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Another mass shooting in the U.S

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  • #1232
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    LiamMc wrote: »
    [You should of told me there were Conditions, as a sportsperson I am used to the goalposts been moved, no problem]

    Motor Vechicles that fail emission standards harm children, especially if the heavier metals in the air reach down that low. Writing Legislation, by Civil Servants, at the request of Public Representatives that reduces the quantifiable risk of Carbon emissions plus the social concern of older unreliable Motor Vechicles. And then Voting in that Legislation, over a negotiation period, into the representative houses aids the Community and reaffirms a belief that Public Representatives understand Science.
    OK. Not sure why that's relevant, but thank you for the information. #iheartinternet


  • #1233
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    People like him yeah. He was obviously incompatible with our world. What was the point of him being in it? His life would have meant 28 lifes would be still here, people who deserved to be here. Not some outcast.
    He was a freak in life and a freak in death, like his classmates said they weren't that surprised to hear it was him. He wasn't some boy next door nice kid who just lost it.

    How were higher ups not aware of this strange kid and that he needed help. His classmates were not surprised that he committed an act like this. Sometimes you need to typecast, and this guy fits the bill for a school shooter.

    What a sick attitude. Pitiful.


  • #1234
    LiamMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭LiamMc


    Overheal wrote: »
    OK. Not sure why that's relevant, but thank you for the information. #iheartinternet
    Overheal wrote: »
    OK. Not sure why that's relevant, but thank you for the information. #iheartinternet

    The two simple responses.
    1. I believe you. With over 33,500 post on one Message Boards alone, plus a Moderator on four different Forums on this Message Board. Then yes I believe you when you post #iheartinternet. [excuse the mixed media twitter + MB's].

    2. Was your post sarcastic? No I don't heart the Internet. But I use it as another device in my life to find information, provide information and share viewpoints. I have used the internet to learn, not only reaffirm.

    Further Human Shooting Targets:
    Dirty-Bird-Shadow-Target.jpeg

    Website:
    http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/Birchwood-rolls-new-Dirty-Bird-Shadow-Targets_2669-1.html

    "The new Dirty Bird® Shadow Targets from Birchwood Casey® are perfect for all shooting or training applications.

    The 12" x 18" targets are versioned after the B27 and TQ-19 styles and can be used at indoor or outdoor ranges.

    Dirty Bird Shadow Targets "splatter" white upon bullet impact, making for fast and easy hand-eye coordination. The instant feedback from each shot allows shooters to spend more time shooting and less time downrange checking targets."


  • #1235
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    LiamMc wrote: »
    The two simple responses.
    1. I believe you. With over 33,500 post on one Message Boards alone, plus a Moderator on four different Forums on this Message Board. Then yes I believe you when you post #iheartinternet. [excuse the mixed media twitter + MB's].

    2. Was your post sarcastic? No I don't heart the Internet. But I use it as another device in my life to find information, provide information and share viewpoints. I have used the internet to learn, not only reaffirm.

    Further Human Shooting Targets:
    Dirty-Bird-Shadow-Target.jpeg

    Website:
    http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/Birchwood-rolls-new-Dirty-Bird-Shadow-Targets_2669-1.html

    "The new Dirty Bird® Shadow Targets from Birchwood Casey® are perfect for all shooting or training applications.

    The 12" x 18" targets are versioned after the B27 and TQ-19 styles and can be used at indoor or outdoor ranges.

    Dirty Bird Shadow Targets "splatter" white upon bullet impact, making for fast and easy hand-eye coordination. The instant feedback from each shot allows shooters to spend more time shooting and less time downrange checking targets."

    I suggest you stick to attacking the post and not the poster.

    Whether Overheal has 5 or 35,000 posts is nothing to do with you or this topic.

    Any more of this **** from you will see you banned.


    As for everyone else, back on topic ans stick to the topic. The petty bitching is getting tiresome.


  • #1236
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    LiamMc wrote: »
    Further Human Shooting Targets:
    Liam, just so as everyone else knows, these are the actual targets that those rifles are fired at.

    TBI_SR-1.jpg

    You've been posting up targets used by some US pistol shooters. And not even the majority of US pistol shooters at that.


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  • #1237
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    When running away is not an option.


  • #1238
    EdenHazard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    Piliger wrote: »
    What a sick attitude. Pitiful.

    These defenders of this freak :rolleyes:

    His life had no purpose. There's nothing that could be done for him, sadly for the lad, but more importantly those innocents who lost their life he was always destined to do something like this. He was doomed from the start


  • #1239
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    There's nothing that could be done for him
    The very large number of people who live full lives with autism and aspergers without any such incident suggests that you may be incorrect...


