Six months in jail

Mountjoy Mugger

not for being a rapist, but for putting in wrong windows and not removing them.

Justice - Irish style.

swimming in a sea

that'll learn him, window people in Ireland have powerful friends

summerskin

No, he has ignored numerous court orders to remove the windows which he never got planning permission for. He's had three years to comply but refuses.

Micky Dolenz

Bet he never saw that coming.

Jayop

How that can end up in a Jail term is beyond me. Crazy TBF!

Duggy747

On one side, it's unreal that this guy would get half a year for 2 windows while the other guy gets 4 and a half months for sexually assaulting a woman after he rugby tackled her.

On the other, he ignored planning permission and has been in dispute about them for 6 years, he probably would have known the eventual outcome but thought he could fight it.

CruelCoin

6 months is harsh.

But christ, illegally modifying a house you're ****ing gifted and then acting the maggot afterwards needed some type of punishment.

AudreyHepburn

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

not for being a rapist, but for putting in wrong windows and not removing them.

Justice - Irish style.

I love how skilled some people at taking things completely out of context and twisting stories to make them seem worse than they really are.

What this man is going to jail for is, as I think you know OP, Contempt of Court or refusing to remove the windows and install the correct ones as he was ordered to do.

His putting in the wrong windows is not the problem.

Please get your facts right.

He broke planning regulations, was told multiple times over numerous years to comply, refused and was sent to jail because of it. I see no problem.

padd b1975

So after serving his jail sentence, does he get to keep the windows??

KKkitty

Must be a pane in the bum (Sorry obligatory AH pun)

Gringo180

Baffling just baffling. The justice system in this country just boils my blood at times.

CdeC

He should have taken them down they look terrible.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

not for being a rapist, but for putting in wrong windows and not removing them.

Justice - Irish style.

And how much time would you normally get for mugging?

Mountjoy Mugger

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how skilled some people at taking things completely out of context and twisting stories to make them seem worse than they really are.

What this man is going to jail for is, as I think you know OP, Contempt of Court or refusing to remove the windows and install the correct ones as he was ordered to do.

His putting in the wrong windows is not the problem.

Please get your facts right.

/scratches head.

In any case, you're ignoring the point that he'll be serving approximately the same length of time incarcerated as a convicted rapist.

Mountjoy Mugger

Calliope Red Program wrote: »

And how much time would you normally get for mugging?

Bugger all. Rotating doors.

Jayop

Deleted User wrote: »

He broke planning regulations, was told multiple times over numerous years to comply, refused and was sent to jail because of it. I see no problem.

True he should be punished, but IMO with jails already overcrowded and with the huge cost to the tax payer in housing a criminal the prisons should be kept clear for more serious crimes.

I think crimes against the person are much more serious. OK, send the guy to jail for a few days if you want, but in a country where you can rape and get out in four months, six months for this is outrageous.

kneemos

padd b1975 wrote: »

So after serving his jail sentence, does he get to keep the windows??

It's like snakes and ladders,he's fallen down the snake and has to start all over again.

Death and Taxes

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

not for being a rapist, but for putting in wrong windows and not removing them.

Justice - Irish style.

The guy has playing the council for 6 years, he was brought to court 3 years ago, he was given loads of warnings, he got every opportunity to avoid jail, so I have zero sympathy with him.

CdeC

Jayop wrote: »

True he should be punished, but IMO with jails already overcrowded and with the huge cost to the tax payer in housing a criminal the prisons should be kept clear for more serious crimes.

I think crimes against the person are much more serious. OK, send the guy to jail for a few days if you want, but in a country where you can rape and get out in four months, six months for this is outrageous.

Yeah maybe 2 weeks might have been more appropriate,
just a slap on the wrist. 6 months is a bit harsh

snubbleste

Planning laws enforced in Ireland Shocker!!

Fair play to the judge.

Yakult

I'd like to dedicate this one to Mr O'Toole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yndfqN1VKhY

Kev_2012

Jail is very harsh here. Why not simply financially cripple him based on his income until he does remove them?

SafeSurfer

I think this is hilarious. The council is responsible for a man being jailed for a small planning indiscretion in his home. Councils all over the country, zoned thousands of acres of unnecessary land, often in unsuitable places like flood plains, to feed their own greed for development levies. Many councils acted corruptly. Councils failed in their responsibilities to citizens to ensure pyrite was not used in buildings, to enforce fire regulations etc and in many cases they even failed to collect the development charges they levied, with about €350 million outstanding in Dublin alone.

