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(SIX!) Gardai sent to arrest mother of unpaid fine at 3.30AM

  • 11-12-2012 12:57PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭


    Was this a bit heavy handed by the Gardai?

    Its not like they were going after a murderer, the woman in question had a €250 fine for using her phone whilst driving outstanding.
    SIX gardai called to the home of a mother just before 3am to arrest her and bring her to prison over an unpaid €250 traffic fine.

    The 27-year-old woman has appeared in Limerick District Court where Judge Eugene O'Kelly extended the time to allow her appeal the case. The case arose after the Limerick woman was allegedly caught using a mobile phone while driving in 2010.

    However, she insists she was not aware of the initial fine or proceedings in the District Court last May when she was convicted and fined €250. When the court fine was left unpaid, a penal warrant was subsequently issued and forwarded to gardai.

    The mother, who lives in a halting site in Limerick, spoke after the court sitting on condition of anonymity. Last Wednesday morning, gardai arrived at her home just before 3am. "It was about 2.45am and they knocked at my back door and they had flash lamps and at first I didn't know who it was," she said. "Then when I opened the door, it was the guards –about six of them. "When they walked in, they asked us what our names were because my sister was there as well and my mam was in bed and my baby was in bed.

    "When they came in then, they said, 'There is a warrant for your arrest'. "I asked them for what and they said for a mobile phone," she said. The woman pleaded with the officers not to bring her to prison because of her three-month-old son. She told gardai she would sort it out that week. "I said I was not going up to the prison – no way. "They were fair enough about it, but it was the hour of the morning that was upsetting," she said.

    Last Friday, her solicitor Sarah Ryan made an application in Limerick District Court to extend time to allow an appeal. Granting the application, Judge O'Kelly said he hoped there was some "extraordinary" reason for the gardai attempting to execute the penal warrant at that time of the morning. Insp John Deasy said it was "not the normal practice" and told the court there may have been specific reasons as to why it was done at that time but did not identify what they were.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/six-gardai-sent-to-arrest-mum-for-unpaid-fine-at-3am-3323199.html


    Bit OTT by the Gards, or completely justified?


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Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    She is a traveler living in a halting site, would you go on your lonesome?

    Thought not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    Well as the old saying goes: Don't do the crime if you can't get up at the right time. Or something like that... :cool:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Poor things need all the overtime they can get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    A little over the top alright.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Has to be more to the story than that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭baldshin


    Don't think it should matter what time of day it is when the gardai are dealing with an offence. She should have just paid her fine and avoided all this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    She is a traveler living in a halting site, would you go on your lonesome?

    Thought not.

    I'd imagine the 2.30 am time is related to that too. It seems the women were awake, but there were no men in the house.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭Hurricane Carter


    Given that she's living on a halting site, I reckon the Gardai had a few more numbers in case of an incident. Perhaps the same reason for the time they called...

    ..still..seems a bit excessive for that kind of offence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Halting site. No way in hell the Gardai would arrive onto a halting site in broad daylight to try action an arrest warrant, there'd be murder.

    Seems fair enough to me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    The article says she was allegedly caught using a mobile phone while driving
    So was she caught driving using a phone or not :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    She is a traveler living in a halting site, would you go on your lonesome?

    Thought not.

    Definitely not :eek:

    I would though, as a Garda, prob not go until the law allowed me to.
    3am would be against the law.
    "They (penal warrants) should not be executed after midnight or before 7am,"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Definitely not :eek:
    I would though, as a Garda, prob not go until the law allowed me to.
    3am would be against the law.
    What law :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    seamus wrote: »
    Halting site. No way in hell the Gardai would arrive onto a halting site in broad daylight to try action an arrest warrant, there'd be murder.

    Seems fair enough to me.

    The dead of night would be safer than daylight hours?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I would though, as a Garda, prob not go until the law allowed me to.
    3am would be against the law.
    The judge only said the warrants should be executed between 7am and midnight, not that they must be.
    If the warrant had been illegally executed, the judge would have struck it out and sent her home.
    The dead of night would be safer than daylight hours?
    For a start, they won't see you coming. As mentioned above though, the Gardai clearly knew it would be mostly women and no men that time of the night. So they picked that time purposely.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Halting site. No way in hell the Gardai would arrive onto a halting site in broad daylight to try action an arrest warrant, there'd be murder.
    Or to force an eviction, they usually tell council workers to try it. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    She says herself that the Gardai were fair and friendly... can't really fault them in this case tbh. As for arriving at such an hour of the morning... well they avoided unnecessary confrontation and agro which was the point of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The dead of night would be safer than daylight hours?

    Depends who's around, doesn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭Hurricane Carter


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The dead of night would be safer than daylight hours?

    I think even they sleep at night..sometimes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭petethebrick


    baldshin wrote: »
    Don't think it should matter what time of day it is when the gardai are dealing with an offence. She should have just paid her fine and avoided all this.

    Exactly. I reckon that the guards should mount a pre-christmas operation involving dragging people with unpaid parking tickets out of their beds in the middle of the night and pulling them through the town tied naked to the back of a squad car. It would send the message out that these parking ticket fines need to be paid and bring in some extra cash for the government prior to Christmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    And the scumbags that are responsible for inflicting hardship and poverty on ordinary people for years to come get big fat pensions.

    Good to see we have our priorities right.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    snubbleste wrote: »
    What law :confused:

    They attempted to serve a penal warrant.

    These must be served before midnight, and after seven am.

    The Gards run the risk of these warrants being ripped up if the technicalities aren't right.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 735 ✭✭✭joydivision


    Should the garda be doing this stupid arrest during the day when they are busy ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,262 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Unpaid fine?

    Sure ya can't be doin that!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I stopped reading and lost sympathy at the words "halting site".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭h2005


    magma69 wrote: »
    And the scumbags that are responsible for inflicting hardship and poverty on ordinary people for years to come get big fat pensions.

    Good to see we have our priorities right.
    Is this going to be brought up every time someone is arrested? Its getting a bit tiresome at this stage


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Ghandee wrote: »
    They attempted to serve a penal warrant.
    These must be served before midnight, and after seven am.
    The Gards run the risk of these warrants being ripped up if the technicalities aren't right.
    What law :confused:
    You've stated there is a law. Point it out clearly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    Bit of a misleading title.
    They didn't send 6 guards into a quiet housing estate to drag a woman out of the house over €250.

    They sent 6 to ensure the safety of their personnel given the location the woman lived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭h2005


    seamus wrote: »
    The judge only said the warrants should be executed between 7am and midnight, not that they must be.
    If the warrant had been illegally executed, the judge would have struck it out and sent her home.

    For a start, they won't see you coming. As mentioned above though, the Gardai clearly knew it would be mostly women and no men that time of the night. So they picked that time purposely.
    Why would there be no men there at that time?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Ok, I'm going to ask the obvious question. Why would there be no men at the location at night?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 735 ✭✭✭joydivision


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Ok, I'm going to ask the obvious question. Why would there be no men at the location at night?

    Maybe the gaurds had information the men went out at night doing various night time activities .


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