Six months in jail

kneemos · 14-12-2012 11:09AM

He'll come out twice as bad and start putting windows in his neighbours houses.

bladespin · 14-12-2012 11:15AM

testicle wrote: »

I bet he'll take them out now though.

I'd bet he doesn't!

Silly though, how can I raise two kids to respect the law when a rapist gets out after four months and a guy gets six months over windows, no wonder so many don't give a toss anymore.

Fiery mutant · 14-12-2012 11:29AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how skilled some people at taking things completely out of context and twisting stories to make them seem worse than they really are.

What this man is going to jail for is, as I think you know OP, Contempt of Court or refusing to remove the windows and install the correct ones as he was ordered to do.

His putting in the wrong windows is not the problem.

Please get your facts right.

Actually I think you're the one who needs some perspective here. Yes, he is in contempt of court and needs to be punished, but when he gets six months, and d.ickhead Quinn only got 3 months for his contempt of court, it shows something seriously wrong in our society.

This man refused to comply with a court order. Quinn refused to comply with his, and actively tried to deceive the state out of millions.

ssaye · 14-12-2012 11:36AM

Jayop wrote: »

True he should be punished, but IMO with jails already overcrowded and with the huge cost to the tax payer in housing a criminal the prisons should be kept clear for more serious crimes.

I think crimes against the person are much more serious. OK, send the guy to jail for a few days if you want, but in a country where you can rape and get out in four months, six months for this is outrageous.

Its going to cost apx 32k to keep him in jail for 6 months paid for by the tax payers. €179 per day

http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2

Cheaper to put him in a 4+ star hotel. Joke of a country.

Show Time · 14-12-2012 11:41AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Baffling just baffling. The justice system in this country just boils my blood at times.

Welcome to the Banana Republic of Ireland 2012.

AudreyHepburn · 14-12-2012 11:41AM

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

/scratches head.

In any case, you're ignoring the point that he'll be serving approximately the same length of time incarcerated as a convicted rapist.

I'm ignoring nothing. I am well aware that the laws in this country are messed up.

I was making the point that others seem to ignoring or not understanding what it actually is he is going to jail for.

They seem to think it's for putting in the wrong windows, or they want to think that.

And I was just clarifying that his crime is Contempt of Court....he has broken the law, he should be punished. I see no issue with it.

AudreyHepburn · 14-12-2012 11:44AM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Actually I think you're the one who needs some perspective here. Yes, he is in contempt of court and needs to be punished, but when he gets six months, and d.ickhead Quinn only got 3 months for his contempt of court, it shows something seriously wrong in our society.

This man refused to comply with a court order. Quinn refused to comply with his, and actively tried to deceive the state out of millions.

Once again I have not said anything to the affect that the law is fair or that this was reasonable.

I only made the point that it is ridiculous to suggest that his crime was merely putting in the wrong windows, as some here seem keen to believe.

You break the law, you should be punished simple as.

Of course Quinn should be jailed for longer than he is, for the rest of his life if he doesn't co-operate imo. I never said otherwise.

ssaye · 14-12-2012 11:45AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm ignoring nothing. I am well aware that the laws in this country are messed up.

I was making the point that others seem to ignoring or not understanding what it actually is he is going to jail for.

They seem to think it's for putting in the wrong windows, or they want to think that.

And I was just clarifying that his crime is Contempt of Court....he has broken the law, he should be punished. I see no issue with it.

No Issue, surely the sentence should be reasonable. 6 months for contempt on this case is ok for you?

AudreyHepburn · 14-12-2012 11:48AM

ssaye wrote: »

No Issue, surely the sentence should be reasonable. 6 months for contempt on this case is ok for you?

I suppose it would depend on what is was he refused to do, how long he refused etc.

Possibly six months in this case is a bit much although he did spend years ignoring the courts.

