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10 yr old Passat – Is it worth keeping it on the road?

  • 17-12-2012 05:09PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭


    Just looking for some opinions or advice here. I drive a 02 Passat, 1.9 Diesel, with about 145k miles on the clock. I’m at the point where I’m wondering if it’s worth keeping it on the road. It may be the time to consider an affordable second hand, in 3-4 yr old bracket, if I could get one.
    Although the Passat is really running quite well, maintenance is getting expensive. Last service cost over €500; Filters had to be changed, Cv boot and brake pads replaced too.
    Some additional expenses on the horizon aswell:
    -Timing belt will prob need replacing soon. I’m guessing that’s at least €500
    -Yearly NCTs from March 2013 onwards

    And courtesy of the latest budget, it’ll cost about €700 to tax for next year:( The value of the car is probably less than 4 times the tax bill at this stage!

    Would be interested to hear opinions from anyone else who has or had an older Passat like mine. Do/did you find maintenance costs getting too expensive, to the point where you needed to sell?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Op the problem is, unless you are going for something either new or pretty much brand new, there is always likely to be something that needs doing on a car. Are you based in dublin? if so I will give you name of a guy that changed timing belt for my mate for E140. Ring your local motor factors to see how much the belt is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Zeek12 wrote: »
    Just looking for some opinions or advice here. I drive a 02 Passat, 1.9 Diesel, with about 145k miles on the clock. I’m at the point where I’m wondering if it’s worth keeping it on the road. It may be the time to consider an affordable second hand, in 3-4 yr old bracket, if I could get one.
    Although the Passat is really running quite well, maintenance is getting expensive. Last service cost over €500; Filters had to be changed, Cv boot and brake pads replaced too.
    Some additional expenses on the horizon aswell:
    -Timing belt will prob need replacing soon. I’m guessing that’s at least €500
    -Yearly NCTs from March 2013 onwards

    And courtesy of the latest budget, it’ll cost about €700 to tax for next year:( The value of the car is probably less than 4 times the tax bill at this stage!

    Would be interested to hear opinions from anyone else who has or had an older Passat like mine. Do/did you find maintenance costs getting too expensive, to the point where you needed to sell?

    Do it up, keep it

    Tax is around €673 from Jan iirc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,877 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    OP, newer cars cost money in maintenance also along with the initial purchase price. If you fancy a change then fair enough but unless the car is ready to die I would keep it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    ok, ill take it for 500 quid :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Manzoor14


    I'm nearly in the exact same boat! I have the exact same car and year but with 185k miles on it.

    NCT is out on it a month ago, tax due in February, cv boots need replacing and its overdue both a service and timing belt. I've had a few small issues with it in the last six months, mainly my boot doesn't close, back right door doesn't lock, glove compartment door hangs off when I open it and my radio doesn't work anymore. Also had to get alternator and fan belts and pulleys changed a month ago. Could do with a new battery now soon as well.

    Looking at €1500+ to get in it taxed, NCT'd and driving as I want it in the next few months so think i'm going to cut my losses and upgrade instead.

    Anyone want to buy a 02 Passat, low mileage, drives well, good clean car, priced to sell, pm me! :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    The running costs of most cars that are 10+ years old will be greater than the actual cost of the car itself. It's already the case with the 01 golf I purchased. Tax + insurance + diesel for a year is more than I bought the car for.

    If you're still getting 50+mpg out of a 10 year car then keep it and service it until you run it into the ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Op the problem is, unless you are going for something either new or pretty much brand new, there is always likely to be something that needs doing on a car. Are you based in dublin? if so I will give you name of a guy that changed timing belt for my mate for E140. Ring your local motor factors to see how much the belt is.

    Yeah fair point I guess. Maybe it's just bad luck with the run of bills right now, but between my service last week, the tax due at end of January, and the timing belt shortly after, I could be forking out over €1500 in just a couple of months. Was just wondering if this actually makes financial sense for a 10 yr old car:confused:
    I take your point though, maintenance is an ongoing bill for most cars.

    I'm not in Dublin sadly, otherwise would gladly get that guys name from you, but thanks v.much for the offer anyway:). I intend to shop around for quotes on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    Manzoor14 wrote: »
    I'm nearly in the exact same boat! I have the exact same car and year but with 185k miles on it.

