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redzerologhlen · 09-12-2012 12:13AM

whelan1 wrote: »

no idea. rang gun club and sheep owner... i did my duty. i am fed up of anytime i start a thread on the hunting forum to ask an innocent question it gets closed

Not to question the moderation or attitude of the posters on the hunting forum but you are as well off to stay away from it, I learned this the hard way like you when they started talking about shooting ''mad'' cows. Its easier to just avoid the forum altogether because things normally end up boiling over into an argument.

Username John · 09-12-2012 12:20AM

micky mouse wrote: »

"those there sheep are hard to mind "not that hard to mind if you put up a good fence. These people that cannot control their f...... dogs are the problem .Had a number of attacks on mine over the years.Between killed and having to be put down,not nice ,not nice at all.And then have to listen to "not my dog sure he would not hurt a fly":mad:

Agree with you 100%
Know myself from bitter experience...

Manoffeeling · 09-12-2012 12:21AM

I always find it hard to warm to people who take pleasure from shooting animals as a passtime. No issues with hunting to eat the kill, but pleasure, no.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 09-12-2012 12:48AM

In october in calf heifers were running like hell around the field, so went to check on them.
Couldnt see a thing that set them off so waited a while with them to calm them down.

Anyway just as I was leaving I saw two guys with dogs doing their best to avoid me (they obviously clocked me before I did) they swiftly made their way over the bounds ditch into the neighbours.

Caught up with them and explained that the lands were preserved and that I had in calf heifers close to calving. Also let them know that the local gun club knew that the land was preserved.

Their only response was 'we were only hunting rabbit' and carried on not giving two s**ts

freedominacup · 09-12-2012 07:00AM

simx wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek: some difference towards what ive seen recently
anyone see any fr cull cows selling resonable enough?

Where's Carnew?

I have a few culls I was going to fatten.

freedominacup · 09-12-2012 07:09AM

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Not to question the moderation or attitude of the posters on the hunting forum but you are as well off to stay away from it, I learned this the hard way like you when they started talking about shooting ''mad'' cows. Its easier to just avoid the forum altogether because things normally end up boiling over into an argument.

Nah mate just give the rest of us a shout next time you're going down there and we'll give you a hand. Couple of heineken bottles in the pockets and anyone who wants some can have it. We'll let whelan1 throw the first dig and then we'll all pile in.:D

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 07:57AM

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Not to question the moderation or attitude of the posters on the hunting forum but you are as well off to stay away from it, I learned this the hard way like you when they started talking about shooting ''mad'' cows. Its easier to just avoid the forum altogether because things normally end up boiling over into an argument.

it seems to be a very strange forum that landowners can not ask a simple question....

hugo29 · 09-12-2012 10:45AM

Took the plunge last night and bought the charlaois bull,Ada bull from indurain cow serious animal,

Can anyone tell me how to get the kids to do what their told, roll on bed time

1chippy · 09-12-2012 10:58AM

hugo29 wrote: »

Took the plunge last night and bought the charlaois bull,Ada bull from indurain cow serious animal,

Can anyone tell me how to get the kids to do what their told, roll on bed time

A big stick and an understanding community welfare officer, will work on the bull too, best of luck with him

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 11:06AM

hugo29 wrote: »

Took the plunge last night and bought the charlaois bull,Ada bull from indurain cow serious animal,

Can anyone tell me how to get the kids to do what their told, roll on bed time

good luck with the bull.....came in from milking yesterday to wotld war 3, 2 youngest having a row over the decorating of the christmas tree, felt like walking straight back out

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 09-12-2012 11:31AM

hugo29 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how to get the kids to do what their told, roll on bed time

Although these days the kids may be able to sue you :pac:

pakalasa · 09-12-2012 12:20PM

Manoffeeling wrote: »

I always find it hard to warm to people who take pleasure from shooting animals as a passtime. No issues with hunting to eat the kill, but pleasure, no.

I suppose it's at odds with what we do as farmers, looking after livestock and all that. Having to put down an animal is not something we enjoy either.

Bodacious · 09-12-2012 12:42PM

Manoffeeling wrote: »

I always find it hard to warm to people who take pleasure from shooting animals as a passtime. No issues with hunting to eat the kill, but pleasure, no.

+1

Only got gun and licence in last month... Vermin and dogs if necessary ... Land is full of pheasant (too easy to kill) and woodcock but I've no interest in killing anything unless i or a family member /neighbour will eat it!

I don't have sheep and have often watched the young fox cubs playing so I don't have a horn for killing them either but if I get sheep in future all that will change if I lose lambs

I love duck to eat so I'd probably pop a duck alright and clean it/ cook it

rancher · 09-12-2012 12:46PM

whelan1 wrote: »

it seems to be a very strange forum that landowners can not ask a simple question....

Just after reading that forum.....you went hard on the gun club considering you couldn't prove who owned the dog!!!!!!! I had the same problem, but I just had to be patient and watch the field until I saw the dog and got to identify the owner, I tell you it didn't happen again.

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 01:02PM

rancher wrote: »

Just after reading that forum.....you went hard on the gun club considering you couldn't prove who owned the dog!!!!!!! I had the same problem, but I just had to be patient and watch the field until I saw the dog and got to identify the owner, I tell you it didn't happen again.

but how is the normal farmer supposed to know who owns what dog, have enough to be doing without knowing who owns what.... the gun club has a rule if there are sheep on land you do not go in

mf240 · 09-12-2012 01:10PM

whelan1 wrote: »

but how is the normal farmer supposed to know who owns what dog, have enough to be doing without knowing who owns what.... the gun club has a rule if there are sheep on land you do not go in

Now whelan im on your side here and I dont allow anybody on my land to hunt.

But the gun club cant be held responsible if this dogs owner doesnt belong to it.