For some-one like Sean Quinn though, which is what people are really taking issue with here, life isn't long enough for the amount of money he has stolen from the taxpayer.

cantdecide · 14-12-2012 11:49AM

As someone who worked in the window business for long enough, let me tell you that the planning system is a joke. You build a family home on some desolate hillside and they dictate the colour of your letterbox. If you have money, you can have, what we always referred to as an architectural glass box [modern cube style house] in the middle of a sophistocated art deco estate.

gallag · 14-12-2012 12:01PM

They should have just smashed the windows and saved a fortune. That way they could keep violent sex fiends locked up.

SafeSurfer · 14-12-2012 12:09PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm ignoring nothing. I am well aware that the laws in this country are messed up.

I was making the point that others seem to ignoring or not understanding what it actually is he is going to jail for.

They seem to think it's for putting in the wrong windows, or they want to think that.

And I was just clarifying that his crime is Contempt of Court....he has broken the law, he should be punished. I see no issue with it.

Contempt of court is not a crime.

Tim the Enchanter · 14-12-2012 12:09PM

And in the meantime this lad is left out for a 2 week holiday.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/rapist-who-made-threat-to-115m-winners-sister-let-out-on-bail-3325651.html

Something wrong somewhere.

AudreyHepburn · 14-12-2012 12:14PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Contempt of court is not a crime.

Then why is Sean Quinn in jail?

frankosw · 14-12-2012 12:50PM

pickarooney wrote: »

A depressed widower jailed for six months over Christmas... hope they put him on suicide watch at least. And what about the windows, is someone going to take them down now?

Local scrotes have been ordered by the council to put rocks through them...they've decided they have wasted enough time on this issue.

The windows are a terrible eyesore i'm not surprised people complained..another arrogant twat of a builder who thought the planning laws dont apply to him.

SafeSurfer · 14-12-2012 12:59PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Then why is Sean Quinn in jail?

Sean Quinn is in jail by direction of a judge for being in contempt of court. He has not been convicted of a crime, he will not have a criminal record. Contempt of court is not a crime. Sean Quinn could be released from jail if he convinced the judge that he had purged his contempt. People convicted of a crime by a court and sentenced to jail will have a criminal conviction and are unable to secure their release from jail by their own actions.

Both the Quinn case and the 0'Toole case are civil cases.

Boombastic · 14-12-2012 01:05PM

For the wrong windows??

Meanwhile over on the picturesque shores of Lough Derg Lotto winner's son builds massive shed without planning permission but is allowed to have it retained, one rule for all eh?

corktina · 14-12-2012 01:12PM

just for my own sake and I don't care if no one reads it...he has been jailed for refusing to do what the Court told him to do...Comtempt of Court is what I would call it. What the Court Order was for is irrelevant.
Mess with the Law and it can and will bite you.

aloyisious · 14-12-2012 01:41PM

Is putting in dormer windows at the front of houses ok now if they overlook the neighbours opposite, and are his windows overlooking a neighbour? I think it strange that you can put them in at the back of houses overlooking a neighbours housefront but not do similar at the front, given that most upper floors have bedroom windows back and front.

borderbadger · 14-12-2012 01:52PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how skilled some people at taking things completely out of context and twisting stories to make them seem worse than they really are.

What this man is going to jail for is, as I think you know OP, Contempt of Court or refusing to remove the windows and install the correct ones as he was ordered to do.

His putting in the wrong windows is not the problem.

Please get your facts right.

I doubt if anybody is unaware of the facts , However a fact you seem to be unaware of is that in this country politicians and bankers brought it to the edge of penury and have not seen the inside of a courtroom or never will .Its hard to respect a judicial or political system that is so obviously unbalanced or /and corrupt.

gobnaitolunacy · 14-12-2012 01:56PM

corktina wrote: »

just for my own sake and I don't care if no one reads it...he has been jailed for refusing to do what the Court told him to do...Comtempt of Court is what I would call it. What the Court Order was for is irrelevant.
Mess with the Law and it can and will bite you.

It's an arbitrary bite and bites some more than others.