    NCT is out on it a month ago, tax due in February, cv boots need replacing and its overdue both a service and timing belt. I've had a few small issues with it in the last six months, mainly my boot doesn't close, back right door doesn't lock, glove compartment door hangs off when I open it and my radio doesn't work anymore. Also had to get alternator and fan belts and pulleys changed a month ago. Could do with a new battery now soon as well.

    Looking at €1500+ to get in it taxed, NCT'd and driving as I want it in the next few months so think i'm going to cut my losses and upgrade instead.

    Anyone want to buy a 02 Passat, low mileage, drives well, good clean car, priced to sell, pm me! :pac:

    lol

    scrapyard price . ill give 200 for that . :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    dgt wrote: »
    Do it up, keep it

    Tax is around €673 from Jan iirc

    Could you expand on the "Do it up" suggestion please?
    What exactly should I do? Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Rasmus


    Bloody hell I'd love an 02 Passat!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭Chimaera


    If you own the car already, your only costs are tax, insurance, maintenance and fuel. Chances are all of those will come in a lot cheaper than the cost of getting a new car, which will still have those costs associated with it, though perhaps at a lower level for tax and maintenance (in the short term at least).

    The timing belt change interval seems to be either 60000 or 80000 miles depending on where you look for information. The owner's manual should tell you.

    At 145k it should have had a belt at 120k or else be due one at 160k. When was the first one done?

    On the TDI engines, NEVER leave the belt go past the change interval! The weak point in the TDI timing belt system is the tensioner, and they do have a habit of letting go when they're run past the change interval. If the belt breaks, an older car like this is effectively a write-off as it'll need at least a new head and possibly new engine. Unless you can get the parts cheaply and do the work yourself the cost of the repair will end up being more than the car is worth and it may be time to get something else.

    IME the parts for the belt change on a 1.9 (belt, water pump and tensioner kit) should be around €200. After that it's down to how much someone will charge to do it. If they don't have the lockdown tools and diagnostics they can't do the job properly and you should find someone else to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Zeek12 wrote: »

    Could you expand on the "Do it up" suggestion please?
    What exactly should I do? Thanks.
    I believe he meant maintain her and keep her pivoting on the point that she is running without issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    in relation to the tax, your probably best of just taxing it by the quarter if money is tight. My mate got another quote of E160 down the country for timing belt replacement. When getting work done, I would advise just getting the parts you need yourself in local motor factor and just getting your mechanic to just fit them, not supply and fit as this will be more expensive...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Zeek12 wrote: »
    Could you expand on the "Do it up" suggestion please?
    What exactly should I do? Thanks.

    Look after it, give it what it needs. Stuff like suspension bushes, ball joints, top mounts keep on top of them. Basic servicing, have the car running like a clock. Don't be afraid to part money to have it right.

    As Mugs has said :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭amen


    Keep it.

    I have a 99 1.9 TDi 198,000 miles on the clock. I probably spend €400 a year on bits and pieces for it ( services, brakes etc).

    If you compare repayments on a newer car thats only 1-2 months worth.

    Although I have to say I am considering a 4 year old Octavia or Superb in the new year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭maidhc


    No real way to avoid spending money on cars. An new car will have severe depreciation, while an old one will have somwhat higher maintenance.

    I have a 02 Avensis that will cost about €1500 in the next 3 months between a timing belt, shocks and tax. A 2012 one will loose 6k+ at the stoke of midnight on new years, so it is still cheap motoring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Chimaera wrote: »
    If you own the car already, your only costs are tax, insurance, maintenance and fuel. Chances are all of those will come in a lot cheaper than the cost of getting a new car, which will still have those costs associated with it, though perhaps at a lower level for tax and maintenance (in the short term at least).

    The timing belt change interval seems to be either 60000 or 80000 miles depending on where you look for information. The owner's manual should tell you.

    At 145k it should have had a belt at 120k or else be due one at 160k. When was the first one done?

    Yes, those combined costs are certainly less than the price of a newer car. Flip side to that point is a newer car would be an investment and would reduce the yearly tax and (possibly)fuel bills. Some of the bills with a 10yr old seem like "dead money" to me....particularly the tax! It's something to mull over I guess. I have options at least, as the Passat is still basically sound:)

    As for the timing belt, a VW garage will tell you it needs changing every 60,000 miles. But other mechanics say you're pretty safe going to 70-75. It was last done around 75k. I won't be taking risks with it tho, and will get it done fairly soon (If I decide to hang on to the car).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    in relation to the tax, your probably best of just taxing it by the quarter if money is tight. .

