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Pat Rabitte On The Week In Politics

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  • #32
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    I cant wait for FF to be re-elected as a minority partner in the next coalition.

    It will confirm my belief that irish people are morons


  • #33
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »

    cant wait to see the papers in the morning

    Pat slips on poll ? Windy politicain causes big stinker? Rabbite Rabble Rabble ?


  • #34
    dickwod1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭dickwod1


    FionnMcCool87 wrote: »
    How can you see what someone says?

    Watch the tv?


  • #35
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    wun wabbite wun




  • #36
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Avah Short Pellet wrote: »
    A politican telling the truth about telling lies!.

    I'd like to say Labour are f*cked after this term but with the rise in support for FF who f'king knows with idiots in this country.
    Dont understand what your saying. Can you clarify?


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  • #37
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    Dont understand what your saying. Can you clarify?


    The lesser of 2 evils....as in who is.....;)


  • #38
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    Gbear wrote: »
    Even the parties that don't exist yet are going to do this. If this is enough to put you off Labour I wouldn't bother voting in general elections again.

    It's scant consolation that FF or FG would just try to bull**** their way around the point and certainly shouldn't encourage you to vote for them instead.
    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    The big problem is who do we elect in the next general? Sinn Fein would be dumbfounded in a position of power because they wouldnt know what to do, FF would be delighted that managed to pull the wool over the nations eyes again and FG/Labour would be enjoying their big fat pensions...they really are all as bad as each other and we arent even in control of our own finances here (hello Germany) so seriously, who will save us...Mick Wallace??

    Im not sure they would be dumbfounded, I voted Lab and a host of others
    and i didnt give FF one vote, wouldnt but not for one miilisecond did I believe that FG would be any different.
    Now, I think the time is for anyone else, as all Lab and in particular FF and FG have said about SF is oh you cant vote for them rabble rabble rabble, why? because it affects their political dynasty monopoly, jesus lads its time for a change.
    At this stage I dont think anyone could do any worse than FF and FG have or their hanger ons, Lab or greens.
    SF have asked some rally good questions and I think the labelling of them by FG and FF is undemocratic.
    Not because I am some ardent SF fan or want them in or a united Ireland or any of that shyte, because I think they believe in something, not Like Kenny et al, bunch of robbing bstards

    Look the politicians just laugh and joke and its all for show, they are mostly best buds and anyone that comes in and tries to change is rocking the boat and they wont have that.

    They dont even do the work, they have the civil service and hired in experts for gods sake, they just babble on and waste time while people are on trolleys in hospitals or not getting treated as they haven't got the balls to do what is necessary, because if you rock the boat, you wont get along and if you dont get along you wont go far and then you wont get a nice big fat pension.
    You dont want to be the one that ended your family dynasty now,

    There must be some kind of mad logic,
    something goes wrong and it keeps happening, so we keep doing what we are doing. Are we thick as a country?

    Ive no doubt there are good individual politicians in the large parties, but towing the line for the party to me, is unpatriotic.
    Self serving gob****es.


  • #39
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    the groutch wrote: »
    Has he no shame? :rolleyes:
    Look; Rabitte is one of the better ones, no doubt in my mind about that.

    he gave a quip - one close to the bone. naughty, but i'll forgive it.


    the first question one need ask oneself re: politicians is this.

    Is this guy/ girl in politics primarily to benefit themselves or to benefit the country?

    That's it. Competence etc are important seconds, but that's the first.


    As for the burrower, my strong opinion is that he's primarily in politics to benefit the country.


  • #40
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    paddy147 wrote: »
    The lesser of 2 evils....as in who is.....;)
    yes, but which is? is he saying FF are? or people will think FF are?


  • #41
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    Look; Rabitte is one of the better ones, no doubt in my mind about that.

    As for the burrower, my strong opinion is that he's primarily in politics to benefit the country.

