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Archbishops issue strongly worded statement on Government decision for abortion

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  • #62
    Gone Drinking
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    Wow, if only they cared this much about the kids their members fondled.


  • #63
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    I will gladly burn a church or two down if these backward ***** think they can dictate legislation. Entitled to their opinion which is fine, but why anyone would even listen to the fools is beyond me, unless you are brainwashed by their b/s


  • #64
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Min wrote: »
    He didn't but it is a nice urban myth, it was part of the church investigation, the parents brought the children to the bishop and it was Fr Sean Brady who took the notes. He didn't make anyone swear to silence.

    He was alone with the child on the second meeting.

    Please check your apologists handbook for the requisite reply.


  • #65
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Nodin wrote: »
    He was involved. The second meeting he was on his own, so he would have been the one to have the victim swear to secrecy.


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/shamed-plea-buys-brady-more-time-to-stay-as-leader-2102852.html

    For the church investigation, were the parents stupid in that they brought the children to the bishop?
    Why didn't the parents go to the police?


  • #66
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Yakult wrote: »
    I will gladly burn a church or two down if these backward ***** think they can dictate legislation. Entitled to their opinion which is fine, but why anyone would even listen to the fools is beyond me, unless you are brainwashed by their b/s

    Such a tolerant person.


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  • #67
    Fernanda Spicy Shortchange
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fernanda Spicy Shortchange


    Min wrote: »
    For the church investigation, were the parents stupid in that they brought the children to the bishop?
    Why didn't the parents go to the police?

    In that culture? With hindsight yes, but back then when the guards probably would have told you to sod off anyway and the church were the Last Moral Bastion, no


  • #68
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    upstairs for coffee wrote: »
    Abortion isn't but the right to health is - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1218/1224327960438.html

    So there is no problem with the UN when it comes to abortion, but then they are useless...Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia....you wouldn't want the UN looking after your health.


  • #69
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    bluewolf wrote: »
    In that culture? With hindsight yes, but back then when the guards probably would have told you to sod off anyway and the church were the Last Moral Bastion, no

    So the state was part of the problem...but that doesn't change...we can see what the state has done over the past number of years.


  • #70
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Min wrote: »
    Such a tolerant person.

    And you would want to be in this Country.


  • #71
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Min wrote: »
    For the church investigation, were the parents stupid in that they brought the children to the bishop?
    Why didn't the parents go to the police?


    '...and behold, he did shift the goalposts....'


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  • #72
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    mikom wrote: »
    He was alone with the child on the second meeting.

    Please check your apologists handbook for the requisite reply.
    Min wrote: »
    For the church investigation, were the parents stupid in that they brought the children to the bishop?
    Why didn't the parents go to the police?

    The parents fault now!
    The handbook/sacred heart messenger never fails to give you wiggle room.

    I remember you as one of the David Norris haters during the presidential elections as well Min.
    Consistency in a world gone mad.........


  • #73
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Min wrote: »
    So there is no problem with the UN when it comes to abortion, but then they are useless...Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia....you wouldn't want the UN looking after your health.
    I'd sooner have the UN than sean bradys Youth Defence stormtroopers anyday!


  • #74
    Icepick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Did they explain why their loving god makes people face these kind of decisions in the first place?


  • #75
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    mikom wrote: »
    The parents fault now!
    The handbook/sacred heart messenger never fails to give you wiggle room.

    I remember you as one of the David Norris haters during the presidential elections as well Min.
    Consistency in a world gone mad.........

    Yes, the parents brought the children to the bishop to give evidence. We can pretend the parents didn't know what they were doing.

    David Norris dug his own grave in that election, not my fault if I was one of the people who saw through him before others did.
    His former boyfriend in jail over sex offenses, and Norris using Oireachtas headed paper to plea for clemency.
    But it depends who is links to sex offenses....consistency you say...


  • #76
    Fernanda Spicy Shortchange
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fernanda Spicy Shortchange


    Icepick wrote: »
    Did they explain why their loving god makes people face these kind of decisions in the first place?

    No, no, that's free will. Anything bad= free will.
    Especially the earthquakes and stuff.


  • #77
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    I'd sooner have the UN than sean bradys Youth Defence stormtroopers anyday!

    Yeah, be in Srebenica and the UN who was suppose protect them didn't, and thousands of men and boys were slaughtered and dumped in mass graves.

    You cling to the useless UN.


  • #78
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Min wrote: »
    Yeah, be in Srebenica and the UN who was suppose protect them didn't, and thousands of men and boys were slaughtered and dumped in mass graves.

    You cling to the useless UN.


    ....jesus, you really are shifting them posts....