MagicSean · 14-12-2012 01:58PM

I have as little sympathy for him as I did for Quinn. You can't give two fingers to a judge and expect them to ignore it

AnonoBoy · 14-12-2012 02:01PM

There's an old country saying that applies here I think.

"Windys is windys is windys. Sure if it's not a windy it's a wall, wha?"

minidazzler · 14-12-2012 02:14PM

summerskin wrote: »

No, he has ignored numerous court orders to remove the windows which he never got planning permission for. He's had three years to comply but refuses.

THEY ARE WINDOWS! It shouldn't have gone to court in the first place!

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 02:27PM

borderbadger wrote: »

I doubt if anybody is unaware of the facts , However a fact you seem to be unaware of is that in this country politicians and bankers brought it to the edge of penury and have not seen the inside of a courtroom or never will .Its hard to respect a judicial or political system that is so obviously unbalanced or /and corrupt.

Three bankers from Anglo currently on bail awaiting trial.
One politican jailed for tax offences.
One lobbyist jailed for corruption.
So far!

K_user · 14-12-2012 02:32PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think this is hilarious. The council is responsible for a man being jailed for a small planning indiscretion in his home. Councils all over the country, zoned thousands of acres of unnecessary land, often in unsuitable places like flood plains, to feed their own greed for development levies. Many councils acted corruptly. Councils failed in their responsibilities to citizens to ensure pyrite was not used in buildings, to enforce fire regulations etc and in many cases they even failed to collect the development charges they levied, with about €350 million outstanding in Dublin alone.

Nobody in the councils have faced any jail time, loss of employment or even loss of pay for this negligence. But the council oversee the jailing of a man for installing dormer instead of velux windows.

Councils truly are the most useless part of state apparatus.

Well said!

K_user · 14-12-2012 02:37PM

corktina wrote: »

just for my own sake and I don't care if no one reads it...he has been jailed for refusing to do what the Court told him to do...Comtempt of Court is what I would call it. What the Court Order was for is irrelevant.
Mess with the Law and it can and will bite you.

Seán Quinn was sentenced to nine weeks for contempt of court. Millions stored abroad, very questionable business practices and debts that most cities couldn't afford to pay back.

But a man that put up a couple of dormer windows, he gets six months...

Flier · 14-12-2012 02:45PM

minidazzler wrote: »

THEY ARE WINDOWS! It shouldn't have gone to court in the first place!

It wouldn't have ended up in court if he had complied with his planning permission, or failing that, removed the windows any one of the times the council asked him to. He brought this on himself.
And remember - the time and money that the council have had to spend on this man's windows is coming out of OUR pockets. As will the cost of keeping him in jail. Money that I would rather see spent on schools and hospitals etc.
All because some plonker things he had the right to ignore regulations that the rest of us have to follow.

MagicSean · 14-12-2012 02:45PM

K_user wrote: »

Seán Quinn was sentenced to nine weeks for contempt of court. Millions stored abroad, very questionable business practices and debts that most cities couldn't afford to pay back.

But a man that put up a couple of dormer windows, he gets six months...

Sean Quinn was jailed for ignoring a judges order. Same for this fella.

the culture of deference · 14-12-2012 03:01PM

Lets look at this.

you do the crime you do the time ...... IRISH style

garlic vat scams ..... 6 years

500 child porn images having sex ..... 2 year suspended

bertie ahern level of corruption .... nothing

broad daylight attempted rape and kidnapping .... 4 months

30 burglaries play drug card very sorry .... 1 year bond

driving the wrong way down a motorway pissed

Q. are you a TD
A. yes, no jail a small ban

Q. are you a scumbag from a rough area
A. yes, 2 years Jail

A nice list of hogans finest rulings.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/07/31/handed-down-by-his-honour-judge-desmond-hogan/

Lawyer: "Now sir, I'm sure you are an intelligent and honest man--"
Witness: "Thank you. If I weren't under oath, I'd return the compliment."

Lawyer: "Officer, what led you to believe the defendant was under the influence?"
Witness: "Because he was argumentary, and he couldn't pronunciate his words."

Six months in jail

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