  • #1240
    EdenHazard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    Of course. He didn't do what he did because he's autistic. People being apologetic and they don't even know the facts(nor Do I) Ask yourself why do the majority of people who have autism not commit acts such as this? Answer because they're not sick ****s like this loser was.


  • #1241
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Sparks wrote: »
    /sigh.
    Mine do.
    And since mine do, the black and white absolute statement that guns are only designed to kill is incorrect, and now we're back to a complex problem that requires more than just a simple soundbite-optimised approach.

    Y'know, I seem to recall saying that already in this thread...

    I presume you are talking about sport shooting when you say your guns don't kill. It doesn't change the fact that the purpose of guns is to kill people, even if some people have made a sport of it by neutering their gun.


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  • #1242
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I presume you are talking about sport shooting when you say your guns don't kill. It doesn't change the fact that the purpose of guns is to kill people, even if some people have made a sport of it by neutering their gun.
    You presume incorrectly, and we've already done this specific point back and forth quite a bit; could you just go read it instead of rehashing something that was fairly tedious in the first place please?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82310860&postcount=1184
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82310921

    (In fact both of those are from after your first post on this point; did you just skip past them or did you have some argument with them?)


  • #1243
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    Of course. He didn't do what he did because he's autistic. People being apologetic and they don't even know the facts(nor Do I) Ask yourself why do the majority of people who have autism not commit acts such as this? Answer because they're not sick ****s like this loser was.
    And just how do you propose society would have known this beforehand? What indicator would there have been? How do you tell one autistic person is going to go kill someone and the other isn't?


  • #1244
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Sparks wrote: »
    You presume incorrectly, and we've already done this specific point back and forth quite a bit; could you just go read it instead of rehashing something that was fairly tedious in the first place please?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82310860&postcount=1184
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82310921

    (In fact both of those are from after your first post on this point; did you just skip past them or did you have some argument with them?)

    Right but you still havent given a use for guns other than to inflict injury. You can talk about sport shooting all you want but that's just a demonstration of your ability to use a gun, not another use for it. Can you state one single use for a gun that is not related to causing harm?


  • #1245
    EdenHazard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    I don't know, I honestly don't. But for example http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559502/ex-babysitter-says-newtown-conn-school-shooter-adam-lanzas-mother-warned-dont-turn-your-back/

    Warning signs needs to be picked up on. Greater perspective is needed.


  • #1246
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Right but you still havent given a use for guns other than to inflict injury. You can talk about sport shooting all you want but that's just a demonstration of your ability to use a gun, not another use for it. Can you state one single use for a gun that is not related to causing harm?
    MS, do you not see that that's a self-answering question?

    State one single use for a gun that's not related to causing harm? The shooting sports. One of - if not the largest sports in the world (by participation), everywhere from the Olympics to Palma shooting, to black powder to pony club tetrathlon to the Biathlon and a hundred other events besides.
    They're not a demonstration of anything, they're the end in and of themselves.


  • #1247
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Right but you still havent given a use for guns other than to inflict injury. You can talk about sport shooting all you want but that's just a demonstration of your ability to use a gun, not another use for it. Can you state one single use for a gun that is not related to causing harm?

    Um, that's some serious intellectual gymnastics there. Target shooting is just a demonstration of the ability to use a gun? Well, fifteen Olympic events and dozens of other competitive disciplines outside the Games featuring any number of types of firearm, sports to which athletes demonstrate enormous commitment in terms of their time and money. Sports are most certainly a use for firearms, which have nothing do with causing harm. I don't shoot targets to demonstrate competency. I do it to compete, which is a personal and mental experience far more than it's about pure physical proficiency.


  • #1248
    EZ24GET
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭EZ24GET


    I don't think it was autistic altho it may be related. I know someone who attempted to kill someone with a gun. He nearly did he was committed but after a while he was released to a halfway house although his family begged the state not to release him. From the halfway house he was placed in public housing to live on his own. First he stopped taking meds and then he got into an argument with someone who had no idea of his past and he returned to stab her to death. His was not autistic but he certainly had severe mental problems. He hears voices.

    It may be something more like this...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_explosive_disorder


  • #1249
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Sparks wrote: »
    MS, do you not see that that's a self-answering question?