    But does'nt that work out about €100 more expensive over the year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭bd2012


    My 2 cents.

    Have a ten year old a6 TDI. 215000 miles. Paid it off over the summer so it's finally mine. Debated selling it with a fresh Nct last October but considering its not worth all that much and I know it's service history (had it for last five years) I figured that its not worth selling.

    I know it's been looked after and there is always a possibility that what u might buy to replace it has not. My advice keep her running. Those cars can take big miles. Best of luck with whatever u decide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭bd2012


    bd2012 wrote: »
    My 2 cents.

    Have a ten year old a6 TDI. 215000 miles. Paid it off over the summer so it's finally mine. Debated selling it with a fresh Nct last October but considering its not worth all that much and I know it's service history (had it for last five years) I figured that its not worth selling.

    I know it's been looked after and there is always a possibility that what u might buy to replace it has not. My advice keep her running. Those cars can take big miles. Best of luck with whatever u decide.

    P.S. after saying all that what's the betting something breaks down in the morning :):)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭pred racer


    Zeek12 wrote: »
    Yes, those combined costs are certainly less than the price of a newer car. Flip side to that point is a newer car would be an investment and would reduce the yearly tax and (possibly)fuel bills. Some of the bills with a 10yr old seem like "dead money" to me....particularly the tax! It's something to mull over I guess. I have options at least, as the Passat is still basically sound:)

    As for the timing belt, a VW garage will tell you it needs changing every 60,000 miles. But other mechanics say you're pretty safe going to 70-75. It was last done around 75k. I won't be taking risks with it tho, and will get it done fairly soon (If I decide to hang on to the car).

    I have an 08 alfa 159 1.9jtdm, tax is just gone up €89 to 570 ish
    1 service, 2 front brake discs, 1 wheel arch liner, will need a full fluid service soon and a timing belt next year.

    Just to show you that unless you go to a nearly new car, the maintenance costs are still there, and I'm still paying for mine:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    I dunno, I plan on keeping mine going for as long as I can, its a 05 SEAT Altea with 160k miles and runs like a swiss watch. I've a bit put away now for some suspension bits and anything else that goes wrong with it, and I'm planning on getting it detailed and lowered early next year, wheels are already done. I know if I wanted the same power/economy (2.0TDI 140) I'd have to spend about 10 - 12k for something under the new tax, and then have the additional concern of something going bang anyway.

    Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭nogoodnamesleft


    No matter what car you have its going to cost money to maintain even a new one. I have a 03 with 113k on the clock and service it myself all in it costs about 80euro in parts for oil filter, long life oil, diesel filter, air filter and pollen filter. Skimping on maintenance is a false economy. That particular model of passat is light years area for reliability compared to the B6 model.

    If it was me I would keep it! They can go for treble that mileage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    pred racer wrote: »
    I have an 08 alfa 159 1.9jtdm, tax is just gone up €89 to 570 ish
    1 service, 2 front brake discs, 1 wheel arch liner, will need a full fluid service soon and a timing belt next year.

    Just to show you that unless you go to a nearly new car, the maintenance costs are still there, and I'm still paying for mine:rolleyes:

    In all fairness though, you have an Alfa. That level of repair would be expected no? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    In all fairness though, you have an Alpha. That level of repair would be expected no? ;)

    37 Minutes for the Alfa gag..... ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    MugMugs wrote: »
    37 Minutes for the Alfa gag..... ;)

    Come on, that was just begging for it :D
    You ever type something out and know that there is a mistake somewhere but read it and it looks ok? AS I was typing Alpha I knew that there was something wrong but my brain would not correct it :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭pred racer


    MugMugs wrote: »
    37 Minutes for the Alfa gag..... ;)

    Motors is slowing up!

    Just waiting for the 'yore ma' now:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Come on, that was just begging for it :D

    I'll confess, it took a fair bit of self restraint myself :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭pred racer


    MugMugs wrote: »
    I'll confess, it took a fair bit of self restraint myself :D

    So what you are saying after my well intentioned and hopefully helpful post,

    Is


    Keep the passat op, it could be worse, you could have an alfa.

    Thanks guys:D:pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Thanks for all the input and advice folks.

    Will mull it over the next few weeks, but leaning towards keeping the old Passat for another while.


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