Nobody in the councils have faced any jail time, loss of employment or even loss of pay for this negligence. But the council oversee the jailing of a man for installing dormer instead of velux windows.

Councils truly are the most useless part of state apparatus.

Jayop

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Jail is very harsh here. Why not simply financially cripple him based on his income until he does remove them?

It would have been cheaper to go in and JCB them and for the state to put it back to how it was than to jail him.

I know that's not an option, but just saying like.

swimming in a sea

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

not for being a rapist, but for putting in wrong windows and not removing them.

Justice - Irish style.

Double Glazing salesman must have royally fu*ked him over:mad:

Jayop

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think this is hilarious. The council is responsible for a man being jailed for a small planning indiscretion in his home. Councils all over the country, zoned thousands of acres of unnecessary land, often in unsuitable places like flood plains, to feed their own greed for development levies. Many councils acted corruptly. Councils failed in their responsibilities to citizens to ensure pyrite was not used in buildings, to enforce fire regulations etc and in many cases they even failed to collect the development charges they levied, with about €350 million outstanding in Dublin alone.

Nobody in the councils have faced any jail time, loss of employment or even loss of pay for this negligence. But the council oversee the jailing of a man for installing dormer instead of velux windows.

Councils truly are the most useless part of state apparatus.

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, but surely two wrongs don't make a right. They can't now turn a blind eye to every planning infringement just because of what happened in the past.

Still think the punishment should match the crime though.

gobnaitolunacy

Jail the small scale offender, easy way out as per usual.

testicle

Jayop wrote: »

How that can end up in a Jail term is beyond me. Crazy TBF!

I bet he'll take them out now though.

pickarooney

A depressed widower jailed for six months over Christmas... hope they put him on suicide watch at least. And what about the windows, is someone going to take them down now?

Columbia

Seems like he's been hung out to dry as a warning to others doing similar.

Hopefully it will be overturned quietly, still leaving the message with the public.

kneemos

He'll come out twice as bad and start putting windows in his neighbours houses.

bladespin

testicle wrote: »

I bet he'll take them out now though.

I'd bet he doesn't!

Silly though, how can I raise two kids to respect the law when a rapist gets out after four months and a guy gets six months over windows, no wonder so many don't give a toss anymore.

Fiery mutant

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how skilled some people at taking things completely out of context and twisting stories to make them seem worse than they really are.

What this man is going to jail for is, as I think you know OP, Contempt of Court or refusing to remove the windows and install the correct ones as he was ordered to do.

His putting in the wrong windows is not the problem.

Please get your facts right.

Actually I think you're the one who needs some perspective here. Yes, he is in contempt of court and needs to be punished, but when he gets six months, and d.ickhead Quinn only got 3 months for his contempt of court, it shows something seriously wrong in our society.

This man refused to comply with a court order. Quinn refused to comply with his, and actively tried to deceive the state out of millions.

ssaye

Jayop wrote: »

True he should be punished, but IMO with jails already overcrowded and with the huge cost to the tax payer in housing a criminal the prisons should be kept clear for more serious crimes.

I think crimes against the person are much more serious. OK, send the guy to jail for a few days if you want, but in a country where you can rape and get out in four months, six months for this is outrageous.

Its going to cost apx 32k to keep him in jail for 6 months paid for by the tax payers. €179 per day

http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2

Cheaper to put him in a 4+ star hotel. Joke of a country.

Show Time

Gringo180 wrote: »

Baffling just baffling. The justice system in this country just boils my blood at times.

Welcome to the Banana Republic of Ireland 2012.

AudreyHepburn

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

/scratches head.

In any case, you're ignoring the point that he'll be serving approximately the same length of time incarcerated as a convicted rapist.

I'm ignoring nothing. I am well aware that the laws in this country are messed up.

I was making the point that others seem to ignoring or not understanding what it actually is he is going to jail for.

They seem to think it's for putting in the wrong windows, or they want to think that.

And I was just clarifying that his crime is Contempt of Court....he has broken the law, he should be punished. I see no issue with it.

AudreyHepburn

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Actually I think you're the one who needs some perspective here. Yes, he is in contempt of court and needs to be punished, but when he gets six months, and d.ickhead Quinn only got 3 months for his contempt of court, it shows something seriously wrong in our society.

This man refused to comply with a court order. Quinn refused to comply with his, and actively tried to deceive the state out of millions.