    State one single use for a gun that's not related to causing harm? The shooting sports. One of - if not the largest sports in the world (by participation), everywhere from the Olympics to Palma shooting, to black powder to pony club tetrathlon to the Biathlon and a hundred other events besides.
    They're not a demonstration of anything, they're the end in and of themselves.

    I get what you're saying. You're talking about the thrill of the sport itself. In the same way one might say that horse racing is not just about demonstrating the speed of a horse but about much more to some people. But the idea of the sport is to demonstrate your skill at shooting and in essence you ability to kill. Is that not why thd sport developed in the first place.


  • #1250
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    I don't shoot targets to demonstrate competency. I do it to compete

    Wow. And you accuse me of mental gymnastics. Competing is simply showing your competency is greater than anothers.


  • #1251
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Only in the same sense that archery, javelin, hammer throwing, fencing, pentathlon, equestrian sports, assorted martial arts and so on are also demonstrations of your ability to kill.


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  • #1252
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    Only in the same sense that archery, javelin, hammer throwing, fencing, pentathlon, equestrian sports, assorted martial arts and so on are also demonstrations of your ability to kill.

    And what exactly do you think they developed from?


  • #1253
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    MagicSean wrote: »
    But the idea of the sport is to demonstrate your skill at shooting and in essence you ability to kill.
    No, it's not, and that's rather an offensive thing to say really.

    Target shooting is most like archery or golf. You're demonstrating control of both mind and body. It's not a sport where the biggest or the fastest or the guy with the best chemist will win; but where the person with the best self-control wins. It's closer to zazen than it is to what you're talking about.


  • #1254
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Wow. And you accuse me of mental gymnastics. Competing is simply showing your competency is greater than anothers.

    Nope. Competing is intensely mental. Far less to do with pure shooting proficiency. Otherwise there would never be any difference in performance levels day to day, since pure competency doesn't change.


  • #1255
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    MagicSean wrote: »
    And what exactly do you think they developed from?

    Yes, but do you suggest that a modern Olympic horse-rider competes to demonstrate his ability to kill?


  • #1256
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    It wasn't me! wrote: »

    Yes, but do you suggest that a modern Olympic horse-rider competes to demonstrate his ability to kill?

    Horse riding has many uses outside of battle or sport. Archery doesn't. Shooting doesnt. Fencing doesn't. They are battle skills that can no longer be freely used in modern day so are converted into a sport.

    How about we just leave it at "guns have no use outside of killing people and sport"


  • #1257
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    1. He was doomed from the start. Should have been put down like a dog that they know will be too aggressive and therfore incompatible with society.
    EdenHazard wrote: »
    People like him yeah. He was obviously incompatible with our world. What was the point of him being in it? His life would have meant 28 lifes would be still here, people who deserved to be here. Not some outcast.
    2. He was a freak in life and a freak in death, like his classmates said they weren't that surprised to hear it was him. He wasn't some boy next door nice kid who just lost it.

    How were higher ups not aware of this strange kid and that he needed help.    3. His classmates were not surprised that he committed an act like this. Sometimes you need to typecast, and this guy fits the bill for a school shooter.
    EdenHazard wrote: »
    But here if this kid was from some rough neighbourhood of the bronx and he just went into school and shot people, you wouldn't see people being so apologetic. 4.because he's white and upper class its always 'mental issues'
    EdenHazard wrote: »
    5. These defenders of this freak :rolleyes:

    His life had no purpose. There's nothing that could be done for him, sadly for the lad,     but more importantly those innocents who lost their life he was always destined to do something like this. He was doomed from the start
    EdenHazard wrote: »
    Of course. He didn't do what he did because he's autistic. People being apologetic and they don't even know the facts(nor Do I) Ask yourself why do the majority of people who have autism not commit acts such as this? Answer because they're not sick ****s like this loser was.

    I'm not sure there is anything up there that could get you a ban. But my disgust level for you as a human being is roughly 10/10.

    In order:

    1. Doomed from the start and put down like a dog. So you want to shoot babies now. Ya know, with your after-the-fact knowledge he killed people as a 20 year old seems good enough logic to shoot babies, am i right?!

    2. He could very well have been a nice kid. And if being socially awkward and a "loner" is reason to "put people down like dogs" then the population of the earth is in for a huge decrease. My dad is a "loner" type - he enjoys his own company, reading books, going for walks at sunrise and enjoying the lovely surroundings where he lives in Oxford.

    3. Yeah and i'm sure plenty of classmates are not surprised when the school "slut" gets pregnant in school. For every one of them there's hundreds of "sluts" who don't live up to the stereotype and plenty of "nice girls" get pregnant in school too.

