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Syria rebels unveil cutting-edge homemade tank

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  • #32
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Johro wrote: »
    Bollocks.

    Only to a certain degree tbh.. not all of the 'rebels' are singing from the same hymn-sheet. There are known extremist groups vying for power alongside those who just want rid of Assad and a more free society.


  • #33
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Pottler wrote: »
    Ball ammo. I thought they might use it for low shots. "Armoured" car is crap btw, flat sides and 3/4" plate - made to be gone through. A chap with an RPG would go "oh look, target practice-whoooosssshhhbannnnggg" and the playstation controller would get melted.

    They make tanks out of stuff that is 8"+ thick and an RPG will still penetrate - it detonates on contact and a shaped charge propells a disc of copper in a molten stream through the steel. They incorporate sand and ceramics between the steel of tanks and use small explosive charges attatched to the armour as a defence - the charge explodes when the RPG hits it and it basically "reverses" the stream of molten metal. Even that is no guarantee against the latest anti-armour stuff. A depleted uranium shell would go in the front, out the back and keep going for another few hundred meters, with a few bits of rebel still attached. Even the other rebels must think these lads are luders.

    A 4X4 Isuzu with a set of bullbars would shatter the welding/seams/corners of this 'tank' if it rammed it at even moderate speed.

    Mind you, we did make our own cars like this in the War of Independence, but times have changed.


  • #34
    dorkacle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭dorkacle


    Pottler wrote: »
    Ball ammo. I thought they might use it for low shots. "Armoured" car is crap btw, flat sides and 3/4" plate - made to be gone through. A chap with an RPG would go "oh look, target practice-whoooosssshhhbannnnggg" and the playstation controller would get melted.

    They make tanks out of stuff that is 8"+ thick and an RPG will still penetrate - it detonates on contact and a shaped charge propells a disc of copper in a molten stream through the steel. They incorporate sand and ceramics between the steel of tanks and use small explosive charges attatched to the armour as a defence - the charge explodes when the RPG hits it and it basically "reverses" the stream of molten metal. Even that is no guarantee against the latest anti-armour stuff. A depleted uranium shell would go in the front, out the back and keep going for another few hundred meters, with a few bits of rebel still attached. Even the other rebels must think these lads are luders.


    Would the Syrian army have depleted Uranium shells though...?

    How well equiped is the Syrian Army?
    I'd imagine they at least have RPG's though, sure everyone and their grandmother does at this stage :pac:


  • #35
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    dorkacle wrote: »
    Would the Syrian army have depleted Uranium shells though...?

    How well equiped is the Syrian Army?
    I'd imagine they at least have RPG's though, sure everyone and their grandmother does at this stage :pac:
    They don't need DU shells, a feckin €300 russian rpg would mash it from any angle and they have them. Go any heavier and it would be hard to find bits of the thing. I reckon that driving fast down a bumpy road would do it in anyway. A hosing down with a AK74 would make for a bad day out for everyone inside and a grenade or mine would burst it like a barrel. Take a peek at a MOWAG some time, and they're also fairly crap if you need to play "hide from the man with the rpg". This is to a mowag what a citroen 2cv is to an armoured humvee.

    And best of luck when the gun on the satelitte dish mount goes click and needs feeding fresh bang bangs.- "You go Ahmed" - "No, you go Ishmael, I did it last time" -


  • #36
    Border-Rat
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    dorkacle wrote: »
    Would the Syrian army have depleted Uranium shells though...?

    How well equiped is the Syrian Army?
    I'd imagine they at least have RPG's though, sure everyone and their grandmother does at this stage :pac:

    Better equipped than the Iraqi army was (If something flies in there, it's not coming back out), not as well equipped as the Iranian army.


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  • #37
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Only to a certain degree tbh.. not all of the 'rebels' are singing from the same hymn-sheet. There are known extremist groups vying for power alongside those who just want rid of Assad and a more free society.
    Sure, but talk about sweeping generalisations...


  • #38
    Border-Rat
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    Johro wrote: »
    Bollocks.

    Get a clue. No, seriously, would you?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/christians-a-target-for-syrian-rebels-we-back/story-e6frg6z6-1226494303347

    If you're a Christian in Syria and these nutters get a hold of you, you're up **** creek. I guess no-one wants to listen to Nuns in Syria who are terrified of these savages?

    I love people who beat their chest all week about Islam yet when the Tories and other plutocrats instruct them to back extremist nutters, the obsequiousness kicks in.


  • #39
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Get a clue. No, seriously, would you?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/christians-a-target-for-syrian-rebels-we-back/story-e6frg6z6-1226494303347

    If you're a Christian in Syria and these nutters get a hold of you, you're up **** creek. I guess no-one wants to listen to Nuns in Syria who are terrified of these savages?

    I love people who beat their chest all week about Islam yet when the Tories and other plutocrats instruct them to back extremist nutters, the obsequiousness kicks in.
    Again, I have no love for extremist nutters of any kind, but don't tar all the rebels with the same brush. There are and will always be people who will use any situation to further their own agenda and they are cunts, agreed.


  • #40
    Tomk1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Tomk1


    Can't watch vid as snall internet, but sounds like maybe The A-team or The B-team.
    Though not funny whats going on over there, it's serious, these people are fighting for their life.


  • #41
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Border-Rat wrote: »

    I love people who beat their chest all week about Islam yet when the Tories and other plutocrats instruct them to back extremist nutters, the obsequiousness kicks in.
    Btw, that means nothing to me.