  • #79
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Min wrote: »

    David Norris dug his own grave in that election, not my fault if I was one of the people who saw through him before others did.

    Lucky he didn't commit suicide.
    He may not have been allowed to be buried in consecrated ground........


  • #80
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....jesus, you really are shifting them posts....

    Well the UN is a joke, look at how it stopped the invasion of Iraq.


  • #81
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Min wrote: »
    Yeah, be in Srebenica and the UN who was suppose protect them didn't, and thousands of men and boys were slaughtered and dumped in mass graves.

    You cling to the useless UN.
    Srebrenica, the new Godwin!:D


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  • #82
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    mikom wrote: »
    Lucky he didn't commit suicide.
    He may not have been allowed to be buried in consecrated ground........

    Take that up with his church, he is not Catholic, not that it matters, just it muted your point.


  • #83
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    You are all "agents of the culture of death".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQpAIqpFjKM


  • #84
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Srebrenica, the new Godwin!:D

    What about the Congo, is that a Godwin too?

    Over 4 million died there in war, the UN looking on.


  • #85
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Min wrote: »
    What about the Congo, is that a Godwin too?

    Over 4 million died there in war, the UN looking on.

    UN Thread in Politics =====>


  • #86
    lovechips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ✭lovechips


    These Archbishops are trying to res erect the fifties and sixties in Ireland where any poor girl in trouble was shunned and treated like dirt ,locked away in the laundries out of sight of 'decent' people. No one makes the decision lightly but if they do make them suffer and travel miles from home ,costing them financially ,emotionally and physically . Out of sight out of mind. Life is hard enough without this crap.


  • #87
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Min wrote: »
    What about the Congo, is that a Godwin too?

    Over 4 million died there in war, the UN looking on.

    *diversionary tactic 101*


  • #88
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Abortion is wrong because the UN has an ineffective military presence. The logic is perfect.


  • #89
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    the culture of deference wrote: »
    Ireland's Catholic Archbishops have warned that legislating for abortion would pave the way for "the direct and intentional killing of unborn children".




    " the lives of untold numbers of unborn children now depend on the choices that will be made by public representatives."



    “It would pave the way for the direct and intentional killing of unborn children. This can never be morally justified in any circumstances.”They said to legislate on the basis of such a flawed judgement would be both tragic and unnecessary.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1218/archbishops-abortion.html



    Here is a better idea.

    Why don't Cardinal Seán Brady of Armagh, Archbishops Diarmuid Martin of Dublin, Dermot Clifford of Cashel and Emly, and Michael Neary of Tuam shut the fcuk up and keep their outdated and unwanted opinions to themselves and the fcuking brainwashed morons who follow them unquestionably.

    Its disgraceful to think that aside from still controlling our schools they are allowed to hold society back in 2012. I have a post on their earlier intervention in the medical sector, and how it affected our development as a nation.

    People of any belief have a right to speak on this subject irrespective of how people like it. As far as I can tell their position is of very little concern to me because they are speaking on behalf of Roman Catholics.

    Telling everyone who holds a different opinion to you to "shut the **** up" isn't very progressive.


  • #90
    Lima Golf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Lima Golf


    I'm pro life. I'm female in my 20s, not married and live a very busy and hectic life. A baby would not be ideal in my situation but if a became pregnant I could never ever abort it.

    I'd consider myself a modern woman with an open mind on most things but I think there is no excuse for abortion other than for medical reasons. If someone doesn't want a baby as it doesn't "fit" in their lives then make your life fit around it or give it up for adoption. I don't think the life or death of a baby should be our decision to make. You can tell me it's the size of a pea and its an insignificant dot but in my opinion its a living breathing person. For once I'm kind of with the church on this one.

    You can laugh and joke about the archbishops views, drag up every piece of dirt about the church you like and tell them shut the **** up but it does not change the fact that they have an opinion and belief on the matter the same as you and I and have the right to voice it regardless of whether people agree with it or not.


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  • #91
    upstairs for coffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭upstairs for coffee


    Lima Golf wrote: »

    I'd consider myself a modern woman with an open mind on most things but I think there is no excuse for abortion other than for medical reasons. If someone doesn't want a baby as it doesn't "fit" in their lives then make your life fit around it or give it up for adoption. I don't think the life or death of a baby should be our decision to make. You can tell me it's the size of a pea and its an insignificant dot but in my opinion its a living breathing person. For once I'm kind of with the church on this one.

    So you would make a woman go through agony for something she doesn't want?

    The second bolded bit makes no sense. A "dot" is not a living breathing person. You are presumably a living breathing person, a dot is not.


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