    4. Age, class, gender...none of it matters when it comes to mental illness. None of it. Can affect anyone. If i won the lottery overnight i'd still suffer from depression.

    5. Every human life has a purpose. What that purpose is and how "successful" your life is up to the individual. My goals in life are to have a family and be happy. That might be a waste of a life to others who want to climb every mountain range in the world before they die. All human life has purpose.



    Finally, as i'm actually stunned, shocked and appalled let me just recap your argument. This guy was socially awkward, a loner and all his classmates saw it coming. Lots of after-the-fact stuff. Anyway social awkward recluses should be put down in your view.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79972735
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80745324
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81368830
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78876083
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76770631
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80629697
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79533390
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80239394
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78442032
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76780468

    10 threads you have started on boards. Ranging from "where can i find my bank account number" to "how much money do i need for holiday" to "why can't i pull on nights out" or "i failed to pull again", or not to mention a thread on "whats the point of it all".

    My friend, one could argue you are socially awkward yourself, and a lot of the threads you start could be answered by friends in 5 minutes.

    When someone is willing to come on here and argue for the murder of socially awkward people, i'll gladly take a ban if necessary to make this point.

    Please try engage your brain in the future. All human life is precious. We all have purpose. Whether we have 300 friends or no friends, whether we're social butterflies or introverted "loners". The last time i checked there's nothing intrinsically bad with liking your own company either.

    We all have problems. Some of us more so than others. Mental illness is no different to physical illness. They have "illness" in common. If you're going to advocate putting down mentally ill people, you might as well advocate putting people down who break an arm. Because like a broken arm, mental illness can be treated, helped and, in a majority of situations, overcome.


  • #1258
    EdenHazard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    Forgive me for having a bit more concern for the innocent kids and brave teachers who lost their life over some scumbag subhuman!

    Its a bloody joke. The media pushes this whole 'child genius' 'intelligent but reclusive' bull**** all the time. Makes morons like on this thread be overly sympathetic to a waste of space who feel society is to blame, not this little scrawny alien lookalike. So annoying!


  • #1259
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    Forgive me for having a bit more concern for the innocent kids and brave teachers who lost their life over some scumbag subhuman!

    Its a bloody joke. The media pushes this whole 'child genius' 'intelligent but reclusive' bull**** all the time. Makes morons like on this thread be overly sympathetic to a waste of space who feel society is to blame, not this little scrawny alien lookalike. So annoying!

    Don't hold back Eden!

    You'll find the empathy and sympathy of everybody on this thread are for the 20 children, and 7 adults who have tragically lost their lives.

    You'll also find you're in a minority of one who wants to "put human beings down like dogs" merely because they are either a) socially awkward b) a loner c) mentally ill. Or all 3.

    Do you know anything about mental illness? It's a huge umbrella that covers a lot from depression, general anxiety, panic disorder, bi-polar, schizophrenia, personality disorders - it's a long list.

    I deal on an ongoing basis with depression and panic-disorder. As such you could say i'm "mentally ill" and you want me put down. When the reality is this - with determination, some help, some love and some luck it's very possible to live with and overcome mental illness. Mentally ill people are not "freaks" who deserve to be "put down".

    I know from your threads you are a young man in university, late teens, early 20s and i'm hoping being a student and thursday night 330am you're drunk and talking nonsense. Maybe sleep on it and think again in the morning.


  • #1260
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I'm not sure there is anything up there that could get you a ban. But my disgust level for you as a human being is roughly 10/10.

    Thoroughly comprehensive destruction job. Disgust is an understatement. The solution, if he doesn't merit being banned, is NOT to engage him. Simple.


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  • #1261
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    Forgive me for having a bit more concern for the innocent kids and brave teachers who lost their life over some scumbag subhuman!

    Its a bloody joke. The media pushes this whole 'child genius' 'intelligent but reclusive' bull**** all the time. Makes morons like on this thread be overly sympathetic to a waste of space who feel society is to blame, not this little scrawny alien lookalike. So annoying!

    I don't think people here are defending this kids actions. People are scrambling around trying to fathom something that is completely incomprehensible. After the anger and shock and mourning we need to find out why this happened and what we could do to prevent it ever happening again.

    Was Autism or Aspbergers a contributing factor? I'm not qualified to answer that but ostracising the mentally ill will produce more Adam Lanza's. Not less.

    1 in 5 people in this country have suffered or are suffering from a mental illness. That's the guts of 1 million people. Would you jail all of them? Just in case?


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