He may have been kicked out of it for acting the pr1ck before.

bob charles · 09-12-2012 01:12PM

whelan1 wrote: »

but how is the normal farmer supposed to know who owns what dog, have enough to be doing without knowing who owns what.... the gun club has a rule if there are sheep on land you do not go in

when you have a riffle for dealing with dogs etc stock worrying you usually find the owner pretty quickly

Manoffeeling · 09-12-2012 01:16PM

pakalasa wrote: »

I suppose it's at odds with what we do as farmers, looking after livestock and all that. Having to put down an animal is not something we enjoy either.

Are you comparing putting a cow down to shooting wild animals for pleasure? Please tell me that you can see a difference.

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 01:17PM

thanks lads, will just hope the dog doesnt enter our land again... have been on to gun club and let them know what i think

Suckler · 09-12-2012 01:23PM

whelan1 wrote: »

... have been on to gun club and let them know what i think

Why? If the dog is nothing to do with the the gun club whats the point in going after them?

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 01:25PM

Suckler wrote: »

Why? If the dog is nothing to do with the the gun club whats the point in going after them?

to ask if the dog belonged to any of their members or if they knew who owned

rancher · 09-12-2012 01:31PM

whelan1 wrote: »

but how is the normal farmer supposed to know who owns what dog, have enough to be doing without knowing who owns what.... the gun club has a rule if there are sheep on land you do not go in

Plenty of big red dogs are kept as pets, don't belong to shooters at all....have to be realistic, this problem has escalated since the start of celtic tiger years as urban dwellers who haven't a clue about the countryside have moved out into the country and are letting their pets go everywhere, cats, dogs, and believe it or not ...hens
I've said it here before that every farmer should be reporting stray dogs, too many people going out in the morning for the day leaving the house empty and the dogs out and local farmers are aware of it and don't report them because they don't have sheep.
end of rant

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 01:57PM

rancher wrote: »

Plenty of big red dogs are kept as pets, don't belong to shooters at all....have to be realistic, this problem has escalated since the start of celtic tiger years as urban dwellers who haven't a clue about the countryside have moved out into the country and are letting their pets go everywhere, cats, dogs, and believe it or not ...hens
I've said it here before that every farmer should be reporting stray dogs, too many people going out in the morning for the day leaving the house empty and the dogs out and local farmers are aware of it and don't report them because they don't have sheep.
end of rant

yipee for once we agree:D

Suckler · 09-12-2012 02:23PM

whelan1 wrote: »

to ask if the dog belonged to any of their members or if they knew who owned

Did you ask or did you let them know what you thought, there's a big difference.

rancher wrote: »

this problem has escalated since the start of celtic tiger years as urban dwellers who haven't a clue about the countryside have moved out into the country and are letting their pets go everywhere

This was a problem long before "Urban Dwellers" moved out to the countryside. They are just an easier group to point the finger at.

whelan1 · 09-12-2012 02:25PM

i asked them did they know who owned the dog, i said it wasnt good to be seeing dogs after the sheep, didnt loose my cool just let them know that straying dogs should not be near sheep

td5man · 09-12-2012 02:26PM

whelan1 wrote: »

to ask if the dog belonged to any of their members or if they knew who owned

They'd probably deny it was one of theres,thats what they did when someone shot at my 8 year old.

freedominacup · 09-12-2012 02:36PM

Despite what I posted about the hunting thread we have a very good relationship with the local gun club. They are always available for pest control be that around the yard or in the corn a sowing and near harvest, in return they have fairly free rain to hunt over our land in season. They release a couple of hundred phesants every year across all of the land where they have agreements like the one with us. We've never had a bother with straying dogs from the gun club at any rate. Funny thing is many of the members if not a majority aren't from the country at all but they have good respect for the agreement and respect for the landowners wishes.

One of the local hunts on the other hand are a complete bunch of ***** they approached us again through a memeber we knew well to allow them to hunt our ground a couple of years ago. We agreed because of who was asking but asked that they not hunt near or through the yard. Got a call to say they might be hunting near us in the next few days, no bother work away. Feeding out a couple of days later and suddenly every animal in the shed went mad, the whole f**king hunt dogs, horses, followers trotting through the yard. I enquired what they thought they were doing, we were only...... was the beginning of the reply,I directed them to the road by the shortest route and told them not to bother making any more calls. I was told since that the same crowd have more wire snips than whips amongst the riders. This was by a guy who hunts with them occasionally and who pulled up one of the organisers of the hunt as he was about to cut boundary wires on his brothers farm depite the fact there was a "hunting cut" in the ditch 60 yards away specifically for the hunt and where no fences needed to be interfered with.

Bizzum · 09-12-2012 03:08PM

No doubt there is a dog problem in this country. Here's an idea: Compulsory microchipping of all dogs linked into a Dept of Ag system similar to CMMS. Every dog then is traceable and the registered owner accountable for the dogs actions. The Dept of Ag has shown us they can implement such a system, so why not have them at it?
The current system is poor and badly enforced, and even if you catch a dog in the act the "owner" may deny ownership, the dog may or may not be chipped, the chip may or may not be registered to the owner etc., and we as farmers are left carrying the can.
I know there are limitations to what I'm saying, but it's a hell of a lot better than what's currently happening.

Bizzum · 09-12-2012 03:09PM

td5man wrote: »

They'd probably deny it was one of theres,thats what they did when someone shot at my 8 year old.

What happened:eek:?

td5man · 09-12-2012 04:02PM

Bizzum wrote: »

What happened:eek:?

He was running behind a hedge to open a gate two lads in the next field saw something behind the hedge and fired.
He said there was a flash and the grass lay down and stuff started to land all round him.
The two lads disappeared fairly lively and the gun club said none of their lads where in the area that day despite the description
matching two of them.

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