would advertise it as such considering Ethiopia is in the 170's on the HDI. That merely tells me that it is a country of incredible inequality and indifference on the part of it's government. Overpopulation is Africa's biggest problem alright and it begs the question of the willingness of the governments there to do anything pre-emptive about it. That's my biggest gripe with NGO's and things like live Aid who generate huge amounts of cash for countries in the third world that we know next to nothing about apart from the images on TV. The same could be said for charities operating in places like India. They have a nuclear missile program but leave probably hundreds of millions to rot in poverty. I stopped donating to foreign aid organizations and campaigns on these grounds. I'd genuinely like to see the money used to help our own people.


  • #90
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    repsol wrote: »
    I am not claiming to be Bob Geldof, I am far from it.I am willing to work hard for/donate to/sponsor charities but they have to be charities I believe in.I will support hospitals,hospices,Dogs trust,Barnardos,Cancer appeals etc. I will not give to Trocaire,Concern,V de P etc because i do not think they are deserving or because they are sending the money overseas.I think most people on Boards slightly exaggerate their opinions if someone is arguing with them to get a reaction,I don't think there is any harm in it really:) It would be a bit dull if we all agreed with each other.

    Vincent de Paul ? what's wrong with them ?


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  • #91
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Heres an article on the indian space program.


    http://rt.com/news/india-space-satellite-budget-331/



    I heard Ghanda are sending a rocket to uranus :D


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