What "if" Ryanair and MOL got Aer Lingus

29-12-2012 08:34PM #1

Eventhough it’s looking very unlikely to happen it would be great to hear peoples opinions on what they think would happen if Michael O' Leary got his hands on Aer Lingus, What do you think his plan is?

Also what would you do if you were in his shoes and ran a merged Ryanair/Aer Lingus group.

My views were around the time of the last bid I thought it was a good idea, Aer Lingus looked in bad shape and the idea of cheaper transatlantic fares sounded good to me. But as the years have gone on and Ryanair’s ever increasing bad attitude to its customers I am now glad it wont happen I think MOL has shot himself in the foot with this attitude and people are quite rightfully scared of an Aer Lingus run by MOL. I used to be proud of Ryanair but now they are almost giving the Irish a bad name. It’s not hard to be nice! Plus the remedies package he has come up I really don’t like the sound of. I cant quite figure out why he wants it AL so much??

If I was in his shoes I would attempt to continue on the good work Mueller is doing with Aer Lingus in creating a hub in Dublin ie Using the Atr's and ferrying people to Dublin to get their US pre clearance and fly transatlantic and reducing costs.

It’s a very attractive proposition but imagine using Ryanair and Aer lingus European short haul aircraft to ferry people from all over Europe to fly transatlantic through Dublin. The US pre clearance is there, the capacity is there with T2, the aircraft is there and the cash, Ryanairs €3 billion or so would help in increasing the long haul fleet. Using knowledge Ryanair have collected on cost cutting, more costs at Aer Lingus could be cut(not to Ryanair's scale) The combined airline group could become a highly competitive outfit.

Finally I would treat the customers better!!

All opinions appreciated.

donvito99 · 29-12-2012 08:44PM

As you say, Ryanair + Aer Lingus would become a highly competitive outfit.

This would be to the detriment of the customer however, monopoly is good for no one but shareholders.

Dogwatch · 29-12-2012 10:09PM

Ryanair getting Aer Lingus would be disastrous for Dublin Airport as it would give them another virtual monopoly of flights at Dublin. Given the supposed bad blood between MOL and DAA, I don't see a good outcome for everybody.
MOL should retire from Ryanair as I think he has taken it as far as he can. Time for fresh ideas and a change of direction and attitude.

aerhead · 29-12-2012 11:09PM

Anybody else getting the feeling of déjà vu? *yawns*

Katunga · 30-12-2012 12:56AM

It would be a very good thing to happen. It would then be possible to get a return transatlantic flight for €200. Hanger 6 would be used proper for C checks not wasted like it currently is. A lot of Aircraft maintenance jobs would be created in Dublin. The two Airline's would be run with different short hall strategies Aer lingus for the corporate roots.
The main reason Ryanair want Aer lingus is for Transatlantic flights because it is already recognised at some USA airports.

Stovepipe · 30-12-2012 01:23PM

Hi there,
C checks are already being dealt with in DUB by Dublin Aerospace.EI doesn't do them because of the huge cost of tooling up for it and we get our C checks done by Aerospace or the lads in Bordeaux, as slots become available.booking in a C check is often done a year in advance. We don't want MOL in because the first thing he'd do is sack people and I don't want to go on the dole, thanks.Secondly, he'd follow the example of the fellas who bought Man utd and use us as a debt dump. thirdly, we have made huge cost savings, are making money and have a good boss. that'll do.

regards
Stovepipe

Katunga · 30-12-2012 02:13PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

Hi there,
C checks are already being dealt with in DUB by Dublin Aerospace.EI doesn't do them because of the huge cost of tooling up for it and we get our C checks done by Aerospace or the lads in Bordeaux, as slots become available.booking in a C check is often done a year in advance. We don't want MOL in because the first thing he'd do is sack people and I don't want to go on the dole, thanks.Secondly, he'd follow the example of the fellas who bought Man utd and use us as a debt dump. thirdly, we have made huge cost savings, are making money and have a good boss. that'll do.