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  • #42
    Tom_Cruise
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    Looks ike it would fly through the NCT


  • #43
    tiger55
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Not a bad effort. I just hope the syrian army don't have armor piercing rounds.

    or AK's lol


  • #44
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Tom_Cruise wrote: »
    Looks ike it would fly through the NCT
    No chance - can't see the wheel nuts.


  • #45
    dttq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭dttq


    My name is URL wrote: »
    It looks pretty indestructible. Apart from the exposed rubber tires like

    Talking big about taking on the Syrian military when a 9 year old with a pocket knife can render your machine of fury out of service. There's something monty pyton about the whole thing.

    Then again would hate the lads to go through all that for nothing. If anyone can get these fellas numbers or emails tell them to me meet me at Kildare Street, Dublin 5pm sharp on Friday. Inform them I'll pay their ferry fair, and wages and the mission itself will be explained at the agreed meeting time..


  • #46
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    It would remind you a little of this mean mother, which (believe it or not) Irish troops would have brought out to the Congo in the 1960s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaC_zbearUE


  • #47
    dttq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭dttq


    GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »
    It would remind you a little of this mean mother, which (believe it or not) Irish troops would have brought out to the Congo in the 1960s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaC_zbearUE

    The Germans wouldn't have stood a chance had they stupidly tried to invade us back then.


  • #48
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    dttq wrote: »
    The Germans wouldn't have stood a chance had they stupidly try to invade us back then.
    That was the 1960s - the Congo. WW2 was the late 30's and even then that yoke was laughable. I love the drivers head poking out, a sharp stick could do him in, let alone a firearm. You sure that's not a clip from Dr Who? was there a trumpet linked to a phonogram playing "exterminate Exterminate"


  • #49
    Johro
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    A similar attempt, from Libya's uprising. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e47_1304608395
    Look at the hardware on some of these Libyan pickup trucks http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=libyan+rebel+pickup+trucks&FORM=HDRSC2


  • #50
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Johro wrote: »
    A similar attempt, from Libya's uprising. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e47_1304608395
    Look at the hardware on some of these Libyan pickup trucks http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=libyan+rebel+pickup+trucks&FORM=HDRSC2
    Lucky they found all those heavy machine guns lying around, wasn't it. Surely some foreign power didn't airlift in thousands of them to encourage the revolt. I bet they've no interest in Libyas oil either. Surely. Any oil in Syria?:pac: Destabilise, de-centralise and drill like fcuk. Way to go it seems.. No-one was too ar5ed about wether they had democracy or not until the price of crude shot up. I suppose priorities do change... Gadaffi must have been one of the only people who checked "Pumpwatch" to see how long he had left to live. Well, apart from Saddam and Armoureddinnerjacket.


  • #51
    Merch
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    Pottler wrote: »
    Lucky they found all those heavy machine guns lying around, wasn't it. Surely some foreign power didn't airlift in thousands of them to encourage the revolt. I bet they've no interest in Libyas oil either. Surely. Any oil in Syria?:pac: Destabilise, de-centralise and drill like fcuk. Way to go it seems.. No-one was too ar5ed about wether they had democracy or not until the price of crude shot up. I suppose priorities do change... Gadaffi must have been one of the only people who checked "Pumpwatch" to see how long he had left to live. Well, apart from Saddam and Armoureddinnerjacket.

    Not saying it was sourced local, but a lot of that stuff is soviet era stuff, maybe came from local armories? aircraft/AA weapons, especially the heli/aviation rocket launchers, looks lethal, to the operator, besides a few recoiless rifles and a couple of MG's mostly soviet era stuff.

    Yes there is oil in Syria, how do I know? apart from the fighting? they are trying to say Assad is a dangerous murdering bstad, must be oil. Next it will be Venezuela, oh they tried that one already.


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  • #52
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    There's a huge difference between proper armour plate and the kind of stuff they're cobbling together, probably out of whatever structural steel they could find.

    As for small arms, one of the first vids on Yootoob

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jEfXDr4xw


  • #53
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Merch wrote: »
    Not saying it was sourced local, but a lot of that stuff is soviet era stuff, maybe came from local armories? aircraft/AA weapons, especially the heli/aviation rocket launchers, looks lethal, to the operator, besides a few recoiless rifles and a couple of MG's mostly soviet era stuff.

    Yes there is oil in Syria, how do I know? apart from the fighting? they are trying to say Assad is a dangerous murdering bstad, must be oil. Next it will be Venezuela, oh they tried that one already.
    "Hullo, yes, this is the CIA, we'd like to buy a load of ex-soviet heavies. The delivery address? Yes, that'll be direct to Tripoli please, no, no we don't want a return address label put on, thanks."


  • #54
    Run_to_da_hills
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    One would think that with all the backing that the US Government provides to these Syrian terrorists that they could afford to build something a bit better.

    It reminds me of this home made Iraq helicopter.


  • #55
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    "Salams helicopter looks sketchy as fcuk":D I read that in a BBC reporters voice and it kinda jarred a bit.


  • #56
    mickgotsick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭mickgotsick


    I wonder does it have WiFi.


  • #57
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Merch wrote: »
    Not cutting edge, not a tank.

    Its a very lightly armoured, armoured car.

    It wouldnt stand a chance against armour piercing rounds, let alone an RPG.
    It may not even be of any protection against ball ammunition.

    It'll easily stand up to 5.56. Probably 7.62. But nothing bigger.

    Not bad for something rigged up in the back of a garage somewhere while trying to be secretive about it.

    I don't think they are pneumatic tyres, they'd still get ripped to shreds, but one round wouldn't take them out.

    If it encounters a squad of regular Syrian dismounted infantry who have no support equipment it could win.


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