    I thought he was, but he is saying things that concern me and the way he says it, its like he has disdain for the people that are struggling.
    For Gods sake, he's Labour, did they put a gun to his head? or wave something under his nose?


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  • #42
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Merch wrote: »
    Im not sure they would be dumbfounded, I voted Lab and a host of others
    and i didnt give FF one vote, wouldnt but not for one miilisecond did I believe that FG would be any different.
    Now, I think the time is for anyone else, as all Lab and in particular FF and FG have said about SF is oh you cant vote for them rabble rabble rabble, why? because it affects their political dynasty monopoly, jesus lads its time for a change.
    At this stage I dont think anyone could do any worse than FF and FG have or their hanger ons, Lab or greens.
    SF have asked some rally good questions and I think the labelling of them by FG and FF is undemocratic.
    Not because I am some ardent SF fan or want them in or a united Ireland or any of that shyte, because I think they believe in something, not Like Kenny et al, bunch of robbing bstards

    Look the politicians just laugh and joke and its all for show, they are mostly best buds and anyone that comes in and tries to change is rocking the boat and they wont have that.

    They dont even do the work, they have the civil service and hired in experts for gods sake, they just babble on and waste time while people are on trolleys in hospitals or not getting treated as they haven't got the balls to do what is necessary, because if you rock the boat, you wont get along and if you dont get along you wont go far and then you wont get a nice big fat pension.
    You dont want to be the one that ended your family dynasty now,

    There must be some kind of mad logic,
    something goes wrong and it keeps happening, so we keep doing what we are doing. Are we thick as a country?

    Ive no doubt there are good individual politicians in the large parties, but towing the line for the party to me, is unpatriotic.
    Self serving gob****es.


    Yea, free ink cartridges for all.


  • #43
    Tony Soprano.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 298 ✭✭Tony Soprano.


    A guy was recently imprisoned for throwing a Pet Rabbit into the Liffey.

    Just a shame he didn't throw a Pat Rabbite into the Liffey.


  • #44
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Merch wrote: »
    I thought he was, but he is saying things that concern me and the way he says it, its like he has disdain for the people that are struggling.
    For Gods sake, he's Labour, did they put a gun to his head? or wave something under his nose?
    Rabitte came from that world and still lives in it.

    The thing with him is that his controls his emotions, but then on occasion, he throws out a cynical barb - an ironic statement - he exaggerates something to absurdity, or summarizes an impossible situation into a throw-away remark. It's annoying for sure, but it's not a reflection of his true beliefs. I'm saying this as someone who's watched him closely (on tv) for 15 years.

    this comment can be interpreted as uncaring, but i know in my bones, it's the opposite. It's frustration.


    Having said that, Labour should have stood firm against such an non-progressive cut, and insisted child benefit was excluded, or taxed at the highest possible rate (so only the rich dont get it)


  • #45
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Tony Soprano. wrote: »
    A guy was recently imprisoned for throwing a Pet Rabbit into the Liffey.

    Just a shame he didn't throw a Pat Rabbite into the Liffey.
    Ayyyy. Toni. Ayyyy. ease up a little. capiche?


  • #46
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Labour campaigners called to my house a few years back, giving me spiel about how he'd bring work for us young people.

    I asked how, they gave me utter waffle about how he'll try hard and whatnot. I said I was unemployed at the time and that finding IT work in my field in the west of the country was difficult to which they said in a smarmy voice:

    "Computers? Sure, isn't there loads of jobs for that?"

    Indeed.


  • #47
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Pat smells blood. Eamonns blood. :D

    Pat wants to be Tánaiste and this is his last chance. He merely served notice that he will take that chance..


  • #48
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Labour campaigners called to my house a few years back, giving me spiel about how he'd bring work for us young people.

    I asked how, they gave me utter waffle about how he'll try hard and whatnot. I said I was unemployed at the time and that finding IT work in my field in the west of the country was difficult to which they said in a smarmy voice:

    "Computers? Sure, isn't there loads of jobs for that?"