regards
Stovepipe

I think you need to read my post again. I never said that C check are not done in Dublin I said they are not done in hanger 6. Yes MOL will sack all the Aer Lingus staff AND will rehire the good one's on new higher paying contracts and have them working on the Job not talking tea breaks every 30 min. Aer lingus is way over staffed as everyone knows.

aerhead · 30-12-2012 03:10PM

Katunga wrote: »

I think you need to read my post again. I never said that C check are not done in Dublin I said they are not done in hanger 6. Yes MOL will sack all the Aer Lingus staff AND will rehire the good one's on new higher paying contracts and have them working on the Job not talking tea breaks every 30 min. Aer lingus is way over staffed as everyone knows.

*double yawns*

What have you against a tea break you nazi?

30-12-2012 05:34PM

AIRhead, If this thread is making you yawn so much why dont you just bugger off

aerhead · 30-12-2012 06:21PM

sully2010 wrote: »

AIRhead, If this thread is making you yawn so much why dont you just bugger off

*yawn yawn yawn*

Re-hashing old threads doesn't make you yawn also? Either you don't come round here much or you're a real life bore. Going by your first post, I'd say the later.

30-12-2012 06:28PM

<Snip> Personal Abuse

aerhead · 30-12-2012 06:38PM

sully2010 wrote: »

No I don't come around here much as I have a very busy life, also because unfortunately this forum seems populated by knobs like yourself. If you have seen a thread like this before then why not just stay away from this one instead of being a negative prick, you are obviously very very bored

Busy life of a bore...

I'll be the more mature one here

I'll just call you a bore, factual statement, rather than come out with a load of obscenities.

At least this spat has somewhat livened up an otherwise clichéd and full of drivel thread.

Ciao Ciao.

kona · 30-12-2012 06:55PM

Katunga wrote: »

I think you need to read my post again. I never said that C check are not done in Dublin I said they are not done in hanger 6. Yes MOL will sack all the Aer Lingus staff AND will rehire the good one's on new higher paying contracts and have them working on the Job not talking tea breaks every 30 min. Aer lingus is way over staffed as everyone knows.

Ah yea because Ryanair do base maintenance in hangar 1. He'd asset strip ei and rape your wallet when you want a holiday or emigrate .

What do you think goes on in hangar 6 out of interest?

Katunga · 30-12-2012 06:58PM

kona wrote: »

Ah yea because Ryanair do base maintenance in hangar 1. He'd asset strip ei and rape your wallet when you want a holiday or emigrate .

No plenty of other airlines wold still fly out of DUB if the take over happens.

kona · 30-12-2012 07:05PM

Katunga wrote: »

No plenty of other airlines wold still fly out of DUB if the take over happens.

Would they? You obviously don't know how Ryanair deal with competition . So what do you think goes on in hangar 6? Why do you think Ryanair would do base maintenance there? Do you think he's going to pick a few hundred engineers with types out of the sky?

lintdrummer · 30-12-2012 07:09PM

Anyone who believes MOL would carry out base maintenance in H6 is deluded.

Katunga · 30-12-2012 07:16PM

lintdrummer wrote: »

Anyone who believes MOL would carry out base maintenance in H6 is deluded.

Why do you think he wanted it a few year's ago?

jonnny68 · 30-12-2012 07:18PM

Would be an absolute nightmare,as if FR are not bad enough already.

Perish tbe thought

kona · 30-12-2012 07:22PM

Katunga wrote: »

Why do you think he wanted it a few year's ago?

Why do you think he wanted to charge for the jacks, asking easa about standing on flights? Same logic.

30-12-2012 07:31PM

aerhead wrote: »

Busy life of a bore...

I'll be the more mature one here I'll just call you a bore, factual statement, rather than come out with a load of obscenities.

At least this spat has somewhat livened up an otherwise clichéd and full of drivel thread.

Ciao Ciao.

Bigtime yawn...sad little boy;)

Suasdaguna1 · 30-12-2012 07:48PM

An appalling lack of moderation on this thread.