Once again I have not said anything to the affect that the law is fair or that this was reasonable.

I only made the point that it is ridiculous to suggest that his crime was merely putting in the wrong windows, as some here seem keen to believe.

You break the law, you should be punished simple as.

Of course Quinn should be jailed for longer than he is, for the rest of his life if he doesn't co-operate imo. I never said otherwise.

ssaye

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm ignoring nothing. I am well aware that the laws in this country are messed up.

I was making the point that others seem to ignoring or not understanding what it actually is he is going to jail for.

They seem to think it's for putting in the wrong windows, or they want to think that.

And I was just clarifying that his crime is Contempt of Court....he has broken the law, he should be punished. I see no issue with it.

No Issue, surely the sentence should be reasonable. 6 months for contempt on this case is ok for you?

AudreyHepburn

ssaye wrote: »

No Issue, surely the sentence should be reasonable. 6 months for contempt on this case is ok for you?

I suppose it would depend on what is was he refused to do, how long he refused etc.

Possibly six months in this case is a bit much although he did spend years ignoring the courts.

For some-one like Sean Quinn though, which is what people are really taking issue with here, life isn't long enough for the amount of money he has stolen from the taxpayer.

cantdecide

As someone who worked in the window business for long enough, let me tell you that the planning system is a joke. You build a family home on some desolate hillside and they dictate the colour of your letterbox. If you have money, you can have, what we always referred to as an architectural glass box [modern cube style house] in the middle of a sophistocated art deco estate.

gallag

They should have just smashed the windows and saved a fortune. That way they could keep violent sex fiends locked up.

SafeSurfer

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm ignoring nothing. I am well aware that the laws in this country are messed up.

I was making the point that others seem to ignoring or not understanding what it actually is he is going to jail for.

They seem to think it's for putting in the wrong windows, or they want to think that.

And I was just clarifying that his crime is Contempt of Court....he has broken the law, he should be punished. I see no issue with it.

Contempt of court is not a crime.

Tim the Enchanter

And in the meantime this lad is left out for a 2 week holiday.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/rapist-who-made-threat-to-115m-winners-sister-let-out-on-bail-3325651.html

Something wrong somewhere.

AudreyHepburn

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Contempt of court is not a crime.

Then why is Sean Quinn in jail?

frankosw

pickarooney wrote: »

A depressed widower jailed for six months over Christmas... hope they put him on suicide watch at least. And what about the windows, is someone going to take them down now?

Local scrotes have been ordered by the council to put rocks through them...they've decided they have wasted enough time on this issue.


The windows are a terrible eyesore i'm not surprised people complained..another arrogant twat of a builder who thought the planning laws dont apply to him.

SafeSurfer

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Then why is Sean Quinn in jail?

Sean Quinn is in jail by direction of a judge for being in contempt of court. He has not been convicted of a crime, he will not have a criminal record. Contempt of court is not a crime. Sean Quinn could be released from jail if he convinced the judge that he had purged his contempt. People convicted of a crime by a court and sentenced to jail will have a criminal conviction and are unable to secure their release from jail by their own actions.

Both the Quinn case and the 0'Toole case are civil cases.

Boombastic

For the wrong windows??


Meanwhile over on the picturesque shores of Lough Derg Lotto winner's son builds massive shed without planning permission but is allowed to have it retained, one rule for all eh?

corktina

just for my own sake and I don't care if no one reads it...he has been jailed for refusing to do what the Court told him to do...Comtempt of Court is what I would call it. What the Court Order was for is irrelevant.
Mess with the Law and it can and will bite you.

aloyisious

Is putting in dormer windows at the front of houses ok now if they overlook the neighbours opposite, and are his windows overlooking a neighbour? I think it strange that you can put them in at the back of houses overlooking a neighbours housefront but not do similar at the front, given that most upper floors have bedroom windows back and front.

borderbadger

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how skilled some people at taking things completely out of context and twisting stories to make them seem worse than they really are.

What this man is going to jail for is, as I think you know OP, Contempt of Court or refusing to remove the windows and install the correct ones as he was ordered to do.

His putting in the wrong windows is not the problem.

Please get your facts right.

I doubt if anybody is unaware of the facts , However a fact you seem to be unaware of is that in this country politicians and bankers brought it to the edge of penury and have not seen the inside of a courtroom or never will .Its hard to respect a judicial or political system that is so obviously unbalanced or /and corrupt.