    Indeed.
    Dem damned Labour tech job savvy gits!


    or something.


  • #49
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Pat smells blood. Eamonns blood. :D

    Pat wants to be Tánaiste and this is his last chance. He merely served notice that he will take that chance..
    Nah. He was Labour leader. doubt that. very much.


  • #50
    Tony Soprano.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 298 ✭✭Tony Soprano.


    Gotta love this country alright.

    Started a thread on After Hours last night on this very topic, and it was shut down within six minutes by the ego-power-trip maniacs.

    Surely moderating a forum is about controlling abuse etc. Why would you want to control what people want to discuss? If a thread is unpopular then it will just disappear. You have to laugh.


  • #51
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    Nah. He was Labour leader. doubt that. very much.

    He wouldnt have been Labour leader if he DIDN'T want to be Tánaiste...surely. :D

    Pat is obviously sending out feelers for a heave against Gilmore with disloyal talk like that piece on the Week tonight.


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  • #52
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    He wouldnt have been Labour leader if he DIDN'T want to be Tánaiste...surely. :D

    Pat is obviously sending out feelers for a heave against Gilmore with disloyal talk like that piece on the Week tonight.
    Obviously, If he didn't not do the thing, then he wouldn't not to it. again. and stuff.

    lol.

    anyway. nite, bed time.


  • #53
    Furious_George
    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Furious_George


    Reminds me of the wikileaks report that Eamonn Gilmore was publicly opposing a second lisbon treaty because it was "politically necessary" but privately backing it.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/wikileaks/gilmore-took-opposing-views-in-public-and-in-private-2662663.html

    Is it too much to ask for honesty one way or the other?. Don't oppose policy just because you are in opposition and then as soon as you get into power put the exact same policy in place. Why can't they just spell out their positions and let the voters decide who they want. So disillusioned with the all political parties in Ireland.


  • #54
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Yea, free ink cartridges for all.

    Yeh you're right some dopes, they should have gotten a laser printer
    Im not a SF supporter, I was a Lab supporter, that ink DEBACLE was silly but it pales in comparison to what FF/FG are capable of and have been up to.

    You cant step on the family Dynastys' toes, thats not undemocratic now is it? do you think, or they will use any trick in the book to tarnish your name or party reputation.

    Look, the idea is floated, "oh sure we cant have the likes of them in power" or even the "well were not as bad as them, no matter how bad we are"
    The idea that some other party might not be as able no matter how bad FF/FG is.
    How much less of a clue would it take to fcuk this country up anymore?
    Politicians dont do the work, why do you think it keeps ticking over when they go on holiday?


  • #55
    Greentopia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    I'm a bit surprised Pat Rabitte would come out with a remark like that. He's one of the few (very few) politicians who I actually had a modicum of respect for up til now-Roisin Shorthall would be another, but we all know where her principles landed her :rolleyes:

    I'm through with Labour anyway. They got my vote in the last election but never again. They've shown they have no backbone and to call themselves a Social Democratic party of the left is a joke given how much they've supported FG's austerity measures.

    Representative democracy in this country is a sham. There is no party that I would in all conscience now feel happy to vote for (leaving aside the fact that I support many Anarchist/Libertarian Socialist principles of organising society anyway).

    Sinn Fein-never in a million years given their past, FF-I'd rather saw my arm off with a rusty knife than put a tick next to any of their candidates on a ballot paper. FG-no way as I'm on the left. The only Independent I would countenance voting for if he wasn't on the right would be Stephen Donnelly. At least he's smart and articulates his position clearly.

    My response is going to be to ignore the lot of them come the next election. There's nothing more most politicians would fear than to be ignored at election time.
    It's all a farce anyway-"the rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us and we keep pretending to believe them." Elena Gorokhova

    I'm not playing that game any more.