All it is, is a mud flinging fest......

Jamie2k9 · 30-12-2012 07:56PM

Aer lingus is way over staffed as everyone knows.

What plannet are you on. If Aer Lingus is so over staffed why do they need to take on seasonal cabin crew and ground staff at Dublin. If you flew from DUB the other day you may also say differently.

You will find that its Ryanair that are way overstaffed. A company that forces hundreds of crew to take 4 monhts unpaied leave every winter.

Sikpupi · 30-12-2012 08:28PM

AND will rehire the good one's on new higher paying contracts

....classic trolling!

Nice one...but went right over the head of most contributors!

Katunga · 30-12-2012 08:54PM

kona wrote: »

Why do you think he wanted to charge for the jacks, asking easa about standing on flights? Same logic.

If you know anything about aviation you would know charging for the toilets was a poblicity stunt and several people would be willing to pay for standing tickets for short flights eg DUB to Liverpool.

kona · 30-12-2012 08:59PM

Katunga wrote: »

If you know anything about aviation you would know charging for the toilets was a poblicity stunt and several people would be willing to pay for standing tickets for short flights eg DUB to Liverpool.

Very good

Katunga · 30-12-2012 09:05PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

What plannet are you on. If Aer Lingus is so over staffed why do they need to take on seasonal cabin crew and ground staff at Dublin. If you flew from DUB the other day you may also say differently.

You will find that its Ryanair that are way overstaffed. A company that forces hundreds of crew to take 4 monhts unpaied leave every winter.

A lot of Ryanair flights go to seasonal destination.
Aer lingus are over staffed, the reason they are looking for more staff is mainly down to the unions because they think they should have to do even less work and it not efficiently managed.

A large quantity of aircraft engineers are out of work in Dublin so a supply of engineers is available.

kona · 30-12-2012 09:13PM

Katunga wrote: »

A lot of Ryanair flights go to seasonal destination.
Aer lingus are over staffed, the reason they are looking for more staff is mainly down to the unions because they think they should have to do even less work and it not efficiently managed.

A large quantity of aircraft engineers are out of work in Dublin so a supply of engineers is available.

Most of those engineers have lost their approvals and licenses, to get them back would require them to do ojt. Not as easy as strolling in the door and being let loose at an aircraft . Aer lingus have employed 50 engineers there last month.

aerhead · 30-12-2012 09:13PM

Katunga wrote: »

A lot of Ryanair flights go to seasonal destination.
Aer lingus are over staffed, the reason they are looking for more staff is mainly down to the unions because they think they should have to do even less work and it not efficiently managed.

A large quantity of aircraft engineers are out of work in Dublin so a supply of engineers is available.

What college did you go to? The Institute of MakeItUpAsYouGoAlong? Let me guess: A Bachelors of Bullology?

No, serious though, when does school start back for you and Sully2010?

aerhead · 30-12-2012 09:14PM

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

An appalling lack of moderation on this thread.

All it is, is a mud flinging fest......

The mod lives in New Zealand I think so you'll find there's a 12 hour lag there or therebouts...

Katunga · 30-12-2012 09:25PM

kona wrote: »

Most of those engineers have lost their approvals and licenses, to get them back would require them to do ojt. Not as easy as strolling in the door and being let loose at an aircraft . Aer lingus have employed 50 engineers there last month.

Yes they did take on engineers how many transfer from Shannon and worked with Dublin Aero. How many contractors in Dub aero would like a full time job with an airline?

kona · 30-12-2012 09:30PM

Katunga wrote: »

Yes they did take on engineers how many transfer from Shannon and worked with Dublin Aero. How many contractors in Dub aero would like a full time job with an airline?

How many lads in their 40s 50s would want to do shift work!? Not many I'd guess. Line maintenance is a different beast to base. Not many came from Shannon.

I don't see your point here, Ryanair will not do base maintenance in Dublin . The pool of current type approved engineers in Dublin is small and getting smaller due to age/ easa requirements etc.

What "if" Ryanair and MOL got Aer Lingus

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