  • #56
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    Greentopia wrote: »
    I'm a bit surprised Pat Rabitte would come out with a remark like that. He's one of the few (very few) politicians who I actually had a modicum of respect for up til now-Roisin Shorthall would be another, but we all know where her principles landed her :rolleyes:

    I'm through with Labour anyway. They got my vote in the last election but never again. They've shown they have no backbone and to call themselves a Social Democratic party of the left is a joke given how much they've supported FG's austerity measures.

    Representative democracy in this country is a sham. There is no party that I would in all conscience now feel happy to vote for (leaving aside the fact that I support many Anarchist/Libertarian Socialist principles of organising society anyway).

    Sinn Fein-never in a million years given their past, FF-I'd rather saw my arm off with a rusty knife than put a tick next to any of their candidates on a ballot paper. FG-no way as I'm on the left. The only Independent I would countenance voting for if he wasn't on the right would be Stephen Donnelly. At least he's smart and articulates his position clearly.

    My response is going to be to ignore the lot of them come the next election. There's nothing more most politicians would fear than to be ignored at election time.
    It's all a farce anyway-"the rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us and we keep pretending to believe them." Elena Gorokhova

    I'm not playing that game any more.

    I agree, democracy in this country is a sham, but to rule out aparty based on their past, I was a labour voter too, but I am sickened by them now.
    SF are the only party I have heard where at least the opinion was voiced that the sytem is broken and it can only be fixed from the inside, when i heard that, I consider that at least to be worthy sentiment/statement. FF/FG and Lab have done nothing but line their own pockets (Gilmores wife selling land was it, my memory is bad but I never heard about that till after the election).
    At least Sf use their funds/wages to drive the party forward, i cant see much personal greed being tolerated there.
    At least dispose of your vote and use it to vote for an independant and give preferences to independants too, research who is up for an election and even see who wont win, a vote for someone else is a vote against FF/FG hegemony.
    (I am deeply dissapointed with labour and the greens before them, I actually think the greens could have done some good but they undermined themselves and had stupid attention seeking efforts that were annoying compared to the reality)
    Anything that brings an end to the family dynasty approach of FF/FG quicker than the better.
    I heard it mentioned two elections back, ah shure you have to vote for someone, and the persons answer to that was "no I dont have to vote for anyone" there were posters up to support anarchism and in ways i agree they have a right to ignore, but that falls into he hands of FF/FG.

    A vote for someone else is vote against them.
    A load of independants that cant form a govt to me is better than allowing FF/FG spin it to say the voters are apathetic, they dont care, they didnt even vote for anyone else.
    I'd like to say if FF/FG/Lab/Greens ever get in again, Id leave the country but that isn't feasible for me.
    Anyone else other then those that have perpetuated and benefited from the current system, where it goes on and on and they just sit back and get paid, anyone else is a better option.
    If I was eloquent enough or a people person id do it myself, but i know I dont have those qualities or the backing of anyone in the know.
    And anyone that tries is cut down by the public, its a joke.


  • #57
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Can you post the context OP?

    As in, the question asked, and then the sentences before and after the one quoted.


  • #58
    lugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Dave! wrote: »
    Can you post the context OP?

    As in, the question asked, and then the sentences before and after the one quoted.
    About 13 minutes in on RTE player.

    I think he has given himself an "out" if it a storm blows up. He will argue that his quip of "that's what you do during elections" referred to keeping the message simple and not to telling porkies.


  • #59
    paddy147
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    I wouldnt rule out Roisin Shorthall taking on Mr Gilmore in the near future....with regards Labour and where they are heading/going


  • #60
    washiskin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭washiskin


    For some reason Labour always wheel out this pompous man when they think his "pithy" come backs will crush the opposition rep while glossing over the fact that FG/Lab are making it up as they go along.


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  • #61
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    admitting to lying in the fashion he did is just the hight of disrespect. These fu5king politicians need to understand that we are their employers and we can hire and fire them as we want!


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